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Not thrilled with these rumors, if true. GW needs to stop changing unit composition. They don't screw around with options for Tactical squads, reducing viable builds, so they shouldn't do so for Veteran squads either.

Truth be told, the only nerf in those rumors that needs to be adopted pertains to Vendettas, and they only need a 20 point increase maximum. Hydras could go to 100 if they gain Interceptor. Other than that, the codex needs buffs, not nerfs. It needs to be able to compete with codices like Tau, basically ignoring cover and the Assault Phase whenever convenient, or Necrons, with their ridiculously undercosted 100 point dedicated transport that flies, has an amazing gun, and magically protects the unit inside no matter what happens to the transport.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Truth be told, the only nerf in those rumors that needs to be adopted pertains to Vendettas, and they only need a 20 point increase maximum.

That would still leave it vastly superior to any other 6th edition flyer bar the Heldrake. No.

I really hope they don't take out Bastogne cause he's not the best but I love his fluff!

cert wrote:

 Bonde wrote:


The only tank model that doesn't have at model from either FW or GW is the Colossus. Many people thought that the FW Bombard is the correct model, but that is a Leman Russ size chassis, while the Colossus is a Chimera size chassis.

Not according to FW themselves as they refer to the Bombard as being a Colossus, in addition to this it really only uses the tracks of a leman russ and rule wise it has the exact same armour values as a chimera.

Ahh, I didn't know that. It's just that the track size is still slightly off, and the Bombard used to have very different rules from the Colossus.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Bonde wrote:
The only tank model that doesn't have at model from either FW or GW is the Colossus. Many people thought that the FW Bombard is the correct model, but that is a Leman Russ size chassis, while the Colossus is a Chimera size chassis.

Looking at the Shadowsword, the Colossus would be easy to bundle with the Basilisk/Medusa- Just make the cannon modular like the shadowsword gun- have the breech/gun body with a short wide barrel as the Colossus. For the Medusa, a tapered barrel cap that extends the gun and makes it a smaller muzzle. For the Basilisk, a long thin barrel that plugs into the body to make an earthshaker.

I agree, GW could still very well pull off a triple kit for those tanks, but then we still need to get a plastic Hydra kit, perhaps paired with another new tank.

I'm surprised they're doing this before orks but maybe they feel its an OP dex.

 BigJP wrote:
I'm surprised they're doing this before orks but maybe they feel its an OP dexquote]
Uhhh... What?

Other than the vendetta IG really isn't a big problem anymore. Pretty sure Tau and Eldar are the in armies to hate right now. Especially if you don't give us access to allies and FW.

Can't wait for some IG hardware.Just hope GW delivers the goods till then i'll continue building a few home build conversion using other models.

Wait, people actually like the bobble head Cadians?

orkybenji wrote:
Wait, people actually like the bobble head Cadians?

Yes, and that's a stupid and insulting term for them.



Those guys are quite clearly not "bobble heads". If you want to make a thread saying nothing but variations of "GW sucks and everything they do is rubbish, the money gauging lenton-loving spankers" then do so. Or even if you feel the need to spontaniously ejaculate your opinion about Cadian shock troopers into this thread, at least be articulate and explain what it is you dislike about them.

But please don't simply make gak up about how awful they look when quite clearly, they are not "bobble heads".

xruslanx wrote:

orkybenji wrote:
Wait, people actually like the bobble head Cadians?

Yes, and that's a stupid and insulting term for them.



Those guys are quite clearly not "bobble heads". If you want to make a thread saying nothing but variations of "GW sucks and everything they do is rubbish, the money gauging lenton-loving spankers" then do so. Or even if you feel the need to spontaniously ejaculate your opinion about Cadian shock troopers into this thread, at least be articulate and explain what it is you dislike about them.

But please don't simply make gak up about how awful they look when quite clearly, they are not "bobble heads".

Was your father a Cadian? You seem to be taking this very seriously.

One of the problems with the "heroic" scale of a lot of GW models is that to make it look cool, or expressive, they need to make things larger. Cadians show this very well, though their helmets dont really help matters from a 'not looking like a bobble head' point of view.

Take a peek at a comparison between a Cadian in a helmet vs a better scaled DKoK from forgeworld in a fully enclosed helmet with gasmask.



The less heroic sculpt scale and resin medium mean they can be a lot closer to reality (at the cost of being more expensive and time consuming, queue Resin vs Plastic debate)

Marine Sargeants suffer from the same thing, as their bare heads are just a fraction smaller than the normal mk VII helmet that most of the other marines wear.


TL;DR

Yes, Cadians can look a bit bobblehead-y, but they are far from the only GW model to be so.

Yeah, compared to even the old metal models (valhallans etc.) the plastic can'cadians do look naff, catachans even more so.

Here's hoping.for a new plastic infantry kit

Not bobbleheads, but still waiting to see the Spaceballs army.

I just look forward to seeing what is actually done in the new dex.

So have there been any more real rumors, or is this thread just kind of meandering off topic?

God more Vendetta whining in 2013 when Tau & Eldar are the ones punching face atm. One flyer is going to the best. Nerf it and you get issues of typical GW selling you something 'op' then making it junk so you have to buy more stuff to fill your points.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Truth be told, the only nerf in those rumors that needs to be adopted pertains to Vendettas, and they only need a 20 point increase maximum.

That would still leave it vastly superior to any other 6th edition flyer bar the Heldrake. No.

I don't think so ballistic skill 3 really does suck. Even with twin linked my vendetta rarely performs well at all.

I just posted in the wrong thread, curse you tabs. I'd appreciate it if some kindly mod could delete this.

The simple fix for the much maligned Vendetta is to make it AV11, add 20pts, move it to Heavy Support, remove Squadron option, done. It'll have enough competition there to make it an actual choice, unlike the HS slot where it's far and away superior to anything else in the slot.

 Vaktathi wrote:
The simple fix for the much maligned Vendetta is to make it AV11, add 20pts, move it to Heavy Support, remove Squadron option, done. It'll have enough competition there to make it an actual choice, unlike the HS slot where it's far and away superior to anything else in the slot.

I don't even like vendettas and I still think that's way too extreme of a nerf. Putting it at AV 11/11/10 with its current price alone would be a solid nerf. Maybe tack a few points on if needed.

We don't need more heavy support options, that slot is way too crowded as is.

Eh, I own 3 , and just the AV11 drop still leaves it vastly superior to most other flyers. The Eldar fighter is AV10 with similar firepower (i've leave the debate of 4 S8 shots at Bs4 and 2 with lance vs 3 TL BS3 S9 guns to another thread) but is AV10 and is significantly more expensive than the Vendetta.

The ability to take 3 AND all the heavies makes it really over powered.

Its rather under priced for what it does, and the ability to take multiples lets it dominate the skies.

all vendettas need is av 11 and 20 points increase. Yes it'd still be op but so what? Some things will always be more powerful than others, as long as it doesn't take the piss then nobody cares.

Currently it's taking, "the piss".

All of it.

I love how people bitch about Vendettas, when their role is anti-tank in an infantry-heavy edition riddled with ridiculous fliers like Heldrakes, which are far more survivable and have a superior weapon, and Night Scythes, which are 30 points cheaper, have a weapon that is better suited to the current meta, can be taken as a dedicated transport, and provides idiot-proof passenger protection for a troops choice.

If Vendettas were so amazing, you'd see IG winning tournaments galore. As it is, Daemons, Tau, and Eldar are roflstomping everybody. Even with Vendettas, IG doesn't compete in the current meta. I am completely lost as to why people are whining about them.

One amazing unit isn't going to mean that the army is going to win tons of tournaments. It does make it a crutch however, which is never good for a codex, not that IG are the only ones facing that, much the same can be said of the Heldrake.
Also, lascannons are effective against a lot more than just tanks, they're highly effective against heavy infantry and MC's as well, especially with 48" range, and against other flyers they're golden. If the vendetta were taken down a peg or two and IG medium armor and infantry were made more capable, I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

Remove the Vendetta, give me Vultures or give me nothing!

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remove the Vendetta, give me Vultures or give me nothing!

In the current meta, a Vulture would be a lot more useful - we can take anti-tank everywhere, but taking Punishers on Vector Dancing fliers is pretty boss. At least people wouldn't be moaning about Vendettas anymore.

The only issue with losing the Vendetta is that it basically leaves IG completely vulnerable to Heldrakes. S5 can't even scratch the paint.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remove the Vendetta, give me Vultures or give me nothing!

In the current meta, a Vulture would be a lot more useful - we can take anti-tank everywhere, but taking Punishers on Vector Dancing fliers is pretty boss. At least people wouldn't be moaning about Vendettas anymore.

The only issue with losing the Vendetta is that it basically leaves IG completely vulnerable to Heldrakes. S5 can't even scratch the paint.

Its not like we have hydras or anything similar that can handle fliers...

What it really needs is a new Gunship subtype of flier: cannot shoot while zooming.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
What it really needs is a new Gunship subtype of flier: cannot shoot while zooming.

Agreed. Give the Valk/Vendetta the Gunship rule, drop it to AV11, and make the Vendetta just an upgrade for the Valk (say the Valk comes base with Hellfury/Hellstrike Missiles and a multilaser, can upgrade the Multilaser for a Lascannon for 10 points or a TL LAs for 15, can wap the missiles for a pair of rocket pods for 30 points or a pair of TL Lascannons for 40 points. Then GW could add another flier, like a version of the Thunderbolt (an old model that GW did first) as an AA flier.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
drop it to AV11,

Why? Such a change would be much more horrific for the fate of the Valkyrie, would break the established fluff around its AV, and would make your proposed cost changes overkill as it would be bad at that point already.