W40k : Imperial Guard 6th ed codex for early 2014 (updated nov. 8)

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**alarmingrick**

augustus5 wrote:
People have been wishlisting for Knights and plastic Thunderhawks forever. They will continue wishlisting for them, and never see them. No credibility to Knights being included in the IG codex. Had the SMs got some big model I might have been convinced otherwise, but it seems that not every codex is going to get one, and the IG have no need for one. There are plenty of great units/models already available. A plastic hydra would make much more sense.

I agree.
But would add the Hydra getting interceptor and a price bump.

**MajorStoffer**

Technically, Marines gimmick is ATSKNF, moreso than chapter tactics. If anything, I'd say the chapter tactics have more to do with "Forging a Narrative" than anything else, as they provide an incentive for themed armies, and are an attempt to bring marines into the somewhat effective category of codecii without majorly revamping the faction (incredibly difficult given the rainbow variety of them with their own books). Guard already have a similar system to the old Marine system of buy a character, get thematic rules with Straken, Chenkov and Al'Rahem as well.

With the Imperial Guard, the current book is very much a product of 5th ed when GW tried to take the competitive scene a little more seriously. There's very little flavour, but a number of effective builds, both generalist and specialist. It doesn't mesh well with the more casual nature of 6th as there's no real reason to do a themed list; just take the best of each FOC choice and hammer the enemy. Doctrines would serve a gameplay purpose, if similar to the SM ones, of encouraging footsloggers or tanks or artillery or whathaveyou, rather than a power axe blob backed by manticores, a vendetta with meltavets and a demolisher and eradicator. It could let them buff the weaker builds indirectly (footsloggers or chimera lists spring to mind, just like IH chapter tactic can make dreadnoughts not completely terrible) while providing reasons to keep the powerful stuff seperated. It would also make the more hobby oriented gamers happy, giving them a reason to buy more stuff to fit their theme. It could also be why the old metal Guard ranges are some of the only "collectors" items to survive the great specialist purge of '13.

Basically, there's gameplay, marketing and fluff reasons to do it, with a recently established precedent and actually have the model range to do it when everything else was canned.

**martin74**

A new varient of the Leman Russ would be nice.

14/13/10
twin link lascannon
all other normal options

Price this at about the plasma version, forgot the name, didn't bring codex to afghanistan.

Change the points on the punisher, maybe 15 lower.

**BrookM**

You mean the Leman Russ Annihilator?

**NuggzTheNinja**

Vintersorg wrote:
I call bs on the Knight. They are part of the Titan Legions on the Knight Worlds, not of the IG forces.
It wouldn't make much sense fluff-wise.

Is Officio Assassinorum part of the Grey Knights?

**Kanluwen**

Vintersorg wrote:
I call bs on the Knight. They are part of the Titan Legions on the Knight Worlds, not of the IG forces.
It wouldn't make much sense fluff-wise.

Considering that the Adeptus Mechanicus troops can effectively be considered "Guardsmen with Fiddly Bits", it's not impossible that the AM(who rumors have hinted at getting a Codex of their own--much like the Inquisition which instead got rolled into the Grey Knights book) could be rolled into the Guard book with a specific troop option 'unlocked' by a character ala Coteaz and Henchmen.

**FarseerAndyMan**

I would start another I.G. army JUST to get a bad arse giant stomping warmachine!!

**aka_mythos**

I think a Knight in the IG codex would be misplaced. That said why does it have to be a "Knight" and why not just a bigger sentinel?-Even then I think GW could come up with something better to give IG.

**Lockark**

aka_mythos wrote:
I think a Knight in the IG codex would be misplaced. That said why does it have to be a "Knight" and why not just a bigger sentinel?-Even then I think GW could come up with something better to give IG.

In all honesty a knight feels more at home in a IG book with Imperial Army and Imperial navy units then say a SM book.

Fluff wise it seems the adteptus mechanic fight alongside IG more often then SM.

**DemetriDominov**

There should be a larger version of the sentinel, like a golaith from SC. Also, why aren't there more "resistance" type fighters? Bring back booby traps, more options for stealth, and why not have an opportunity to "craft your own hero" by having an independent character that's the statline of a high leadership gaurdsmen? Give us back the opportunity to equip the IC any way we wish, and even pay for some aura traits like MTC. What happened to doctrines? Don't the SMs have unique abilities for each chapter, even the DIY's? Why can't we be rewarded by making a themed army, or even a blended one? Wouldn't the Vostroyans and Vahallans be a force to be reckoned with as would the Tallarans, Catachans, and the Tanith 1st and Onlys, or Elysia's droptroops and Cadia, or the DkoK and the Harkonian Warhawks? There's some serious potential we as gamers are missing out of. In the same token howerver, I do appreciate the streamlined codex of the last edition, so compartmetalizing each division of the IG is a must. But its not as though GW has any practice with that in the SMs....

**aka_mythos**

Lockark wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
I think a Knight in the IG codex would be misplaced. That said why does it have to be a "Knight" and why not just a bigger sentinel?-Even then I think GW could come up with something better to give IG.

In all honesty a knight feels more at home in a IG book with Imperial Army and Imperial navy units then say a SM book.

Fluff wise it seems the adteptus mechanic fight alongside IG more often then SM.

Well I don't believe Knights belong with either IG or SM. It isn't even as simple as saying Adeptus Mechanicus fight along the IG either... Knights are at best a formation more removed from the IG than any inquisitorial unit.

**scommy**

hmm tank destroyers yummm. Hope its a SU-152 lookalike, that has to be the most scary looking vehicle ever..

**sierra 1247**

a plastic thunderbolt does sound fun..

**Knighty**

MajorStoffer wrote:
Regimental Doctrines would make me extremely happy, and the SM precedent is there, but the Chaos precedent is also not there, so it could go either way I think. There's some easy ways to do it too, 2 orders for Cadians makes sense, move through cover/stealth in forests for Catachans, maybe something like BS4 chimeras for Steel Legion, better grav-chuting for drop troop units or valkyries as dedicated transports, larger max squads or somesuch for Valhallans, etc, etc.

Guard are supposed to be one of the most diverse military forces in the setting, and ought to see some way to represent it. The 4th ed book had a pretty complex and interesting, if not entirely balanced doctrine system with clear winners and losers, but they made a decent system for Marines.

I very much suspect that things like this will be in future supplements, and the codex with be generic guard/cadians

**motyak**

If there is actually a knight paladin, that model would definitely need to find its way into my hands (assuming its good). Even if it never sees the table, there is just so much potential (again, assuming its good)

**Iron Dragon**

I don't know if it was just a unique case, but a buddy of mine just ordered a Basilisk. When GW shipped it to the FLGS, it came in a standard cardboard box. There was no GW box, just the sprues, instructions and transfers inside of a plain brown cardboard box. I thought about it, if this isn't a unique case then perhaps GW still has the molds on standby for whenever people buy the Basilisk, but have stopped ordering new boxes because they have a new kit coming out soon? I'd imagine a big company like GW would have to order their kit boxes in bulk and they see no reason to get a bunch if their new kit is just a few months away?

It's all conjecture on my part, but I think it's interesting. Then again it may have just been some kind of hiccup in the system.

**MrMoustaffa**

I believe some of the Eldar models came like this a little while ago. I think I remember a FLGS owner complaining about it.

**Tannhauser42**

Interesting that GW would do that, given their most recent trading terms with store require the GW brand to be plastered all over the packaging to prove that it is an authentic GW product.

**derling**

MajorStoffer wrote:

With the Imperial Guard, the current book is very much a product of 5th ed when GW tried to take the competitive scene a little more seriously.
.

That statement strikes me funny, as it only works on the assumption the poster knows the unknowable.

To say the dev studio philosophy on codex design intentionally has made any effort one way or another regarding "competitive play"since 3rd editon(and maracay be 4th) strikes me as very unlikely.

Like most of their design philosophy, the rule design serves three functions:
1. sell models, ussually ones people haven't stocked up on yet
2. Sell more models, often by making poor selling choices more tantalizing
2. Make the game modestly balanced and let people derive some sense of fun in a group of like minded nerds and socially stunted man children who feel the vast quantities of time and money they've invested makes them the next Robert E. Lee or Norman Schwarzkopf.(of course the smartest man children know this last sentence is a lie and enjoy it for what it is....a reason to gather into herds inhaling 20oz sodas, curse at their bad luck in dice, and converse about how cannons with lasers on them Are cooler than cannons without lasers.

The IG codex design was an exploration of increasing model counts of all shapes and sizes married to a desire to throw in some crazy IG have been. What it will be this time, I do not know. I'm not sure if they'll get doctrine-esque rules. But it would bee nice to se one similar to HH rites of war. Steel legions, armored companies, air cavalry themed force selection without bulking up on special rules. Maybe you throw a special rule bone to catachans since you are supporting 2 plastic model ranges for a single army design. Trade armor save 6 for str4 or move through cover. Let's leave it to chance!
Drumroll please...

... Damn my luck.

**xruslanx**

if the point of codexes was to sell models, they'd let you bring squads of commissars and leman russes would be crap. But then you go onto insult 40k players. Classic dakka.

**ultimentra**

Iron Dragon wrote:
I don't know if it was just a unique case, but a buddy of mine just ordered a Basilisk. When GW shipped it to the FLGS, it came in a standard cardboard box. There was no GW box, just the sprues, instructions and transfers inside of a plain brown cardboard box. I thought about it, if this isn't a unique case then perhaps GW still has the molds on standby for whenever people buy the Basilisk, but have stopped ordering new boxes because they have a new kit coming out soon? I'd imagine a big company like GW would have to order their kit boxes in bulk and they see no reason to get a bunch if their new kit is just a few months away?

It's all conjecture on my part, but I think it's interesting. Then again it may have just been some kind of hiccup in the system.

I actually saw this recently at my FLGS, the basilisk was sitting on a shelf in a cardboard box and I thought man this must be like an on-sprue bassy that someone traded in for store credit, maybe its got a reduced price. Nope, still 50 bucks. I asked about it and my FLGS owner (not a games workshop, its a regular game store) said that this is part of GW weeding out its least-sold 40k products to make room for new ones as they came out.

I have the same sneaking suspicion that we will see the kit re-released with one additional sprue to make an official version of the Medusa, Colossus, etc along with a price hike to 65 dollars.

**brassangel**

I want to see more options, and a variety of lists that compete well with the other 6th edition books.

In other words, I want another 6th edition codex.

**derling**

xruslanx wrote:
if the point of codexes was to sell models, they'd let you bring squads of commissars and leman russes would be crap. But then you go onto insult 40k players. Classic dakka.

You misunderstand my point or I made it poorly in a vane attempt at being clever.

I play lots of 40k... My friends all play 40k. My name is in several GW army books. I'm the Herculean Man-Godling of a 40k nerd.

My elusive point was that the design studio never had a strong focus one way or the other regarding competitive play. They exist to sell models and provide us a fun time in the process. The comment about 5th being competitive play focus caught me funny, as that never seemed to be driven in discussions. That's all...

rats!

**xruslanx**

derling wrote:
xruslanx wrote:
if the point of codexes was to sell models, they'd let you bring squads of commissars and leman russes would be crap. But then you go onto insult 40k players. Classic dakka.

You misunderstand my point or I made it poorly in a vane attempt at being clever. I play lots of 40k... My friends all play 40k. My name is in several GW army books. I'm the Herculean Man-Godling of a 40k nerd.

My elusive point was that the design studio never had a strong focus one way or the other regarding competitive play. They exist to sell models and provide us a fun time in the process. The comment about 5th being competitive play focus caught me funny, as that never seemed to be driven in discussions. That's all...

rats!

My apologies, I miss-understood your post.

**derling**

xruslanx wrote:

My apologies, I miss-understood your post.

no worries, What I pass for dry humor looks considerably close to trolling. Also On DakkaDakka, I would have been suspect too

**Wuyley**

I heard someone talking that GW doesn't want to "cannibalize" forge world stuff anymore in their new codex's. Is that true? I was hoping that this new codex gave us those cool jeep models and a new Imperial Navy flyer.

**Peregrine**

Wuyley wrote:
I heard someone talking that GW doesn't want to "cannibalize" forge world stuff anymore in their new codex's. Is that true? I was hoping that this new codex gave us those cool jeep models and a new Imperial Navy flyer.

GW realized that it's better to make new models and keep selling the old one than to just move the FW model to plastic. So expect a completely new $100 flyer kit that you've never even seen mentioned in the fluff before so that you can buy one to go with your Thunderbolts.

**Palindrome**

Kanluwen wrote:

Considering that the Adeptus Mechanicus troops can effectively be considered "Guardsmen with Fiddly Bits"

That's only really true for Skitarii and their more common armour formations. GW isn't adverse to making shoddy fluff retcons though so they could simply make Knight Households Imperial in order to cram yet another mismatched 'cool' toy into a 28mm game. The concept of knights is sound and interesting, but only for Epic.

I suspect that most of these 'rumours' are complete bollocks

**Ravajaxe**

The sound from imperial artillery begins to resound back in the battlefield.

Here is some new stuff posted by Larry Vela on Bell of Lost Souls (front page updated) :

* Codex Imperial Guard launches in March 2014
* Look for many refreshes in the codex rules.
* Expanded command system with the return of Doctrines
* The missing IG tanks will be released:
- Griffon/Collosus/Medusa artillery kit
* Stormtroopers released
* Veterans released
--> These two infantry kits include many, many optional bits to build command squads and even penal troops.
* New centerpiece kit is a Horus Heresy era tank.

**Kroothawk**

Also this, already posted by pretre in another thread:

http://www.war-gamer.co.uk/updated-imperial-guard-rumours/

Noel at Wargamer wrote:
-‘Mission Objectives’ are potentially a new special rule for the Imperial Guard, although my channels are a little dry on this front, one can only begin to imagine what they do. I heard on the grapevine, that this special rule would allow even sergeants, to order ‘minor orders’ to their own unit.

-Formerly Forge World dominated vehicles will take a tour in the Imperial Guard codex. This means we could see such units as the Forge World Destroyer Tank Hunter as part of the upcoming codex. Although one finds it extremely unlikely they will receive a new plastic kit.

-Headquarters units have seen a massive shake up. Above the whole organisation, some units have been deleted, others modified. You start by buying a command squad, this is then changed by swapping the officer for a commissar, if one wishes too. The three present advisors have been retained, with the addition of the Primaris Psyker as a command squad advisor.

-Ministorum Priests are back in the same manner as before, this time though it has been rumoured they increase the ranged output of the unit, as well combat potential. Maybe in the form of the ‘preferred enemy’ special rule, who knows?

-The mighty (or not so mighty Enginseer) has stayed relatively the same, except for the transition from HQ to either Elite or Heavy Support. But what excites me the most, are their roles on the field of battle. Apparently they will act much like Royal Courts in the Necron army, bought with certain upgrades, then attached out to other units, to confer certain benefits to that unit.

-In terms of repacking, it is believed that special weapon squads will receive their own box set. This is also rumoured to be extended to veteran squads and heavy weapon teams. Coming in boxes of five models, with a wide variety of special equipment.

-Moving on from the veteran weapon squads re-boxing, it is believed that they will be changing their position on the battlefield. With smaller squad sizes, veterans seem to be taking a fire support role, that focuses on battlefield specialisation.

-Vendetta and Valkyrie gunship’ will more than likely be streamlined into one unit. Also it is believed that the squadron option will be lost, and an increase in points to balance out the power of Vendetta and Valkyrie gunship’ in sixth edition.