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Im sure some of you will know the answear to this, but im am starting to follow the masses and run coteaz. I gave him Prescience and tossed him in a 10 man monkey squad. so now i have 10 twin linked beams of death flying out every turn. So my question is about the "Gate of infinity ability" being used against coteaz and his squad. The Ive been expecting you ability reads comming in from reserves in his rules. so when the Gate of infinity is used and someone pops up within 12 inches of the inquisitor lord himself can his squad fire on them, the squad arives using deep strike rules, but not sure if it ever is considered comming in from reserve.
the same question is for transports. if someone disembarks a transport and is brought into play does his ability go off?

A model teleporting via GoI is not coming in from Reserves so would not be eligible. As for disembarking, if the transport was already in play, units disembarking are not targettable. If the transport arrived from reserves (such as a DP) then per the FAQ both can be shot at.

No, they have just come on like Deep Strikers, but they never actually arrived from Reserves. So IBEY doesn't trigger.

figured, but i wanted to doble check. thanks guys.

Yeah, Coteaz is a stellar unit, but even his precognitive powers and spy network cannot predict what units already on the battlefield will do with any accuracy.

Run Strike Squads with Warpquake. GOI issue fixed.

Don't you mean Veil of Darkness? GOI is just disembarking, not deepstriking. Am I missing something here?

 Fafnir13 wrote:
Don't you mean Veil of Darkness? GOI is just disembarking, not deepstriking. Am I missing something here?

GoI is...disembarking?
Please cite the rule that states this. The GoI in my rulebook says that the unit "arrives using the rules for Deep Strike."

Also, Warp Quake disrupts "any unit deploying via Deep Strike." So it might not work against GoI, since they're not deploying. But the DS rule doesn't talk about "deploying," it only talks about "arriving."
RAW Warp Quake doesn't work at all? RAI it works against Gate?

Yes Coteaz does get IBEY against people using GOI. It specifically states the unit "arrives by deep strike". The Deep strike rules tell us that arriving is coming from reserve. So you get to shoot their face off .


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Also the DS rules do indeed talk about deploying. Read the section under "Arriving by Deep strike". It clarifies that arriving is making your reserves roll then you deploy by deep strike using the scattering method.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yes Coteaz does get IBEY against people using GOI. It specifically states the unit "arrives by deep strike". The Deep strike rules tell us that arriving is coming from reserve. So you get to shoot their face off .

Not correct.
IBEY requires the unit arrive from reserve.
Units using GOI have not arrived from reserve. They were on the table at the start of the turn, no reserve rolls were made.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
Don't you mean Veil of Darkness? GOI is just disembarking, not deepstriking. Am I missing something here?

You're thinking of the "Eternity Gate" on the Monolith.
This is about Gate of Infinity, the psychic power.

Not correct.
IBEY requires the unit arrive from reserve.
Units using GOI have not arrived from reserve. They were on the table at the start of the turn, no reserve rolls were made.

Please read the deep strike rules. You are claiming GOI is not "arriving by deep strike" because that is a subset of "arriving from reserve".

 FlingitNow wrote:

Not correct.
IBEY requires the unit arrive from reserve.
Units using GOI have not arrived from reserve. They were on the table at the start of the turn, no reserve rolls were made.

Please read the deep strike rules. You are claiming GOI is not "arriving by deep strike" because that is a subset of "arriving from reserve".

No, I'm claiming they are arriving via Deep Strike, but are NOT arriving from reserve.
They were on the table at the start of the turn. No reserve roll was made. The unit was never in reserve this turn.

The requirement of IBEY is that they arrive from reserve. In this case they arrive from the table. Even if you claim they must be in reserve to use deep strike, they simply didn't arrive from it, which is the requirement needed.

No, I'm claiming they are arriving via Deep Strike, but are NOT arriving from reserve.

Which is of course impossible according to the DS rules which clearly state arriving is coming from reserve. Please read the Deep Strike rules then you'll understand how they work.

 FlingitNow wrote:

No, I'm claiming they are arriving via Deep Strike, but are NOT arriving from reserve.

Which is of course impossible according to the DS rules which clearly state arriving is coming from reserve. Please read the Deep Strike rules then you'll understand how they work.

Are you seriously suggesting that there are no rules in this game that only use part of another rule?
Interceptor uses only part of the shooting rules.
Haywire only uses part of the "shooting at vehicles" rules.
You want me to re-read the Deep Strike rules? How about you pick a USR at random and read that. Chances are it will use only part of another rule.

Impossible according to the Deep Strike rules? It's impossible according the Reserve rules, by the simple fact that the unit is not in Reserve, but on the table.

FlingitNow wrote:Which is of course impossible according to the DS rules which clearly state arriving is coming from reserve. Please read the Deep Strike rules then you'll understand how they work.

Actually no, they don't. Deep striking 'can' be a method of arriving from reserves sure, but there is nothing inherent in utilizing the deep strike rules that places models using it 'in' reserves before putting them on the table. keep in mind abilities which utilize them from the table such as the veil of darkness and gate of infinity bypass the need for the unit to start in reserves in the first place.

As you've so eloquently put it, read the Deep Strike rules. Also please quote the section you believe supports your post, I'm very interested in where you are getting that idea from?

Deep Strike doesn't mean you're arriving from reserve.
Reserve is a requirement of Deep Strike.
Important difference.

You can't use the Deep Strike rules unless the unit is in reserve. Fortunately the GOI tells us to use the rule anyway. The requirement is bypassed.

And suggesting the unit then counts as arriving from reserve is simply not right. You're then following none of the reserve rules, except allowing the unit to be shot at by Interceptor/IBEY.

You could never use GoI or VoD to Deep Strike from the table top if you use FlingitNow's interpretation, because you are never actually told to put the unit into reserves by either those abilities or by the Deep Strike rules themselves.

So either these abilities don't work at all, or you take logical route of only using the portion of the rules that tell you how to actually place the models onto the table.

Seriously read the deep strike rules. It tells you what "arriving by deep strike" is and what "deploying by deep strike" is. You all seem to be confusing the later with the former. Arriving by deep strike is arriving from reserve.

You roll for reserve then do you?

Edit: Oh and you can't use GOI until turn 2 then, since reserves can't arrive on turn 1.

No you don't roll the roll is to see if you arrive GOI tells you that you do arrive, so no roll is necessary.

 FlingitNow wrote:
No you don't roll the roll is to see if you arrive GOI tells you that you do arrive, so no roll is necessary.

Can you cite this please. I don't see any mention of reserves in the rules for Gate of Infinity.

So they count as arriving from reserve, while using none of the reserve rule?
So not reserved at all?

Deep Striking does not mean you're arriving from reserve.
Reserve is a requirement of Deep Strike.
It's an important difference.
And a requirement that isn't required due to GOI.

Happyjew the rules are on page 422. Second paragraph under GOI title 4th sentence. Then page 36 4th paragraph first sentence. Notice how that sentence tells us what arriving by deep strike is and what deploying by deep strike is.

Grendel083 read the section "arriving by deep strike" on page 36. The first part of deep strike tells us reserves is a requirement of DS we are agreed here. However the section under "arriving by deep strike" tells us that arriving by deep strike is arriving from reserve, then deploying by deep strike is what follows that.

I agree you arrive but where does it say you do not need to roll for reserves?

The first 4 words for "Arriving by Deep Strike" are...
Roll for the arrival

So if you're arriving from reserve, you must roll first, and you can't roll on turn 1.

Because the reserve roll is to see if you arrive. GoI tells you that you arrive "immediately" in that very sentence I cited for you already.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Because the reserve roll is to see if you arrive. GoI tells you that you arrive "immediately" in that very sentence I cited for you already.

And where are you arriving from?

So the unit is never in reserve.
Non of the reserve rules being used.
"Arriving from reserve" not being used at all and replaced with "arrives immediately".

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Because the reserve roll is to see if you arrive. GoI tells you that you arrive "immediately" in that very sentence I cited for you already.

And where are you arriving from?

Reserve as per the DS rules.

 FlingitNow wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Because the reserve roll is to see if you arrive. GoI tells you that you arrive "immediately" in that very sentence I cited for you already.

And where are you arriving from?

Reserve as per the DS rules.

OK. And how did you get in Reserves?