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I'd guess so.

For my two bits, I have 40 odd 28mm models to paint, and a hundred other damn things on my table. Adding more won't do anything for me at the moment, and I'd rather seem them take their time and produce the highest quality possible product.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'd guess so.

For my two bits, I have 40 odd 28mm models to paint, and a hundred other damn things on my table. Adding more won't do anything for me at the moment, and I'd rather seem them take their time and produce the highest quality possible product.

Did you get the feeling they were rushing themselves, upon until this point?

I'm in for one of the Early Bird Captain pledges, and honestly, whenever the models are ready is when I'll start getting anxious to have them.

Until then, I have over 200 or so 20mm WWII infantry and a couple dozen 1/72 tanks to work on, as well as a pile of 28mm Reaper BONES and Zombicide figs to get to.

~iPaint

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I dropped $1600 and really not even bothered by any delays so far... my guard are waiting patiently and I've been going on a Ork conversion spurge in the meantime.

Ooooh...lucky. I wish I'd had that kind of money free during the KS. I'm still sitting calmly on the whole thing. Not only do I have a metric buttload of models to paint, (including my Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Ultramarines, Salamanders, Tau, Dark Eldar, and Necromunda armies) but I also need to save up the scratch to get a killer paintjob on the models when I finally get them.

Well the facebook feed had something new today (unless I missed it)



check out that 'fro,

and it looks pretty poseable for a metal (although no doubt many will not like it for that very reason)

Looks good to me.

When was the first wave supposed to go out again? Dare I say they might make their date?

I thought people mentioned it was last September....

Nah, not that one, didn't mention a new date for this whole wreck?

Well they mentionned March as the completion date for *everything*. We can give them some leeway because they overpromised at the end with those she-wolves and jetgirls and trikes an'stuff.

But yeah, I still smart about that missed September deadline. So does my co-pledger. Constantly. Every week.

Thankfully I keep forgetting about this whole thing.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I'd guess so.

For my two bits, I have 40 odd 28mm models to paint, and a hundred other damn things on my table. Adding more won't do anything for me at the moment, and I'd rather seem them take their time and produce the highest quality possible product.

Did you get the feeling they were rushing themselves, upon until this point?

Hahah. Hardly. I'm just saying I'm fine waiting till I can get all my crap at once.

Well, with a bit of luck the guard codex will arrive first, so I can have a look if I have to change my pledge or it can stay the same

I don't think I would complain too hard if the release got delayed long enough that we could look at the new 'dex before we had to fill out our pledges.

Isn't the first wave just a few metals though? No whatever they're cast in boxes of five troops?

 BrookM wrote:
Isn't the first wave just a few metals though? No whatever they're cast in boxes of five troops?

So it appears from that last list they posted. Considering that we're coming up on six months behind schedule, they should just talk to Wargames Factory or whoever to see if they can get some good, cheap plastic made to bulk out their overpriced, untrustworthy restic.

No, I think the troops are first wave.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Isn't the first wave just a few metals though? No whatever they're cast in boxes of five troops?

So it appears from that last list they posted. Considering that we're coming up on six months behind schedule, they should just talk to Wargames Factory or whoever to see if they can get some good, cheap plastic made to bulk out their overpriced, untrustworthy restic.

Doesn't it seem a little disingenuous to call a product 'untrustworthy' when we haven't seen any of it yet? Unless by untrustworthy you mean that you doubt it will ever appear, rather than just doubting the quality.

 Jimsolo wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
So it appears from that last list they posted. Considering that we're coming up on six months behind schedule, they should just talk to Wargames Factory or whoever to see if they can get some good, cheap plastic made to bulk out their overpriced, untrustworthy restic.

Doesn't it seem a little disingenuous to call a product 'untrustworthy' when we haven't seen any of it yet? Unless by untrustworthy you mean that you doubt it will ever appear, rather than just doubting the quality.

Look at the precedent. How many times have we seen a manufacturer tout some form of restic as the next best thing? How many times has the result been mediocre to crap? HIPS is trustworthy, in that it takes staggering incompetence from the likes of Mantic or Defiance to screw it up. HIPS doesn't warp. HIPS doesn't have air bubbles. HIPS doesn't collapse under its own weight. HIPS isn't torn off the sprues by some sweatshop worker. HIPS rewards high volume, low cost pricing.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
So it appears from that last list they posted. Considering that we're coming up on six months behind schedule, they should just talk to Wargames Factory or whoever to see if they can get some good, cheap plastic made to bulk out their overpriced, untrustworthy restic.

Doesn't it seem a little disingenuous to call a product 'untrustworthy' when we haven't seen any of it yet? Unless by untrustworthy you mean that you doubt it will ever appear, rather than just doubting the quality.

Look at the precedent. How many times have we seen a manufacturer tout some form of restic as the next best thing? How many times has the result been mediocre to crap? HIPS is trustworthy, in that it takes staggering incompetence from the likes of Mantic or Defiance to screw it up. HIPS doesn't warp. HIPS doesn't have air bubbles. HIPS doesn't collapse under its own weight. HIPS isn't torn off the sprues by some sweatshop worker. HIPS rewards high volume, low cost pricing.

Again, though, even in the best of cases, I've yet to see HIPS ever produce the kind of intricate detail we're looking at in these minis. Raging Heroes has a proven track record of lateness producing quality models. Even if the medium is inherently untrustworthy, I'm still willing to trust them until they give me reason not to. (Trust them in regards to production quality, that is.)

You've said more than a few times how awful 'restic' is, but you were the first person I've ever heard use the term. (In this thread, even.) And when it came up earlier, there seemed to be a whole lot of confusion over what 'restic' was, what it wasn't, which mini lines had or hadn't used 'restic' in the past, and whether or not the Raging Heroes minis were even going to be 'restic.'

I guess if it winds up being Finecast all over again, you can laugh at me and give me a big 'I stated thusly.'

 Jimsolo wrote:
You've said more than a few times how awful 'restic' is, but you were the first person I've ever heard use the term. (In this thread, even.) And when it came up earlier, there seemed to be a whole lot of confusion over what 'restic' was, what it wasn't, which mini lines had or hadn't used 'restic' in the past, and whether or not the Raging Heroes minis were even going to be 'restic.'

"Restic" is the term I use for any of the myriad materials that aren't epoxy resin, HIPS or metal that every manufacturer and their dog invented that supposedly offered the best of both worlds - Finecast, Warcast, Trollcast, sprueless plastic, etc. Here, the characters are meant to be metal while the rank and file are restic.

Ah, I see! So it isn't all the same thing. I gotcha now.

I can definitely agree that Finecast was a less than optimal product line, and I've seen some other products that would fit into the 'restic' category that have indeed sucked the big one. Still, Raging Heroes says that they have a winning system, and I'm willing to at least give it a try before condemning it.

I've never owned resin pieces for any extended length of time. A lot of my plastic models have 'eroded' over time, and loss some of the fine details (the few that had really fine details) from handling and general wear-and-tear. Is normal resin more or less prone to this?

Well, if you keep leaving your models out in sandstorms, erosion is pretty much inevitable.

My epoxy resin models don't tend to break as often as some of my HIPS models, but that's only because I keep them in metaphorical bubble wrap. Thin pieces of resin tend to disappear if you handle them much.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Again, though, even in the best of cases, I've yet to see HIPS ever produce the kind of intricate detail we're looking at in these minis.

Kingdom Death will be putting that statement to the test.

Kingdom Death is going to pull it off, sure as sure.

Kingdom Death is actually going to make models worth buying? I've got as much faith in that as Alex does in restic. Anyone got a link to this new stuff? Or is it just the same puerile 'I-scanned-an-old-copy-of-Heavy-Metal-magazine-into-a-3D-printer' stuff KD has always done?

 Jimsolo wrote:
Kingdom Death is actually going to make models worth buying? I've got as much faith in that as Alex does in restic. Anyone got a link to this new stuff? Or is it just the same puerile 'I-scanned-an-old-copy-of-Heavy-Metal-magazine-into-a-3D-printer' stuff KD has always done?

Translation: I don't like Kingdom Death models, but I do like insulting them and those who do! Whee!

Seriously unnecessary. If you don't like the aesthetic, that's cool. The gak you slung above was uncalled for though.

~Eric

The sheer amount of trash that gets talked in this thread and THAT is the comment that's over the line?

The mind, she boggles.

Some cows are more sacred than others I suppose.

Well, he did swing from arguing material quality to aesthetics. People were saying that if anyone was going to jam lots of detail into HIPS models, it was Kingdom Death. Complaining about the choice of details instead of staying on point is a little impolite.

On topic (as much as anything) I don't love the restic that PP uses at all, though I suppose it is better than metal for some things. I don't have to use as many pins, at least. I am personally biased towards epoxy resin, but I recognize that it isn't as good for mass production.
The big question though is "Will RH be the ones to get restics working well, without god awful mold lines and terrible pour and vent scars." The various materials we have seen so far have not been so hot to work with, so models made in them have to be really good to start to not be irritating. We'll see. Or rather, you guys will see here, and I will see if I ever receive a box from Relic Knights