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I'm sad cuz i thought that i would have perma tl tactical marines.

Honor Guard seem pretty awesome, and they might be worth building a list around. While there has been a proliferation of AP2 weapons, if I can stuff 30 honor guard into a list at around 260 per 10 (25 per model, and 35 for Chapter Champion), you can fit 30 of those 2+, Power sword wielding bad boys in with 780 points, and that is a lot of 2+ armor that has to be dealt with, and quickly, before they decide to charge. Sure, Calgar eats up another 275 points, and you still need troops, but that force could be very potent.

Maybe take Calgar, three tactical squads in drop pods with meltagun load outs, and then three Honor guard squads in drop pods. Tac squads pop vehicles before the Honor guard come in. Without upgrades, doing that with 5 man Tac squads runs 1545 for 3x 5man Tac squads, 3x10 man Honor guard, and Calgar in Terminator armor.

On second thought, maybe it's best to do this at 2500.

Still, dealing with 30 honor guard with 2+ saves all around would be really tough. If nothing else, they are at least worth considering investing in, whereas before I never even considered them seriously.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
I'm sad cuz i thought that i would have perma tl tactical marines.

No, don't be It's at least as good, if not better now.
1) Our IF and Sally brothers' tactics have a point now
2) the once a game mechanic rewards good tactical decision making (something very UM)
3) when you need it, you can bust out the other two now... so you have a very flexible force (again, very UM)
4) its not crazy broken and us 20 year vets of the UM don't have to listen to as much whining this time around

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
I'm sad cuz i thought that i would have perma tl tactical marines.

Then take Big Papa Smurf to double your fun

DogofWar1 wrote:
Honor Guard seem pretty awesome, and they might be worth building a list around. While there has been a proliferation of AP2 weapons, if I can stuff 30 honor guard into a list at around 260 per 10 (25 per model, and 35 for Chapter Champion), you can fit 30 of those 2+, Power sword wielding bad boys in with 780 points, and that is a lot of 2+ armor that has to be dealt with, and quickly, before they decide to charge. Sure, Calgar eats up another 275 points, and you still need troops, but that force could be very potent.

Maybe take Calgar, three tactical squads in drop pods with meltagun load outs, and then three Honor guard squads in drop pods. Tac squads pop vehicles before the Honor guard come in. Without upgrades, doing that with 5 man Tac squads runs 1545 for 3x 5man Tac squads, 3x10 man Honor guard, and Calgar in Terminator armor.

On second thought, maybe it's best to do this at 2500.

Still, dealing with 30 honor guard with 2+ saves all around would be really tough. If nothing else, they are at least worth considering investing in, whereas before I never even considered them seriously.

We do play 2.5k games and I already have 20 HG... maybe its time to build ten more

thx for the replies .

Any word on 'eavy flamers in tac squads? i would love to drop a pod and screw some horde player! otherwise I will just have to stick with sternies.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
Any word on 'eavy flamers in tac squads? i would love to drop a pod and screw some horde player! otherwise I will just have to stick with sternies.

Check out last page

found it!.. now i have to get sternies.

 Lobukia wrote:


We do play 2.5k games and I already have 20 HG... maybe its time to build ten more

Considering it only costs maybe 60 points more to field 30 than it did to field 20 (before upgrades), I'd say those 10 more are definitely warranted.

Alternatively, take squads of 9, 9, and 10, putting Calgar in squad 1 and Tigurius (or whoever) in squad 2, and pay about 10 points more for those 28 Honor guard than you did for them in 5th.

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:


We do play 2.5k games and I already have 20 HG... maybe its time to build ten more

Considering it only costs maybe 60 points more to field 30 than it did to field 20 (before upgrades), I'd say those 10 more are definitely warranted.

Alternatively, take squads of 9, 9, and 10, putting Calgar in squad 1 and Tigurius (or whoever) in squad 2, and pay about 10 points more for those 28 Honor guard than you did for them in 5th.

It gets even better, if the point values for upgrades stay the same, it'll cost you only 555 pts for 3 units of 5 Honor Guard, ALL WITH RELIC BLADES!

Damn, I'm ACTUALLY considering UM now...

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


It gets even better, if the point values for upgrades stay the same, it'll cost you only 555 pts for 3 units of 5 Honor Guard, ALL WITH RELIC BLADES!

Damn, I'm ACTUALLY considering UM now...

That sounds nasty, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Delivering those models to their target is always tough, so I think I'd personally opt for more models, giving 1 or 2 relic blades and the company champ a TH, than go all relic blades.

I could see an opponent chewing through 6-7 Honor Guard in a turn with a bunch of plasma/small arms fire, so three units of five could become three units of three pretty quick, while losing 7 of 30 still means you've got 23 Honor guard ready to charge next turn.

Either way though, 25 points for a 2+, power sword wielding model is a huge steal.

Edit: whoops

They will struggle GREATLY against terminator equivalents.

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


It gets even better, if the point values for upgrades stay the same, it'll cost you only 555 pts for 3 units of 5 Honor Guard, ALL WITH RELIC BLADES!

Damn, I'm ACTUALLY considering UM now...

That sounds nasty, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Delivering those models to their target is always tough, so I think I'd personally opt for more models, giving 1 or 2 relic blades and the company champ a TH, than go all relic blades.

I could see an opponent chewing through 6-7 Honor Guard in a turn with a bunch of plasma/small arms fire, so three units of five could become three units of three pretty quick, while losing 7 of 30 still means you've got 23 Honor guard ready to charge next turn.

Either way though, 25 points for a 2+, power sword wielding model is a huge steal.

A use I'm thinking about is to take 10, load them in a rhino, and sit them on an objective close to home, only popping out to claim it on turn 5. I really doubt that anyone could dislodge ten 2+ save guys, and if anyone tries, you shred them. It's an expensive setup, probably around 310 points, but it's probably as close to 3 guaranteed victory points as you can get.

Do you really believe honor guard will be scoring units??

 Lobukia wrote:

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
I'm sad cuz i thought that i would have perma tl tactical marines.

No, don't be It's at least as good, if not better now.
1) Our IF and Sally brothers' tactics have a point now
2) the once a game mechanic rewards good tactical decision making (something very UM)
3) when you need it, you can bust out the other two now... so you have a very flexible force (again, very UM)
4) its not crazy broken and us 20 year vets of the UM don't have to listen to as much whining this time around

As a 19 year UM vet, I totally agree with this statement; you hit the nail on the head with this.

Everything is useful now and I don't see any traits trumping others as originally believed. It comes down to you really playing like your chapter to make those critical tactical decisions.
All appear to be worthy.

 Largeblastmarker wrote:
They will struggle GREATLY against terminator equivalents.

True, luckily barely anyone takes termies anymore, more so now that hammernators are gonna be 5 points more...

spartiatis wrote:


Do you really believe honor guard will be scoring units??

Whoops, got a wire crossed there, nope. But they should be darn good denial units.

I've got to say, I think the standard dex art is the best of the bunch and the most desirable to own even before you get to the idiocy of double the price for a different cover for the limiteds.

Standard dex and a box of vanguards will likely cost less than the limited dex, I know where my money is going.

If it wasn't for double pricing I'd be tempted to get the Salamanders one, even though I'm a BA player. However, the ludicrous price of codices now means that the jump for just a different cover (one or two pages difference!) is far too great, particularly when that nmoney can go to buying a Sternguard or Vanguard box.

I may not even get the SM codex this time around.

The WD batrep is interesting; if the BT player's been running 16 dudes in a BT LRC for years he's been cheating.

NoggintheNog wrote:
I've got to say, I think the standard dex art is the best of the bunch and the most desirable to own even before you get to the idiocy of double the price for a different cover for the limiteds.

Standard dex and a box of vanguards will likely cost less than the limited dex, I know where my money is going.

but but but you get to be 1 of 500 chumps. are you really going to pass up that opportunity?

 jah-joshua wrote:
the new White Dwarf pics sre pretty cool...
Forge Word steal the show again, with Erebus and Kor Phaeron...
ironically enough, the Tac Squad looks to be the best new kit of the release...
relatively cheap, and loads of cool new bits...

i'm looking forward to reading this issue on Friday...

cheers
jah

Actually I think the two look rather poor. Erabus (power armour guy?) is too blinged up, though apart from that I don't mind him too much, but the other guylooks as dorky as the Termitubbies; his arms look really short, as do his legs because of his overall fatness (even compared with regular terminators) and his face looks like he's taking a crap.

Does anyone know if the razorback will retain the options like the twinlinked plasma and lascannon setup? I just modded 3 razorbacks like this and it would seriously suck if that option was no longer present!

 Instinctual wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:

 Instinctual wrote:
Hmm, was eyeballing the WD pics and spotted the Sternguard listing as follows (Under Sword Brethren):

10 Sternguard Vets for 295 pts
1 Heavy Flamer
2 Combi-gravs
Castellan (Sgt) with:
1 grav pistol
1 power sword
Melta Bomb

Assuming the Sternguard are 22pts apiece as per rumor, this would mean 220pts, leaving 75pts for upgrades.
Assuming no change in price for the HF, PS, and Melta Bombs (10,15,5) you're down to 45 points for the grav weapons.
If the rumors are true, and combi-weps are indeed 10pts a piece for Sterns, that means that Grav Pistol cost 25pts.
It is possible that the combi-gravs are specifically more expensive (15pts?), due to rare tech or whatnot, which would make the pistol 15pts as well.
I'm assuming there is no cost to upgrade to a Vet Sgt aka DAs, as the entire unit is made up of 1st Company Veterans after all
What do you guys think?
Do I have the points right, and what do you think this means for the cost of grav weapons if this is true?

I thought I had read something about Heavy Flamers costing more this edition. I don't remember where, but I thought their cost went up 5 pts or something.

If so, and assuming no Sgt upgrade cost and 10pt combis, that would make the Grav pistol 20pts or so.

Aren't Sternguard 125 for 5, then 22 each for additions? That would put them at 235 base for 10, 60 points for upgrades. 10 for HF, 10 for combi-weapon, 5 for melta bomb, 15 for sword, 10 for pistol.

All I see is that they became 5 points more expensive and that some options will change in cost...

 Lobukia wrote:
It could be worse... Try Cubs and the World Series


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Back OT. I can't decided which to get: UM LE or the standard dex. Torn inside.

Ok you the internet today.

I say get the regular edition and the money saved buy some more plastic crack.


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DogofWar1 wrote:
Honor Guard seem pretty awesome, and they might be worth building a list around. While there has been a proliferation of AP2 weapons, if I can stuff 30 honor guard into a list at around 260 per 10 (25 per model, and 35 for Chapter Champion), you can fit 30 of those 2+, Power sword wielding bad boys in with 780 points, and that is a lot of 2+ armor that has to be dealt with, and quickly, before they decide to charge. Sure, Calgar eats up another 275 points, and you still need troops, but that force could be very potent.

Maybe take Calgar, three tactical squads in drop pods with meltagun load outs, and then three Honor guard squads in drop pods. Tac squads pop vehicles before the Honor guard come in. Without upgrades, doing that with 5 man Tac squads runs 1545 for 3x 5man Tac squads, 3x10 man Honor guard, and Calgar in Terminator armor.

On second thought, maybe it's best to do this at 2500.

Still, dealing with 30 honor guard with 2+ saves all around would be really tough. If nothing else, they are at least worth considering investing in, whereas before I never even considered them seriously.

A few grav guns should ruin your day.

NoggintheNog wrote:
I've got to say, I think the standard dex art is the best of the bunch and the most desirable to own even before you get to the idiocy of double the price for a different cover for the limiteds.

Standard dex and a box of vanguards will likely cost less than the limited dex, I know where my money is going.

I feel the same way. The collectors are really out there price wise. Double price for a dust jacket?

Davor wrote:

DogofWar1 wrote:
Honor Guard seem pretty awesome, and they might be worth building a list around. While there has been a proliferation of AP2 weapons, if I can stuff 30 honor guard into a list at around 260 per 10 (25 per model, and 35 for Chapter Champion), you can fit 30 of those 2+, Power sword wielding bad boys in with 780 points, and that is a lot of 2+ armor that has to be dealt with, and quickly, before they decide to charge. Sure, Calgar eats up another 275 points, and you still need troops, but that force could be very potent.

Maybe take Calgar, three tactical squads in drop pods with meltagun load outs, and then three Honor guard squads in drop pods. Tac squads pop vehicles before the Honor guard come in. Without upgrades, doing that with 5 man Tac squads runs 1545 for 3x 5man Tac squads, 3x10 man Honor guard, and Calgar in Terminator armor.

On second thought, maybe it's best to do this at 2500.

Still, dealing with 30 honor guard with 2+ saves all around would be really tough. If nothing else, they are at least worth considering investing in, whereas before I never even considered them seriously.

The Tau Master Race is going to ruin your day.

Fix'd to reflect the terrible truth about why the Honor Guard is still a bad option.

Just to give you guys a little preview of the rough draft I have created for the army I plan to build! I was able to get a great deal for some Crisis Suits that I had and was able to purchase x5 Drop Pods and x2 Stormtalons for them and this is what I am planning so let me know what you think! :



Now just to make sure, will x5 man Tac Squads be able to take Drop Pods like the Space Wolf Codex? Or will they have to be x10 man (looked on here could not find it). Also any word if Thunderfire Cannons will remain or be relentless? Thanks for helping a new Space Marine player out!

If I had the money I would get one of the limited editions in a heartbeat.

Price doesnt even really bother me, it is a luxury, luxury item(same as any miniature wargame)

Then again for me it is never about the actual price, but how much it is worth to me. If it costs the same as or less than its value, you buy it. If not you dont. Dat micro 101.

Still, I am looking forward to seeing how everything is specifically priced. With he change in cost for combi weapons it might make more sense to just get 1-2 of the actual special weapon. especially for flamers which are usually 5 points compared to 10 for a combi flamer. Then if you dont need em anymore you can just make them the first casualties.

Hadn't noticed this before, but the two marines - second from the right and second from the left do not have the same torso as the marine on the far right who has the heresy style torso.

Here's hoping they're corvus torsos. The posing of the marines has been done in such a way to hide the centre of the torso on both of them.