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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

back in the day they didn't haven fluff and stuff, keeping the books smaller and thus cheaper.
You read books if you wanted fluff...
less then, about 20 pages in a codex is actually useful
back in the day that's usually around how many they had, not 100
I don't need all that extra crap and a 60 dollar price tag, there's rulebooks for other miniature games that cost less then that

That was third edition, and it was honestly crap.

Not only just 3rd edition, but only about the first two years of 3rd edition. After a few fluffless codices, they realized people wanted it back. So they reissued a few fluffless codices completely redone with more fluff and expanded options in the army list to reflect it (SM and CSM 3.5 books), and all books after were in that style.

Saying 'back in the day there was no fluff' is referring to a very short preiod of time which was very unpopular. It's a bit rich saying we should go back to how it was then.

I personally love the fluff. I originally purchased tau back in early 5th edition because I loved the models and the idea of giant mechs fighting battles, the rules were secondary to me.

If it was just rules I cared about I would have purchased the current flavor of the week, so called OP army and ran them instead.

Its the variety of armies and builds that make the game fun.

Even if these supplements are only a few pages of rules, they still offer a different build to an already existing army, which is good in my book.

The biggest thing to remember is this is a game and supposed to be fun, when we start bickering with each other and become win at all cost players, then I think its time to take a break.

if it wasn't for the fluff, and the artwork, i would not have spent the last 25 years collecting GW books and magazines...
actually playing the game holds zero interest for me...

the time (countless hours) i spend painting is inspired, and informed, by the fluff and art...
the guys who create the words and pictures that inspire me need to eat, and giving my money to GW helps keep those guys employed...

i definitely look forward to seeing the spin they put on the Farsight Enclave...
he has been my favorite Tau character since the original Codex was released...

cheers
jah

 dlust1 wrote:
If it was just rules I cared about I would have purchased the current flavor of the week, so called OP army and ran them instead.

Or, you could have still bought Tau anyway for all the same reasons, and had the joy of knowing that the rules weren't garbage.

Why do so many players feel like they have to choose between one or the other?

 Sidstyler wrote:

 dlust1 wrote:
If it was just rules I cared about I would have purchased the current flavor of the week, so called OP army and ran them instead.

Or, you could have still bought Tau anyway for all the same reasons, and had the joy of knowing that the rules weren't garbage.

Why do so many players feel like they have to choose between one or the other?

Because games with brilliant rules are a dime a dozen. Or, actually, free of charge a dozen.

It's perhaps not a choice between one or the other, but to satisfy my itch for good rules, I don't ever need to spend more than a dollar... in my entire life.

The thing that makes it worthwhile spending 10 or 20 or 30 dollars on a book, much less thousands of dollars on a hobby (not even counting the in-numerous hours building, painting, etc..) thus cannot be the rules, and they may as well be opposites.

Good rules in 40K are like good peanuts on a private jet flight from New York to Tokio. Sure, it's nice to have good peanuts, but you don't have to pay for a flight like that to get good peanuts. And if the peanuts aren't all that great after all, it'd be a petty, but hardly relevant as long as you still get to Tokio fast and comfortable.

It's not like you can't also find much better (free) writing and (free) art than what GW puts out too. Clearly people want rules and writing that are associated with this particular IP.

I don't know that anyone lamenting how light on rules the Iyanden supplement was for its price are saying that there's no place at all for the other stuff - I doubt there'd be many complaints if GW were releasing background books and art books - they're just saying that they don't want to be forced to buy the other things to get the rules, or at least quite so much of the other things in order to get very few rules. And then there are parts like the Cities of Death strategems which it's not clear that anyone actually wanted. One expects that this sort of bundling contributes to piracy, although it might still work out to be a better business decision.

Really am hoping they bring it in line with the origional fluff for farsight and dont change it.

The reason ive dropped my tau for now was because things in the new book stray even further away from playing a farsight list.
About the only thing ive loved from the new stuff is the updated farsight model, which is IMO one of the best models GW have released this year.

I just want the option to run a pure suit army with some form of CC.
Kroot are ok for CC, but dont really do alot.
Vespid are not ment to be CC, but usually end up there with the range of their guns. (when i bother to take them)

Farsight
4 bodyguards

Commander
2 bodyguards

3 combat suits
3 shooty suits
3 shooty suits

^Thats the type of army i'd want to play.
Firewarriors are fine, but limited and i dont like them all that much, so the option of running suits as troops would be amazing.
Not to mention a great sales pitch for GW.

I have always found Farsight to be an interesting character, but I have some trepidation about the expanded fluff on him and his cadre/enclaves.

From the teaser pages on 3++ the Farsight fluff might go south for me. With chaos in the mix it may come down to how they explain the sword. Artifact from an ancient race or chaos weapon warping his mind?

I see they have doctored the old 3rd ed picture of him out of the suit with the sword so it looks more like a tau power weapon than artifact.

Watch them bring back Ork fighter!! That would be sick...... +1 WS and +1 to ANY STAT!!! 2 wound fire warriors lol!!!

I'm curious how they are going to explain his extend life in the expanded fluff. Beyond that if they give me the ability to field and entire army of Battlesuits, I'm in!

Noc

Couldn't he be a new Puretide for his faction-- a dead guy who inspires a bunch of other people? He'd still be available as a special character, but have already died in the fluff. (like Eldrad or a bunch of the historical special characters from older versions of WFB)

The more obvious answer is the chaos sword he has grants him longer life, but lots of people rather dislike the whole "Chaos Tau" angle there. We'll obviously know more in 4 days.

Don't Tau have near perfect cryogenics?

they will freeze people to keep them fresh till they are needed again. and if i recall purtide is still on ice not dead.

its entirely possible that farsight also has the ablity to be put to sleep from time to time.

Nope, he's dead. They preserved his psychology to make AI's so his teachings could never die with him.

hands_miranda wrote:


The more obvious answer is the chaos sword he has grants him longer life, but lots of people rather dislike the whole "Chaos Tau" angle there. We'll obviously know more in 4 days.

The Dawn blade isn't a chaos artifact, its a Necron Scyth...

The most obvious answer would be that the red crisis suit leading the army is steered by different persons over the decades. Difficult to tell who is in if you only see the same old suit walking by.

 -Loki- wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Do people just "Forget" that theese things are packed with great fluff and battle missions.

I'm guessing at this point GW should just remove all the stories, close Black Library, switch to a tournament only you can't play friendly games that aren't tournaments format, and release only $20 rules packets in 3 ring binders so that changing the rules everytime a tournament player whines is super easy.

As a fluffy/theme player these books are awesome and not just about the rules.

back in the day they didn't haven fluff and stuff, keeping the books smaller and thus cheaper.
You read books if you wanted fluff...
less then, about 20 pages in a codex is actually useful
back in the day that's usually around how many they had, not 100
I don't need all that extra crap and a 60 dollar price tag, there's rulebooks for other miniature games that cost less then that

That was third edition, and it was honestly crap.

Not only just 3rd edition, but only about the first two years of 3rd edition. After a few fluffless codices, they realized people wanted it back. So they reissued a few fluffless codices completely redone with more fluff and expanded options in the army list to reflect it (SM and CSM 3.5 books), and all books after were in that style.

Saying 'back in the day there was no fluff' is referring to a very short preiod of time which was very unpopular. It's a bit rich saying we should go back to how it was then.

Very well said (except for Rainbow Dash). 40k (and Fantasy) are much larger than just a game now. Other companies have smaller and cheaper rulebooks because they don't have the wealth of background and fan fluff associated with it. 40k in particular is a narrative game.

I don't need just a reference sheet with stats. I want more. I want to be a nerd and delve into a story and then build a list around it. I want to paint my army to reflect the story I've read and/or fashioned for them. The majority of the people strongly disagree with you Rainbow, and that was made evident when, during that period you describe (which lasted all of 2 years), the bulk of the players complained about the leaflet style codices. The more fluff they give us, the better this game gets.

"You read books if you wanted fluff."

A Codex is a book.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The most obvious answer would be that the red crisis suit leading the army is steered by different persons over the decades. Difficult to tell who is in if you only see the same old suit walking by.

This seems very accurate. Especially since they released those pictures from the Ipad version and the comments about Commander Brightsword and his armor being passed down over the years. Guess Farsight approves of Bequeathal for Suits.

Everyone loves the Dread Shas'O Roberts.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Everyone loves the Dread Shas'O Roberts.

You beat me to it! Inconceivable! Too bad there's no rumors on content. At least people knew what was in Iyanden before it went live.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The most obvious answer would be that the red crisis suit leading the army is steered by different persons over the decades. Difficult to tell who is in if you only see the same old suit walking by.

This.

And please let the Dawnblade be a 'cron artefact,not retconned a chaos mind-warping blade of doom.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Everyone loves the Dread Shas'O Roberts.

This post is the only thing that has ever made me want to actually field Farsight

 D6Damager wrote:

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Everyone loves the Dread Shas'O Roberts.

You beat me to it! Inconceivable! Too bad there's no rumors on content. At least people knew what was in Iyanden before it went live.

Why do you wear a battlesuit? Did you get burned by acid or something?

veryone should go and listen to the DSR podcast about Tau (just released).

Without spoiling too much DSR go into large detail about the history of Puretide, Farsight and Shadowsun.
Definitely worth it.

I wonder if you HAVE to take Farsight in a Farsight Enclave list, or will there be alternative SCs or generic HQs?

If it's anything like the Iyanden supplement, there won't be any new units, just wargear, warlord traits, and maybe some special rules. The Iyanden book didn't even have limitations on taking non-Iyanden special characters, so there's always the possibility of still being able to take Shadowsun in an Enclave list.

 Archonate wrote:
I wonder if you HAVE to take Farsight in a Farsight Enclave list...

I kinda think the whole point of this supplement is so that you don't have to take Farsight.

Fusion blades? Sounds fun.

Just got the book you can choose from a number of commanders one of them is a riptide that can reroll the Nova roll (looks like the riptide is only a bodyguard unit for farsight)

All crisis suits are troops

You can't take aun va or shadowsun

Fusion blades are in .

This is my new army

Thachng wrote:
Just got the book you can choose from a number of commanders one of them is a riptide that can reroll the Nova roll

All crisis suits are troops

You can't take aun va or shadowsun

Fusion blades are in .

This is my new army

What da what? you got it early?.....

Riptide HQ? im in