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1 - Primes need some form of upgrades and rule changes.

Being able to join a podding unit of warriors is needed from time to time, or just a unit in a pod in general.

Movement type - Being just infantry is annoying.
What if i wanted to join a unit of shrikes or ravs?
I have to slow that unit down.
Would have thought that nid evolution would give us an option for wings or a snake like body.

Ravs are amazing, but need babysitting, so a lash and sword prime with snake like body would be amazing and might get more people to run them.


Stealers need to be able to assault as quickly as possible.
They hit like a truck in combat and tear most things apart, but they are bloody expensive on points and people can easily shoot them to pieces when they come in.

Tyrant guards - Great unit and i allways run them if i take a flyrant, i just dont join them.
3 solo monsters with swords really do cut through most things and the punishment they can take is unreal.
Really is a solid unit, just a shame you cant pod them or take more than 3.
3 With a prime would be pretty dam solid, but you then have the tax of a tyrant to get them.

 ductvader wrote:

 Hyrule Hero wrote:
You have a good point there MadmanMSU. Why shouldn't we get plasma weapons or an equvilent.

Ass plasma is one gun you don't want to roll a one on for "it get's hot"

Carnifexes can already shoot Bio Plasma...its a 12" range Plasma Cannon...20 pts though?

I take it on Screamer Fexes for fun sometimes.

oh yaaa...i can't believe i forgot about that, even as i was thinking to myself "we need some sort of bio-plasma!" Well i don't usually take it so that's my excuse haha


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 Jackal wrote:
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Tyrant guards - Great unit and i allways run them if i take a flyrant, i just dont join them.
3 solo monsters with swords really do cut through most things and the punishment they can take is unreal.
Really is a solid unit, just a shame you cant pod them or take more than 3.
3 With a prime would be pretty dam solid, but you then have the tax of a tyrant to get them.

How about giving the guards a 2+ save

One more thing, and I know people are gonna hate me for this, but I really think they need to remove being able to take Tervigons as troop choices. Its become too much of a crutch, much like RoW was for Eldar before their update, and every competitive army that knows they'll be fighting nids has counters for it.

I take 2 tervigons and 40 gants in every game...I am not competitive...its just become necessary...and I kinda hate it too.

I am completely okay with the tervigon removal if other infantry gets boosted...like army wide infantry stealth.


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Army wide stealth would be nice because it would balance out the markerlights remove my cover completely bs.

I would be upset if Tervigon's moved to HQ only. I could see them being Heavy Support as well, though.

I'd prefer Tervigons to remain troops, and just make the rest of the bloody book just as good.

When one unit is being taken because it's the only good option, the solution isn't to make that worse, it's to bring everything else up to its level.

I do like the idea that troops can change an hq to troops...instead of an hq changing an elite to troops...its unique

 -Loki- wrote:
I'd prefer Tervigons to remain troops, and just make the rest of the bloody book just as good.

When one unit is being taken because it's the only good option, the solution isn't to make that worse, it's to bring everything else up to its level.

This is my opinion as well.

 -Loki- wrote:
I'd prefer Tervigons to remain troops, and just make the rest of the bloody book just as good.

When one unit is being taken because it's the only good option, the solution isn't to make that worse, it's to bring everything else up to its level.

This is (kind of) what I meant as well. I hope that the rest of the book becomes good enough that Tervigons won't be as much of an autotake anymore.

Tervigons are so good they don't need to be troops.

That can definitely afford to be lost...the rest of the troops section, the fast section, and pyrovores need work.

This is why I'm kinda dreading the new book.

I'll have just finished painting the units that are viable now only to find they have swapped them all around.

I know that is a facet of your book being updated but with the limited number of competitive choices I worry this book will be an extreme example of that business strategy.

 Eldarain wrote:
This is why I'm kinda dreading the new book.

I'll have just finished painting the units that are viable now only to find they have swapped them all around.

I know that is a facet of your book being updated but with the limited number of competitive choices I worry this book will be an extreme example of that business strategy.

It sucks but it comes with the game. Just ask my 30 paladins that are collecting dust...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
This is why I'm kinda dreading the new book.

I'll have just finished painting the units that are viable now only to find they have swapped them all around.

I know that is a facet of your book being updated but with the limited number of competitive choices I worry this book will be an extreme example of that business strategy.

It sucks but it comes with the game. Just ask my 30 paladins that are collecting dust...

Why don't you just play stock GKTs? Still way competitive.

Nothing is going to make Tyrants less competetive.,.maybe the harpy is going to get some sweet devourer or vector strike action

Tervigons are still going to spawn gants...as long as that stay 3d6 they'll still be good.

termagants will always be good...

...and the rest...we'll its all debatably equally competetive.

I think the only unit that is going to get knocked way down compared to its current ridiculousness is zoanthropes

 ductvader wrote:
Nothing is going to make Tyrants less competetive

Actually, they can. Tyranids as of 6th edition are solidly middle teir, up from their bottom teir in 5th edition. They can definitely be pushed right back down there.

I was winning tournaments much more easily in 5th than 6th.

as always

YMMV

In 5th my Tyranids could barely draw with my friends Eldar and Dark Eldar. Now I struggle to lose against those armies.

One last thing: Bring back rules for the Red Terror! And make it and the the Deathleaper upgrade characters rather than having them take up a whole slot by themselves (unless of course they're giving the Red Terror the kickass "Swallowed Whole!" rule)

I hope it's not some half-assed attempt this time. I think a good deal of the codex's failings are tied to the fact that Cruddace was... scared of making an overpowered army. It's full of potential that is wasted because the rules just don't work. There's a strong deep striking theme, with a number of ways to manipulate reserves. Except...

- Hive Commander doesn't stack for reason and the pheromone trail requires that the Lictors already be on the board, even though they've really been there all this time? The feth?
- Pods are there, but units joined by an IC cannot use them? Why?
- Trygons can tunnel, but there's zero way of ensuring that the units you want can use it? And Raveners, being beasts, cannot use the tunnel even though that the original FW version was sort of based on that?

And the list goes on of nagging little things that seem to have been decided because "ho, this might give them too much of an advantage."

The FAQ is an entirely different ball. Pure undistilled stupidity by whoever is behind it.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
One last thing: Bring back rules for the Red Terror! And make it and the the Deathleaper upgrade characters rather than having them take up a whole slot by themselves (unless of course they're giving the Red Terror the kickass "Swallowed Whole!" rule)

The Red Terror and Deathleaper are two completely different things.

Red Terror is a ravener/MC thats eats things...Deathleaper is the invisible assassin lictor

If the red terror comes back, he needs to come as either a non IC Ravener or Trygon.

 ductvader wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
One last thing: Bring back rules for the Red Terror! And make it and the the Deathleaper upgrade characters rather than having them take up a whole slot by themselves (unless of course they're giving the Red Terror the kickass "Swallowed Whole!" rule)

The Red Terror and Deathleaper are two completely different things.

Red Terror is a ravener/MC thats eats things...Deathleaper is the invisible assassin lictor

If the red terror comes back, he needs to come as either a non IC Ravener or Trygon.

With "swallowed whole", re-inventing the red terror as a named Trygon would be the way to go IMO.

Maybe a Trygon that gives Raveners within 6-12" "Rampage"...that would be sweet.

Looking at the Farsight Supp. it can give some hope to nid players that the possibility of allying in your own army isn't an oversighted avenue GW can take.

I would love to convert a trygon to a Red terror, would be a sweet project. But the whole "swallowed whole" thing sounds like it would be a mawloc thing..

To touch on what you were saying before Ductvader. I think the Tervigon should be removed as a troop choice too. I don't want to blame everything on it but it is making the Tyranid lists too vanilla. But as metioned this is also due to the rest of the army not being quite up to snuff.

I want to see the Tyranofex become more useful. Maybe it's just me but if you are bred to be a giant walking gun, maybe have a better BS. Has anyone actualy found any use for this big bug?

Making the Tervigon non scoring isn't a big deal...I often have so many small squads of gants around it doesnt matter.

But yes...this means that hormagaunts, stealers, and especially warriors need to be reworked, which I personally assume would happen with a new book.

Rippers and Sky Slashers also need something special that makes them worth using.

Use 2 tyrranos...take rupture cannons and cluster spines...have them run up the flanks of swarmlord and laugh maniacally.

I've never lost a game with those 3...preferred enemy on tyrrano shooting is decent...especially with the 20 shot gun.

Something I would love to see is a better implementation of the Hive Mind in-game. It really is a unique part of the Tyranid fluff that is currently only really reflected by making a few units Fearless.

Back in the first ever version of the Tyranid rules (Epic Hive War), you got Hive Mind cards that let you focus on certain aspects of your army. Certain units could be boosted (or even resurrected) by focusing the power of the Hive Mind. Some units would revert to instinctive behaviour unless told to act otherwise. A great way to achieve this in 40k is to do away with all the current rules for synapse range and the like and instead have something like this:


All non-synapse units will act according to their instincts unless otherwise ordered. This means things like Termagants seeking cover and shooting the nearest enemy, Carnifexes rampaging toward the nearest target, etc.

Synapse units and any Psykers would generate a certain number of Hive Mind points at the start of each turn, which go into a pool. These points may be spent on certain actions during the turn, including:

Overriding instinctive behaviour, letting the player fully control a unit

Making a unit Fearless for a turn, and/or automatically rallying it.

Granting FNP or similar USRs

Regenerating wounds or even resurrecting certain units.

Boosting certain psychic powers, such as bypassing Deny the Witch

Protection aganst Perils

etc

Synapse units would then form the real backbone of the Tyranid army, actually using them to coordinate the rest of the force instead of just making them Fearless. It also allows for an element of tactical depth - is it more worthwhile for a player to just leave most of their army following instinctive behaviour while focusing points to boost one or two key units at a critical moment? What if they're now getting too few points due to loss of synapse, what's the best way to prioritise? How do you build lists that generate enough points to perform well, while still being able to inflict damage and claim objectives?

This would make Nids a very unique army to play both as and against, and I think it has great potential if done right.

 xttz wrote:
Something I would love to see is a better implementation of the Hive Mind in-game. It really is a unique part of the Tyranid fluff that is currently only really reflected by making a few units Fearless.

Back in the first ever version of the Tyranid rules (Epic Hive War), you got Hive Mind cards that let you focus on certain aspects of your army. Certain units could be boosted (or even resurrected) by focusing the power of the Hive Mind. Some units would revert to instinctive behaviour unless told to act otherwise. A great way to achieve this in 40k is to do away with all the current rules for synapse range and the like and instead have something like this:


All non-synapse units will act according to their instincts unless otherwise ordered. This means things like Termagants seeking cover and shooting the nearest enemy, Carnifexes rampaging toward the nearest target, etc.

Synapse units and any Psykers would generate a certain number of Hive Mind points at the start of each turn, which go into a pool. These points may be spent on certain actions during the turn, including:

Overriding instinctive behaviour, letting the player fully control a unit

Making a unit Fearless for a turn, and/or automatically rallying it.

Granting FNP or similar USRs

Regenerating wounds or even resurrecting certain units.

Boosting certain psychic powers, such as bypassing Deny the Witch

Protection aganst Perils

etc

Synapse units would then form the real backbone of the Tyranid army, actually using them to coordinate the rest of the force instead of just making them Fearless. It also allows for an element of tactical depth - is it more worthwhile for a player to just leave most of their army following instinctive behaviour while focusing points to boost one or two key units at a critical moment? What if they're now getting too few points due to loss of synapse, what's the best way to prioritise? How do you build lists that generate enough points to perform well, while still being able to inflict damage and claim objectives?

This would make Nids a very unique army to play both as and against, and I think it has great potential if done right.

While I applaud the idea...I personally don't like the Warmahordes feel this will bring to the game.

I would prefer that there be be an even greater diversity in what instinctive behavior is.

 Goat wrote:
Looking at the Farsight Supp. it can give some hope to nid players that the possibility of allying in your own army isn't an oversighted avenue GW can take.

That's what I thought, but I have a feeling that GW will pull a fluff card and say "but Hive Fleets do not cooperate! They kill each other and the strongest fleet is bolstered!"
Of course Black Templar can ally with Eldar though, that's A-OK.

And Farsight can ally with Orks!

3 words
36" warp lance

Honestly 18" would do it with onslaught already present.

And I think Brainleech devourers need to be able to be taken on Harpies.

HVC and VC need some sort of increased radius or AP increase/decrease...better it!

Honestly I think Harpies should just gain the ability to assault aircraft.

If they actually release a model and give harpies a way to deal with tanks or fliers they're going to sell like crazy.