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Well they look better with helmets atleast

Man everytime I get excited about a new release from GW I see the first few leaked pics and go and buy something from a different company. Looks like ill be buying a tiger for BA, or something from perry.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, if you want to buy GW models, it's because you like heroic scale.. the centurions are the natural extension of that established design style, and possibly a response from GW as they noticed that people wanted "truescale" marines... there is a clear demand from the fanbase to have marines, but larger so they tower over the imperial guard.

No matter what Dakka says, these minis will sell lots and lots to space marine players and a lot of people will like them.

Of course, I personally think they're godawful abominations of sculpts with no sense of posing/ dynamics and taking heroic scale to extreme extents..

... and I am very happy that I will be getting a bunch of these delivered to me sometime soon instead (hard plastic, bought for $2 each):

That's just because I like that style of mini though, and prefer to pay $2 for the mini instead of $12.

There's nothing "wrong" with the centurions though, some people like that style of miniature and are happy to pay for it, I imagine they will be very successful, as all new space marine releases are.

Enough with the memes. macros etc etc now thanks folks.

And please remember not to attach non wargaming images to Dakka.

Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

And it's good to see you take yet another opportunity to plug Mantic.

I like the AA tank, I have to agree on the Centurions, I think they look absolutely fething awful.

Its like everything nowadays, they have to kick the fething arse out of it. Have you noticed that? Today, you cant just like something, you have to kick the fething arse out of it.

Look at Game of Thrones, no, you can't just rather like it, nooooo, you have to go buy the fething GOT wine glasses and the GOT shirts and the GOT bedspreads oh and look that cute girl who goes to UCSB has got a Lannister tattoo.. yay! Oh that is fething sick!

It doesn't matter if its music, Tv, movies, games, everything about our modern uber trendy society knocks me fething sick nowadays, must we mercilessly kick the arse out of absolutely everything? Does nobody subscribe to the term, if it aint broke, dont fix the fething thing!?

Space Marines were almost perfect in fifth aesthetically. VV look great, SG look great, Termies of all forms look excellent, Vanilla Space Marines of all shapes and sizes look typically great, but no, thats not enough, lets stick a space marine in terminator armour inside another space marine suit, with no fething legs, so it looks like a giant obese metal grandad wearing a big metal oven gloves, a steel kilt and an aluminium apron.

 scarletsquig wrote:
I don't see what all the fuss is about, if you want to buy GW models, it's because you like heroic scale.. the centurions are the natural extension of that established design style, and possibly a response from GW as they noticed that people wanted "truescale" marines... there is a clear demand from the fanbase to have marines, but larger so they tower over the imperial guard.

No matter what Dakka says, these minis will sell lots and lots to space marine players and a lot of people will like them.

Of course, I personally think they're godawful abominations of sculpts with no sense of posing/ dynamics and taking heroic scale to extreme extents..

... and I am very happy that I will be getting a bunch of these delivered to me sometime soon instead (hard plastic, bought for $2 each):

Spoiler:

That's just because I like that style of mini though, and prefer to pay $2 for the mini instead of $12.

There's nothing "wrong" with the centurions though, some people like that style of miniature and are happy to pay for it, I imagine they will be very successful, as all new space marine releases are.

Where are those models from? I like those a lot...

^ They're from Mantic Games, should be out later this year as a unit. They wouldn't fit with the established space marine style, but I think it's getting to the point where even the new releases from GW don't fit the style.

Especially that robot thing, I actually quite like the legs and body on it, but the head and arms are just crazy.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...



On topic:
The Centurions look like they could be decent, but suffer from over-designing. I'm intrigued and look forward to seeing one "in the flesh" and figuring out what can be done to rectify that over-design issue.

~Eric

Yep, also it is amazing how many people will form a solid end all be all opinion based on limited information that they know is limited.

Still I am excited, I hope regular helmets will fit, also waiting to see what the heavy version looks like as well as side angles and poseability. Just from the difference between the ultramarines and the imperial fists we know there is some.

Reds...the Dude does NOT abide being redacted.

But seriously, about half the people like it, about half dont. That's about par for the course, isn't it?

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

 mattyrm wrote:
I like the AA tank, I have to agree on the Centurions, I think they look absolutely fething awful.

Its like everything nowadays, they have to kick the fething arse out of it. Have you noticed that?

Yes. Actually, in this case, though, this is maybe intentional. MeanGreenStompa and a few othersposters had thought that as a repercussion of the Chapterhouse case, where some of Games Workshop's stuff was deemed too plain to be protected works; the natural consequence would be designs that are more and more blinged out and over the top because those elements keep them as non-generic IP. This seems to be bearing out.

Also like the AA tank, think the body would look good on a whirlwind too. Where are the pics of the veterans kit? I understand the centurions pics are like passing a train wreck, you just have to look. But no pics of the rumored sternguard?

Thing is, if you buy these to rectify the design issues all GW sees is a sale. Much the same as Hollywood doesn't register that people saw a blockbuster movie and hated it, they just see the ticket sale. That saddens me perhaps more than it should.

I'm really hoping the Stern- and Vanguard kits are worthwhile to make up for these.

I'm not even feeling the AA tank, allowing for 40K standards it has too many guns.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Well remember the biggest reason for new units is because it keeps people from simply resorting the models they already own. New models means new purchases, especially for the FOTM players if the new models are given good rules.

When nobody has the models to begin with, there is no way for anyone to obtain them secondhand.

These centurions are not so bad, I would remove some of the extra details so they look like large slabs of armor.
Make it look a little more like a mini-contemptor dread.
The plates at the waist do need to be trimmed which would give more leg length so they do not look like they waddle.
I would only trim off the inside, side toes because that looks way too hard to work around to walk.
Too bad about the heads being so small, a helmet is the only way to go: seems silly to have all that metal and have the melon meat hanging out there.
Wonder if the FW dread heads are larger and could put that on instead.

Fast attack seems strange, I assume they teleport in?

The drills fit FW designs, looks like these are the alternative for those who feel the dreadnaught close combat utility was taken away.
I think by the design the drills extend out on a cylinder much like the halberd on the librarian dreadnaught.
Large guns can only help how these guys look, when I see this picture I keep thinking: "what is so important they need to get up close kill? Put on big freaking guns!".

So for this "Tween-Marine" fluff, you put wounded marines in these until they heal up? This is like a "walker" (cool! double meaning!) when some get infirm?

Late to the party but yes, the new AA tank looks great. The Rhino chassis is the norm, (expected for me really) I like some of the new bits to change it's shape.

Giant fake robot of oval base: Just made no sense for marine tie-in design. It either takes the design hint from a brick or the business end of a baseball bat or it is not a marine design. Spindly fussy bits is a big no-no, the TC's just barely pass.

Will be interesting to see anything new to add to the troop kits (glad I only would buy if it looks good than necessity).

Let us see what the codex has for us, that usually decides how much model design needs "fixing".

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

The mantic ones look silly as well. Is that helmet grinning?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Well remember the biggest reason for new units is because it keeps people from simply resorting the models they already own. New models means new purchases, especially for the FOTM players if the new models are given good rules.

When nobody has the models to begin with, there is no way for anyone to obtain them secondhand.

I know, I made that point in my previous post . Probably worth mentioning again though

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

I know precisely what they are. Proportions are nowhere near as bad, and they are nowhere near as over-designed as these Centurions.

~Eric

 Kanluwen wrote:

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

Naw, that whole skinny waist, long torso, huge chest is like, Mantics 'signature style.'

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Those are just as bad as the Centurions.

Riiiiiiight...

You realize that those are Mantic's Terminator equivalent, right?

And that the proportions are absolutely awful.

I know precisely what they are. Proportions are nowhere near as bad, and they are nowhere near as over-designed as these Centurions.

~Eric

You are certainly welcome to think that.

I won't argue the point further as it is opinion.

Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

The highest praise and most damning criticism I can offer for the Centurions is the ever lazy 'they're alright'.

 lordofthegophers wrote:
Centurions are bad models. Period. Fact. If you think otherwise, you are simply wrong and/or have very bad taste.

You tell us.

I'll wait for better pictures before I pass final judgement.

Centurions = fail
AA Tank = win

So far, batting .500

 Malika2 wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

I don't like the Centurions either. Think about it this way though. They needed new models for Marines. GW isn't putting FW units into their codices anymore so their only option was to create something new. They couldn't just add in new terminators or make Centurions like Terminators because everyone and their mother who owns any sort of SM army has Terminators. If they made the Centurions too similar to Terminators it would be much easier, and cheaper, to simply convert some of those many Terminators that are lying around, since I am sure they will get the nerf bat, into the new shiny Centurions! The solution to that is for GW to make the Centurion unit into models that are too different from Terminators so you really will need to buy the models rather than just convert up or counts as your own. Doesn't mean the models aren't ugly. Oops, I forgot to add imo after that last remark, I just assumed that was obviously an opinion statement.

But are new units really that needed? The Space Marine codex was already pretty solid, units wise. Maybe some more character dreadnoughts (Librarian, Chaplain, etc), possibly Terminators with different heavy weapons (we've already got the plasma cannon and multimelta, so a 'devastator terminator' kit wouldn't have been that weird), or maybe even some Rhino/Land Raider variants such as the Sabre would have been enough. Was it really that necessary to create the Centurions, a totally random unit that can't even walk without falling over?

Are new units needed from your perspective and mine? No absolutely not. GW is however, despite many people wanting to pretend otherwise, a business driven by profits. They make profits off of sales, new units will sell more than old ones with new rules.

Of course, but sadly enough we see that at a certain point it seems to have become impossible to come up with any new unit that still fits, be it the existing background or designs. Remember back in the 2nd edition days there were quite a lot of different captain and sergeant models. Nowadays we do have a big collection of very cool captain models, but I do think GW could expand on that. We have Tech Marines in that fancy suit, what about Tech Marines in just normal power armour or terminator armour? What about bike mounted techmarines? Throw in a cool Land Raider/Rhino variant or two, we've got the new anti-air one, which is cool, what about a Sabre or some AA Land Raider? As for the veterans, we've got a veteran version of the tactical squad (Sternguard) and the assault squad (Vanguard), so what about a veteran version of the devastator squad? What about assault squads without jump packs? What about an updated bike kit, so far only the Dark Angels seem to have one. So just a 6th edition bike and attack bike.

I agree wholeheartedly but nothing says BUY ME KIDS! more than made in Taiwan looking new SM variants.

Yeah,
I like them, a lot!

New tank looks great love the stabilisers on the sides,
Hopefully this chassis is shared with the whirlwind... It needs stabilising too!

panic...