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Saythings wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
No I meant Take MOST Comers, as opposed to Take All Comers. Of course for BA, we generally strive for Take One Comer.

That last part about BA made me laugh out loud! Too funny.

Funny but sad. Makes me think of avoid playing BA.

I would have to say Tau.

 SheSpits wrote:
I would have to say Tau.

Not with mech Eldar. I've battled Tau two times and it was at the loosing end.

stop crying about everything in 6ed, enjoy the game.

Stop pretending that wargames are a science!

Commander OB wrote:
Dont get butt hurt if you loose! This game has come down to who can play better tactics then the other. If you think you have an awesome list and your opponents hasnt got a chance, remember you had best pray to the dice gods that your arrogance wont be your undoing.

If you're loose wouldn't your butt be less hurt?

In all fairness that is good advice but, at the risk of sounding lManike a naysayers here are some must-not-buys:

Mandrakes (although they're awesome models)
Using supllies to convert Khadukerah the Decrapitator
Mutilators
Possessed (although their models and bits are awesome)
Ogryns
Banshees
Tau Flyers

 RancidHate wrote:

Commander OB wrote:
Dont get butt hurt if you loose! This game has come down to who can play better tactics then the other. If you think you have an awesome list and your opponents hasnt got a chance, remember you had best pray to the dice gods that your arrogance wont be your undoing.

If you're loose wouldn't your butt be less hurt?

In all fairness that is good advice but, at the risk of sounding lManike a naysayers here are some must-not-buys:

Mandrakes (although they're awesome models)
Using supllies to convert Khadukerah the Decrapitator
Mutilators
Possessed (although their models and bits are awesome)
Ogryns
Banshees
Tau Flyers

How dare you not put Pyrovores at the top of your list.

light transports.

Just don't bother. If it's an assault vehicle, there's some merit to it. Otherwise, it's just not good. Giving away first blood is a terrible thing, as I see many games come down to it.

Matt2429 wrote:

Commander OB wrote:
Dont get butt hurt if you loose! This game has come down to who can play better tactics then the other. If you think you have an awesome list and your opponents hasnt got a chance, remember you had best pray to the dice gods that your arrogance wont be your undoing.

I have to chime in here on this one, the game is 40% tactics and 60% dice rolls. You can be as tactical as you want but if you cant roll higher than a 2 your pretty much screwed in all aspects.

Like I said you had best sacrifice ur dog or first born to the dice gods if you think you will win

 ductvader wrote:

 RancidHate wrote:

Commander OB wrote:
Dont get butt hurt if you loose! This game has come down to who can play better tactics then the other. If you think you have an awesome list and your opponents hasnt got a chance, remember you had best pray to the dice gods that your arrogance wont be your undoing.

If you're loose wouldn't your butt be less hurt?

In all fairness that is good advice but, at the risk of sounding lManike a naysayers here are some must-not-buys:

Mandrakes (although they're awesome models)
Using supllies to convert Khadukerah the Decrapitator
Mutilators
Possessed (although their models and bits are awesome)
Ogryns
Banshees
Tau Flyers

How dare you not put Pyrovores at the top of your list.

My bad dawg, I not too familiar with Tyranids.

 SheSpits wrote:
I would have to say Tau.

If I may so rudely intrude on this conversation to rep an army that everyone is going to hate..... do the opposite. Play Tau, they made a game of stagnant rules into a game of forever changing battle grounds.

A game of forever changing battle grounds where the Tau sit at the other end and shoot all day?

 Extreaminatus wrote:
A game of forever changing battle grounds where the Tau sit at the other end and shoot all day?

Agreed.

Not knowing your own rules. You have to understand the games rules, your armies' rules, and if you know your enemies rules, even better.

Don't start with your Dark Eldar infantry in transportrs: they'll all die when it blows.

Don't start with them on the board either. They'll get shot to death with no save by everything above a grot shoota.

So in retrospect, don't field Dark Eldar, period.

Don't get alpha striked by IG or Tau. Its never ends well.

Think outside the box. Most people use the same army's list and use more or less the same strategies.

Mobility is king. Get to the enemies line in as good an order as you can so as to present too many choices for them to deal with all at once. Use things like spawn and small deep striking squads to silence and tie up annoying stuff. I tend to infiltrate units of nurgle spawn as close as I can to units I don't like and get tucked into them as fast as possible. This often means things like broadsides only get 1 turn to fire before they are either dead or tied up forever. Don't rely on your flyers. I don't focus on AA as I have shot down so many flyers with infantry I don't bother spending points on special AA units. I also expect my flyer to get shot down every game. He never has but that's a helldrake for you. Cover is your friend even against tau. Sure he can take it away but that means he's not making his stuff more accurate. When in doubt avoid the heavy hitters until you have killed the support units. REMEMBER THE BLOODY OBJECTIVE. I have seen way to many people become obsessed with killing my oblits, mutilators, spawn, and drake to bother killing my marines camping the objectives.

Dont take Psykers when you face off against Eldar... They will deny the witch out of you....

Dont deepstrike and expect to be able to charge next turn...

Dont charge a 20 man Necron warrior squad with 5 or below models >.< They will overwatch the gak out of you...

 Extreaminatus wrote:
A game of forever changing battle grounds where the Tau sit at the other end and shoot all day?

Who said they do that? I certainly don't. Tau aren't just the gunline, shoot at everything that gets close army anymore. Your concept of 6th edition Tau is very different than mine.

 TheCadreofFi'rios wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
A game of forever changing battle grounds where the Tau sit at the other end and shoot all day?

Who said they do that? I certainly don't. Tau aren't just the gunline, shoot at everything that gets close army anymore. Your concept of 6th edition Tau is very different than mine.

Tau in a broad sense mightn't be 'gunline, shoot at everything that gets close', but good Tau are.

Avoid following the meta. AV14 goes a long way in the Xenos heavy meta. All lists (in 6th edition) will have their weaknesses. Play to your playstyle, not what others bring. The meta will always change. You're playstyle doesn't have to. You can make any list work with the correct tactics.

It's not the list, it's you.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 TheCadreofFi'rios wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
A game of forever changing battle grounds where the Tau sit at the other end and shoot all day?

Who said they do that? I certainly don't. Tau aren't just the gunline, shoot at everything that gets close army anymore. Your concept of 6th edition Tau is very different than mine.

Tau in a broad sense mightn't be 'gunline, shoot at everything that gets close', but good Tau are.

Yeah, it's why I refuse to play against the Tau people in my area any more. It's always, "Stay in corner with Skyshield, never leave, always shoot." It's just a less than fun army to go against as CSM, really.

Gunlines will always be the boring games.

Regardless of how good or bad they might be.

Gunlines - so much fun to disrupt.

Look at them like fliers: Do you bring an ADL? If so, and no flie shows up - you still have a decent gun and decent cover. Not really a waste.

Bring infiltrators, or deep strikers, or something else that can eat up ground quicker than your opponent expects. If no gun line shows up - you still have some fun units that can play havoc with your opponent's battle plan. Or grab objectives suddenly. Or assassinate something important...

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Zagman wrote:

Matt2429 wrote:

Commander OB wrote:
Dont get butt hurt if you loose! This game has come down to who can play better tactics then the other. If you think you have an awesome list and your opponents hasnt got a chance, remember you had best pray to the dice gods that your arrogance wont be your undoing.

I have to chime in here on this one, the game is 40% tactics and 60% dice rolls. You can be as tactical as you want but if you cant roll higher than a 2 your pretty much screwed in all aspects.

I have to disagree. Its more like 100% tactics +/- 50% due to probability.

A good player will wind more often and more consistently, but there are no guarantees.

How could a game be 150% tactics?

because it is a strategery game

GWB

Don't charge tighly packed Tau.

 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
I'll start off by saying Don't put your Khorne Bezerkers in a rhino 2' away from the enemy...

Scratch that, Assualt troops and rhinos [or an other non assualt transports] just don't mix.

 sing your life wrote:
Don't charge tighly packed Tau.

 Tyranidcrusher wrote:
I'll start off by saying Don't put your Khorne Bezerkers in a rhino 2' away from the enemy...

Scratch that, Assualt troops and rhinos [or an other non assualt transports] just don't mix.

Besides for cheaper BA Razorbacks...

Don't take low armor vehicles, even eldar war walkers are overrated. Their "mobility" doesn't make up for the fact that they will die to almost every gun ever.

Shooting and psykers are king. Look to the new SM codex for a bonkers librarian and ally with him.

Some assault units are ok, but shooting for it's traditional reasons are king.

With all that said play the game your way, if you like khorne berserkers, berserk away.

 Spellbound wrote:
light transports.

Just don't bother. If it's an assault vehicle, there's some merit to it. Otherwise, it's just not good. Giving away first blood is a terrible thing, as I see many games come down to it.

Not sure I agree. At least, I consider light Transports to be things like Rhinos and Wave Serpents.

The former is necessary to protect marines that die very easily now, and the latter essentially forces you to HP it to death AFTER you get through its 4+ cover.

I agree with first blood being important, but there are a lot of games I've had where it was irrelevant OR I simply get first blood before my opponent.

Depending on who you are playing against, Transport or not, they are going to get first blood regardless.