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Is the fluff lovely?

This review is pretty scathing of it

http://thegoodthebadtheinsulting.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/iyanden-part-2-lore-warhammer-40000.html

I found the fluff to be particularly interesting. It was pretty good stuff even for Ward.

This guy obviously was going to bash Ward no matter how good it might have been. He even spends the first few paragraphs completely misinterpreting the differences of Biel-Tan and Iyanden. It reeks of bias.

The fluff IMO could have been better but it's not as bad as this guy makes it out to be.

 Panic wrote:


It just needed some new codex entries. In 5 minutes I can think of loads

Special characters - Iyanna Arienal and Wraith Guard Character?

Not gonna happen. The days of just fun-character entries for the sake of fun-character entries in the spirit of Duke Slicus, etc.. or little teasers for converter and DIY-modellers are definitely over.

Thank you Chapterhouse studios.

Indeed, things like Warlord Wraithlords and the Spear of Teuthlas are - arguably - a desperate attempt of doing the above things in spirit at least, but without (hopefully) exposing their IP to slimy free-rider parasites like Chapterhouse, who'd only try to make a quick buck from it.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Not gonna happen. The days of just fun-character entries for the sake of fun-character entries in the spirit of Duke Slicus, etc.. or little teasers for converter and DIY-modellers are definitely over.

Thank you Chapterhouse studios.

text removed. Bit strong there I'm afraid.
Reds8n

It's not anyone's fault but GW's they don't put things in their books. Things have been missing in many books for years before 3rd party people showed up.

They always provide themselves the opportunity to do so, but don't.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Not gonna happen. The days of just fun-character entries for the sake of fun-character entries in the spirit of Duke Slicus, etc.. or little teasers for converter and DIY-modellers are definitely over.

Thank you Chapterhouse studios.

Lol... careful there, it's dripping down your chin.

It's not anyone's fault but GW's they don't put things in their books. Things have been missing in many books for years before 3rd party people showed up.

They always provide themselves the opportunity to do so, but don't.

They did have them in the book. Iyanna Arienal obviously was in the 3rd Edition Codex. That is the point. Prior to 6th, GW tended to put stuff into their books, even if they didn't (immediately or ever) make models for it. If the idea was there, just put it in and let hobbyists take a stab at it.

Chapterhouse clearly curbs the ability of GW to put anything into the any book or other publication that they cannot immediately "cover" with a miniature.

It kinda jars with the oft-stated premise that GW makes models first, rules later. They surely have the capability to produce the models before the codex (I mean they added Illic and made a model).

 Shandara wrote:
It kinda jars with the oft-stated premise that GW makes models first, rules later. They surely have the capability to produce the models before the codex (I mean they added Illic and made a model).

You think so?

I doubt that books are the bottleneck. Black Library is publishing some 5 to 10 books a month. GW studio puts out all those e-Publications, the White Dwarf, etc.. .

If they'd wanted to do it, and shift a few people around, they could easily publish 4 or 5 Codexes a month.

The miniatures are the part that counts. The first half of 2012 and the first half of 2013 saw roughly the same amount of new 40K miniatures released, even if the first half of 2012 had zero Codexes and the first half of 2012 had four so far. Books are easy to make. The books don't matter.

And yes, they added Illic, and to Tau new Tau Characters before him, and they revived Asmodai from the 3rd (?) Edition book with a new mini. But for everyone they do, another 5 or so stay "lost". There're limits to how many new miniatures they can or want to do, especially for an experimental book like Iyanden, Crusade of Fire or whatever.

It's not a big deal. The Spear of Teuthlas works well enough in simulating Iyanna. But 3 years ago, they wouldn't have had a second thought about putting in a page with Iyanna-rules. At worst, it would've been copy-&-paste from the 3rd Edition book. Now, in the days of Chapterhouse, they clearly must weigh the potential for abuse by freeriders.

yeah,

 TalonZahn wrote:
rude rant...

The point is that due to the low quality products that these leach companies are injecting into the HHHobby GW has taken the position to avoid leaving gaps in the market.

Now we have no more cool codex entries without Miniatures thanks to these scumbags... No more wave 2 or wave 3... Just minor updates with each new codex.

The main problem I have is that these guys say they love the HHHobby, they love 40k!
Yet when the company that makes the game asks them to stop ruining it they don't stop, which shows that they don't love the hobby they love the cash...
They have done more damage to it than other scumbags like crappy piracy pirates.
That makes them lying leaching scumbags who are ruining the hobby. That's not just opinion. It's fact.

Panic...

Seriously? Third party figure companies are no more leeches on GW than third party auto part guys are on GM. Also, anyone using HHHobby as a positive rather than GW trying to act like the rest of the world doesn't exist.

The only dumber thing I've heard over the last few weeks is fanboys apologizing over the X-Box One lock down. Seriously, the only person to blame for "disappointing" GW releases (I honestly liked the 40K codex releases this edition) is GW. If they wanted to make bigger releases, they could have slowed down the codex releases and just done twice as many kits for each army. But reworked plastic kits don't have the high volume that new kits do, so we're seeing very few reworked kits for existing plastics.

hands_miranda wrote:
Seriously? Third party figure companies are no more leeches on GW than third party auto part guys are on GM.

Yeah?

I wanna see you try selling auto parts for General Motors without their consent.

hands_miranda wrote:
If they wanted to make bigger releases, they could have slowed down the codex releases and just done twice as many kits for each army. But reworked plastic kits don't have the high volume that new kits do, so we're seeing very few reworked kits for existing plastics.

They did that.

Dark Eldar, to name the most obvious example, had 31 different unique releases. That is more than everything released for Warhammer 40K in 2013 so far taken together (!)

Chapterhouse is one of the reasons they'll never again do this. To leave units "without models" until a later wave is simply no longer an option.

 Zweischneid wrote:

hands_miranda wrote:
Seriously? Third party figure companies are no more leeches on GW than third party auto part guys are on GM.

Yeah?

I wanna see you try selling auto parts for General Motors without their consent.

hands_miranda wrote:
If they wanted to make bigger releases, they could have slowed down the codex releases and just done twice as many kits for each army. But reworked plastic kits don't have the high volume that new kits do, so we're seeing very few reworked kits for existing plastics.

They did that.

Dark Eldar, to name the most obvious example, had 31 different unique releases. That is more than everything released for Warhammer 40K in 2013 so far taken together (!)

Chapterhouse is one of the reasons they'll never again do this. To leave units "without models" until a later wave is simply no longer an option.

If only they had some sort of publication, maybe even a monthly, where they could put these special rules and characters. Then, they could publish a compendium, say once a year or two, wrapping all of this up together...

YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY USED TO DO.

Blaming Chaptehouse is demonstrably BS. They used to release minis along with the rules in White Dwarf. Heck, they used to release templates to make your own special vehicles and figures. They have the vehicle IN PLACE to release via wave, with a full write-up to make sure no one makes a model of something they left hanging, they just don't use it anymore. Don't expect me to feel sorry or sympathetic because they are morons.

 proditorcappela wrote:
Blaming Chaptehouse is demonstrably BS. They used to release minis along with the rules in White Dwarf. Heck, they used to release templates to make your own special vehicles and figures. They have the vehicle IN PLACE to release via wave, with a full write-up to make sure no one makes a model of something they left hanging, they just don't use it anymore. Don't expect me to feel sorry or sympathetic because they are morons.

You can blame GW for not wanting to do white dwarf updates/compendiums like the old days of chapter approved, but you can without a doubt blame Chapterhouse for GW ceasing to make new units/vehicles/characters with no model at the initial release. Before 3rd parties started jumping into the market on these units without models, the player got a greater quantity of new units in books, particularly units that might have to wait for a later wave or characters that would not be short term planned to have a model like DE has for a couple.

Overall the situation now sucks, and having a book come out with no model for units you wanted sucked in a different way. I blame both Chapterhouse and GW for creating this situation. At the same time, I applaud GW for the relatively rapid release schedule.

 proditorcappela wrote:


If only they had some sort of publication, maybe even a monthly, where they could put these special rules and characters. Then, they could publish a compendium, say once a year or two, wrapping all of this up together...

YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY USED TO DO.

Blaming Chaptehouse is demonstrably BS. They used to release minis along with the rules in White Dwarf. Heck, they used to release templates to make your own special vehicles and figures. They have the vehicle IN PLACE to release via wave, with a full write-up to make sure no one makes a model of something they left hanging, they just don't use it anymore. Don't expect me to feel sorry or sympathetic because they are morons.

What would that change? They could release White Dwarf rules for miniatures they release, but that wouldn't help one bit in bringing back miniature-less Codex-entries for the tinkerers, modellers, converters and hobbysits to enjoy? Those are gone forever. Because. Of. Chapterhouse.

How is it Games Workshop's fault that the bloated leeches of Chapterhouse can't be bothered to get off their lazy asses and, for example, start doing their own miniatures, for their own game, for their own fictional universe! Just like millions of others non-pirating entrepreneurs out there every day. And it's easier than ever with sites like Kickstarter.

But no, somehow it's GW's fault that Chapterhouse is ripping them off? Because they are "inviting" them to do it? Because they could - with enough effort - pursue a course of action that wouldn't open these vulnerabilities to criminals like Chapterhouse?

I don't think there's any need for this analogy.
Reds8n

hands_miranda wrote:
If they wanted to make bigger releases, they could have slowed down the codex releases and just done twice as many kits for each army. But reworked plastic kits don't have the high volume that new kits do, so we're seeing very few reworked kits for existing plastics.

And I think it is GW's loss. Every time I see new beautiful plastics like the Wraithguard I get excited to start a new army. Then I see they are still reboxing and increasing prices on 15-year-old jetbikes or that they still have never released an all-plastic storm guardians box, and I put the Wraithguard back on the shelf.

GW needs to spend some love on the models they already have rules for first, and then worry about adding new units.

I think it would be better all round if people calmed down and took a breath.

I appreciate how easy it is for arguments to escalate via this medium, but it is just toy soldiers at the end of the day. So some proportionality is a good idea.

Thanks !

When did GW become so original? GW have made more money off other peoples stuff than CHS have made off GW and likely will continue to make more and more. GW are a parasite company. CHS is just returning the favour.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Not gonna happen. The days of just fun-character entries for the sake of fun-character entries in the spirit of Duke Slicus, etc.. or little teasers for converter and DIY-modellers are definitely over.

Thank you Chapterhouse studios.

LOL... anyone else reading this and the subsequent rants not based in the same reality as the only court ruling on the subject as if it were part of the "Thanks, Obama!" meme?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama

Anyways... back to Iyanden. So the book only has 2 pages of rules for "normal" games not using specialty scenarios? I can't say I'm shocked at the actual content as that roughly matches what the old 3rd edition craftworld codex had per craftworld... but it charged half the price (AFTER adjusting for inflation) for 5x the craftworlds. Ultimately, if people are happy with their purchase and go in with both eyes wide open to what they're getting, that's the important thing. For those who just want to use a rule or two, it shouldn't be too difficult to just jot them down on some whitespace in their normal codex with a pen as well.

 Zweischneid wrote:

What would that change? They could release White Dwarf rules for miniatures they release, but that wouldn't help one bit in bringing back miniature-less Codex-entries for the tinkerers, modellers, converters and hobbysits to enjoy? Those are gone forever. Because. Of. Chapterhouse.

How is it Games Workshop's fault that the bloated leeches of Chapterhouse can't be bothered to get off their lazy asses and, for example, start doing their own miniatures, for their own game, for their own fictional universe! Just like millions of others non-pirating entrepreneurs out there every day. And it's easier than ever with sites like Kickstarter.

Riiiight... It's awful the way people want to make money sculpting miniatures that GW seemingly has no intention of making. I am sure that GW made no money at all on Thunderwolves or the Tervigon (two miniatures that released long after other companies had made third-party versions). And now that they do have miniatures, I imagine that players continue to buy the third-party versions over the GW all-plastic kits.

Alright, I'm done being sarcastic now. Seriously, if GW feels genuinely threatened by Chapterhouse Studios I would die of shock. The quality of GW minis is higher, they have the capacity to work in plastic (which is a huge selling point for a large portion of the community), and they are regularly available in stores (unlike most third-party models).

I think GW is pretty safe from the predations of "criminals" like that.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 TalonZahn wrote:
rude rant...

The point is that due to the low quality products that these leach companies are injecting into the HHHobby GW has taken the position to avoid leaving gaps in the market.

Now we have no more cool codex entries without Miniatures thanks to these scumbags... No more wave 2 or wave 3... Just minor updates with each new codex.

The main problem I have is that these guys say they love the HHHobby, they love 40k!
Yet when the company that makes the game asks them to stop ruining it they don't stop, which shows that they don't love the hobby they love the cash...
They have done more damage to it than other scumbags like crappy piracy pirates.
That makes them lying leaching scumbags who are ruining the hobby. That's not just opinion. It's fact.

Panic...

You plainly do not understand the meanings of either of those words.

If Chapterhouse has any effect on GW's production model, it's GW's fault. All of us are forgetting the easiest, and possibly best option that GW has at its disposal: ignore them. Seriously, they could ignore Chapterhouse completely and release models whenever they feel like it. Once the official GW model comes out, demand for the third party version will dry up. We've seen this happen with the tervigon release. No need to fuss about any of it.

Besides, if one guy in his garage can threaten a multi-million pound corporation like GW, then the corporation is failing, profoundly.

Is there any more actual news on Codex: Iyanden?

 kronk wrote:
Is there any more actual news on Codex: Iyanden?

I doubt it. Both the virtual and dead tree versions are out in the wild now. Other than an eventual errata, nothing much more can happen with it.

Remember, N&R is for news but also discussion of news. The idea of GW printing supplements and what they put into them being affected by what's going on in the larger context of the wargaming market belongs here because it's what you might call a "current events" discussion.

 Zweischneid wrote:


Yeah?

I wanna see you try selling auto parts for General Motors without their consent.

This happens all the time, I can walk ten feet from my house and find cosmetic peices like rims, trims, grills etc compatible with GM models, and goto any of a hundred different places in this city to find functional pieces like timing belts, fans, mufflers etc that will fit GM cars that aren't made by GM.

 warboss wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Is there any more actual news on Codex: Iyanden?

I doubt it. Both the virtual and dead tree versions are out in the wild now. Other than an eventual errata, nothing much more can happen with it.

The standard edition is listed as "No Longer Available" in the USA web store.

 heresy_30k wrote:
The standard edition is listed as "No Longer Available" in the USA web store.

Since at least Monday ...

...

It sure is.

Temporarily out of stock, maybe?

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 TalonZahn wrote:
rude rant...

The point is that due to the low quality products that these leach companies are injecting into the HHHobby GW has taken the position to avoid leaving gaps in the market.

Now we have no more cool codex entries without Miniatures thanks to these scumbags... No more wave 2 or wave 3... Just minor updates with each new codex.

The main problem I have is that these guys say they love the HHHobby, they love 40k!
Yet when the company that makes the game asks them to stop ruining it they don't stop, which shows that they don't love the hobby they love the cash...
They have done more damage to it than other scumbags like crappy piracy pirates.
That makes them lying leaching scumbags who are ruining the hobby. That's not just opinion. It's fact.

Panic...

There.. are just so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to start with it..

I really hope you are trying to parody such a ridiculous opinion...

Yeah,
Nope no parody here, I would have loved it if GW had of placed another three units in each of the recent codexs with no current model,
A couple of extra characters with exciting different abilities and we had chaos/tau/eldar wave two to look forward to...
But they don't do that anymore to remove the temptation from certain companies.

When we get excited about a new codex releases, these companies got excited for a different reason, they would rush out and obtain a copy and flip through the codex looking for IP to steal and making cash grabs with stuff like brood mother conversion kits and space robot arms and alien bikes that have no GW model/option available yet and swamp the forums with these sloppy releases cashing in on GW rules...

Because of their greed we'll never see empty codex entries like the trevigon again. They are now deleted from the codex during planning.

That is the very real harm these companies have done to the hobby.
Codexs are now limited to what's available now plus the two or three new kits that are ready, as a direct response to this constant IP infringment...

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Nope no parody here, I would have loved it if GW had of placed another three units in each of the recent codexs with no current model,
A couple of extra characters with exciting different abilities and we had chaos/tau/eldar wave two to look forward to...
But they don't do that anymore to remove the temptation from certain companies.

When we get excited about a new codex releases, these companies got excited for a different reason, they would rush out and obtain a copy and flip through the codex looking for IP to steal and making cash grabs with stuff like brood mother conversion kits and space robot arms and alien bikes that have no GW model/option available yet and swamp the forums with these sloppy releases cashing in on GW rules...

Because of their greed we'll never see empty codex entries like the trevigon again. They are now deleted from the codex during planning.

That is the very real harm these companies have done to the hobby.
Codexs are now limited to what's available now plus the two or three new kits that are ready, as a direct response to this constant IP infringment...

Panic...

News Flash... GW is a model selling company.
Double News Flash... No need for codex entries for the game unless they have a model to sell. "LoL guyz can you believe these people want to play a game with models? Whats' we sell? Lets make rules for doz thingz!" -GW