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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think GW has a "policy" on left handed minis.

GW surprises us all

To be honest all I realy hope for is that I don't have to buy new models to male a Legal List. The 5th ed was the 1st one that I was ever able to do that with.

To be fair, most of the new codexes have built upon previous strengths, and have shifted strengths rather than totally redesigned them, at least in the case of books which weren't badly outdated. Out of all of them, only Tau and Chaos got a pretty major shift in what you needed to do well with a strong focus on new models. I imagine there might be some re-equipping of wargear on existing Guard armies, a shift in focus way from vendettas and mechvets to something else, but without invalidating those options, at least as far as general play goes.

Truly, I'm hoping they make Tankguard a more viable force; every faction has their niche or unique flavour which has been catered to with the new books, with Chaos as a notable exception (seemingly as always, but I digress). For me, I've always associated the Imperial Guard with armour and artillery, something none of the so-far updated armies are particularly geared towards. Eldar's as close as it gets, I think, given Wave Serpents, so I want to see the Glorious Leman Russ made a bit better.

This may or may not have something to do with the veritable motor pool of them I've got. I've lucked out with Marines, as I had a ton of honour guard when they sucked. Maybe my 20 stormtroopers and 11 Russes will soon become the bane of the tabletop!

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Truly, I'm hoping they make Tankguard a more viable force

They've already got that, it's called Armored Battle Group.

Where are the rules for said Armoured Battle Group?

Imperial Armor, I forget which volume.

vol 2 i think. completely legal (unless you play tourney in that case ask your TO) but not bound by the "ask your opponent for permission" rule.

I play Armoured Battlegroup quite often, while fun, it's not exactly viable.

Can't score anything, and russes aren't exactly key powerhouses in the era of Eldar and hullpoints.

 Snrub wrote:
Yeah Happygrunt that pic was confirmed fake in this thread.
It's easy to tell it's a fake though. They're all left handed.

Silly Games Workshop. There are no left handed people in the Forty-first millennium. Everyone knows they were all eradicated in the great left-right wars of M23.

GW have flipped the box art images before, as well as left in all sorts of editing mistakes. I'm not saying this is a real box, but lefties on the box isn't completely unlikely.

 Sir Arun wrote:
vol 2 i think. completely legal (unless you play tourney in that case ask your TO) but not bound by the "ask your opponent for permission" rule.

I think a lot of people want tank armies in an 'official' setting, i.e. In the actual codex. Not only would this cut down on arguements, but we might get our own warlord table, specifically written for a vehicle hq!

TIL Imperial Armour books "aren't official".


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Herzlos wrote:
GW have flipped the box art images before, as well as left in all sorts of editing mistakes. I'm not saying this is a real box, but lefties on the box isn't completely unlikely.

The fact that the reflections don't match the minis and they're clearly the old metal sculpts would seem to be to be pretty big giveaways, too.

 Bull0 wrote:
TIL Imperial Armour books "aren't official".


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Herzlos wrote:
GW have flipped the box art images before, as well as left in all sorts of editing mistakes. I'm not saying this is a real box, but lefties on the box isn't completely unlikely.

The fact that the reflections don't match the minis and they're clearly the old metal sculpts would seem to be to be pretty big giveaways, too.

They are official, though.

Yeah, if we've got to the point where putting something stupid in speechmarks doesn't denote obvious sarcasm, I give up.

It's ok, I thought it was "funny".

I see what you "did there".

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
TIL Imperial Armour books "aren't official".


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Herzlos wrote:
GW have flipped the box art images before, as well as left in all sorts of editing mistakes. I'm not saying this is a real box, but lefties on the box isn't completely unlikely.

The fact that the reflections don't match the minis and they're clearly the old metal sculpts would seem to be to be pretty big giveaways, too.

They are official, though.

Not to everyone. Also if armoured battlegroups were in the main codex they could nave access to scoring units, warlord traits, maybe even vehicle-mounted relics.

I don't think "official" means what you think it means.

xruslanx wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
TIL Imperial Armour books "aren't official".


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Herzlos wrote:
GW have flipped the box art images before, as well as left in all sorts of editing mistakes. I'm not saying this is a real box, but lefties on the box isn't completely unlikely.

The fact that the reflections don't match the minis and they're clearly the old metal sculpts would seem to be to be pretty big giveaways, too.

They are official, though.

Not to everyone. Also if armoured battlegroups were in the main codex they could nave access to scoring units, warlord traits, maybe even vehicle-mounted relics.

I guess the law isn't in effect to everyone, either

I'm fine with people not playing FW, but, as Peregrine likes to point out, that's just a houserule.

And I think it's the point of Armored Battlegroup that you can't claim objectives etc.

Wait can't Armored Battle Group armies take a Chimera with Melta vets as scoring? Only their Russes cant score I think.

Also, speaking of 6th edition and HPs, remember that 6th edition also means you can park 4 russes behind an aegis defence line. I'd like to see your opponent get past AV 14 and a 4+ cover save all the while being in perfect LoS and range. As long as the ABG player takes some kind of countermeasure to deep striking (make a conga line of an allied 20 man squad of eldar guardians with rending shuriken at the AV 10 backs of the tanks? ), he should be fine.

Why can't they score?, they are troops choices, and nowhere is there a rule that says that they can't score like with BA DC or scarabs or ripper swarms...

This is like a general discussion thread now with no updates for 2 months, and even that update is completely suspect..

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Why can't they score?, they are troops choices, and nowhere is there a rule that says that they can't score like with BA DC or scarabs or ripper swarms...

ABG special rules state they cant score, I think. You need to have a copy of Imperial Armor vol. 2 at hand to check. But I dunno if this applies to vets in chimeras as well.

 Kirasu wrote:
This is like a general discussion thread now with no updates for 2 months, and even that update is completely suspect..

I agree 100%. There's nothing to see but wish listing and speculation. This thread should stay quiet until there's some "there, there", IMHO.

I want a rough rider army so I can have Theodore Roosevelt launching a bike from the back end of hovering valkyrie while shooting guns into the air. Then I'll do a George Washington Commando army.

'Murica

 BunkerBob wrote:
I want a rough rider army so I can have Theodore Roosevelt launching a bike from the back end of hovering valkyrie while shooting guns into the air. Then I'll do a George Washington Commando army.

'Murica

No idea what was just said here except it was born of liquid awesome and the good ol' American spirit.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Why can't they score?, they are troops choices, and nowhere is there a rule that says that they can't score like with BA DC or scarabs or ripper swarms...

ABG special rules state they cant score, I think. You need to have a copy of Imperial Armor vol. 2 at hand to check. But I dunno if this applies to vets in chimeras as well.

Just Checked the IA 1 second edition, nothing in there that says that ABG Russes in troops arn't scoring, just that due to the nature of the list, it might be difficult to hold objectives only with thoses and that its a good idea to always have a fex Armoured Fist squads for that and that such a list is a challenge to play and try.

i think IA 1 is outdated.

Also, 6th edition says vehicles arent scoring, not even dedicated transports with a scoring unit in them, as long as it doesnt disembark. that must be it.

xruslanx wrote:
Not to everyone. Also if armoured battlegroups were in the main codex they could nave access to scoring units, warlord traits, maybe even vehicle-mounted relics.

The ABG list in IA1 has these things already. All it needs is for GW to say "STFU you idiots, FW is part of the game and you're TFG if you won't accept it".


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 Sir Arun wrote:
i think IA 1 is outdated.

Nope. It's a current 6th edition list with warlord traits/HP/etc. It will probably need updating soon when the new codex arrives, but for now it's just fine.

 Sir Arun wrote:
i think IA 1 is outdated.

Also, 6th edition says vehicles arent scoring, not even dedicated transports with a scoring unit in them, as long as it doesnt disembark. that must be it.

IA1 SECOND EDITION, is the updated for 6th Ed book of the IG.

Its true that transports for Troops units doesn't count has Troop units, and can't score, even if a Troop unit is in it, but thats the only restriction.

Since Leman Russes in a ABG are not transports, and are real troops choices, they score has any other Troops choice.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Since Leman Russes in a ABG are not transports, and are real troops choices, they score has any other Troops choice.

No they do not. Vehicles never score or deny, even when they are troops, unless they have a special rule that specifically makes them scoring. The tanks in the ABG list are non-scoring troops units, and there's even a note in the introduction that talks about how objectives will be difficult for you and you have to balance tank spam vs. getting some scoring units onto objectives and keeping them alive.