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It got answered on the comments of the KS, it's the big goroloth. I think someone did the math and expansion #1 is about $360 in metal.

So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...

Like most minis...they are for what you use them for. A lot use them for RPGs, some use them for board games, some use them for skirmish games, some use them for large scale battles, some just paint them.

Reapers core market is the D&D based RPG player though, so most are focused on that, and other things they can be used for happen to follow suit with similiar styles as the various settings for D&D.

Glenmorray wrote:
So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...

Most people use them for RPG:s or just to paint, but some use them as characters in their wargames armies. I have a friend who's GW Dwarf army got sweet Female Thane and a Pirate slayer lord from first Bones-campaign.

The core expansion suddenly seems like a great deal. Man, that last update to it really changed things.

Awesome! I got my Mushroom men!

That Expansion is pretty sweet as of now!

I really like the mushroom men and abolteh.

Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.

 Phobos wrote:
Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.

It's you. Most KS start big and slope down until the end or start small and explode. I haven't seen a lot of solid all the way through KSs.





Bones I was super slow until the end.

I wish they would show a few more stretch goals...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wish they would show a few more stretch goals...

As do I

Real mixed bag on the ochre expansion set... not sure if I will spring for it to be honest.

I wish they'd consider the expansions to be paid stretches rather than a third alternative. At the current rate, they'll only pass a stretch every three to four days, and with 1/3 of stretches being freebies, that's roughly 10 days at this rate until we should expect the next freebie stretch.

Also, I don't consider the expansions any different to any paid stretch. Not many would add $50 for the expansion if all they expected was the first 2 stretches on the expansion. People who added them early added them with a rough idea how much value there would be when completed.

I'm also hoping future expansions are more focused. Grab bag of minis is more the core set's niche, when adding money, I like to be able to tailor a bit more.

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It's too bad the sacrifice victim was removed from the cultists. As a scenario set, having the victim there adds a lot IMO.

i wasn't planning on adding the $50 stretch but now i probably will.

Must have Goroloth. Everything else in the expansion is neat, but the giant fishy monster is what really sold me.

Will add the expansion when the pledge manager arrives. Got enough money tied up in other stuff currently.

Would really like to see some straight up add ons that we don't need stretches for. Let the money pour in a little quicker! I basically checked out the update, knew I would have gotten it regardless, and went back to business as usual.

Maybe the rumored Warlord stuff will get unleashed soon. Unit packs of basic Warlord infantry in Bones would be quite cool. Add ons of 6-12 figures, 3 or 4 sculpts per box, wrap it up with a unit leader plus a pdf/ quick start rules sell it for around 10 to 15. I would imagine that would help the numbers rise quicker.

The excitement sure isn't there any more.

I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.

I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.

 General Seric wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.

I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.

What happened with the elf sculpts?

 judgedoug wrote:

 General Seric wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I'd like updates coming even if it's WIPs of new sculpts, alternative shots, something- just keep interest drummed up. Not every update has to have new shinies. Mantic's pretty good about this- keeping you informed, showing off what's coming, teasing future stretches... I'd like to see something similar from Reaper.

I think part of the problem for this is that, unlike the first Kickstarter, they really aren't doing any new sculpts (other than the gelatinous cube). Which seems odd to me, as some of the new sculpts last time were in the end some of my favorites of them all, but maybe they are afraid that some will not get done like last time with the 2 elf sculpts.

What happened with the elf sculpts?

Artist never turned them in, they had to make new ones.


There are actually a number of new sculpts, they just all appeared within the first day instead of getting teased out because of the massive surge, and they are already sculpted instead of being concept art:

http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/51663-ks-bones-ii-list-of-miniatures/


For ex (not an exhaustive list):

75,000 - Narthrax Dragon

01 - Couldn´t find (NEW MINIATURE Julie Guthrie)

125,000 - Lords of Darkness (possibly all NEW MINIATURES)

01 - Couldn´t find

02 - Couldn´t find

03 - Couldn´t find

04 - Couldn´t find

05 - Couldn´t find

06 - Couldn´t find

But they ARE doing a bunch of new sculpts. Mostly in the add ons, but there's a few in the core set. Four or five at least.

But for new sculpts in the add ons we've got:

*Castle Man and his base swapping buddies
*The degenerate rat pack
*The vampires
*Demon lords

So there's a good 20 or so new sculpts just right there. Hopefully we'll see more new ones as things roll on.

Still waiting to see those sculptor- specific packs myself.

Ah, I was looking for concept art for new sculpts, wasn't knowledgeable enough of their catalog to notice the new.

Well, that would still mean that sculpting updates would not be needed, as they are already done, and I don't think they would do alternate picture updates of the new models.

In addition to there rather large catalog, Reaper has a large stable of freelance sculptors, so most of what is new ends up being done in rather short order. They had also sent out a lot of these jobs to be sculpted months ago, so that helps too.

It is kind of funny when you think about it. Some campaigns get called out for not having greens and only having concept art. Here, people are wondering where the concept art is for the new sculpts.


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 pretre wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Is it me or does it seem like this kickstarter is going really slow? It broke 1 mil in 24 hours, and now just under a week later it's done less than half that.

It's you. Most KS start big and slope down until the end or start small and explode. I haven't seen a lot of solid all the way through KSs.





Bones I was super slow until the end.

Bones 1 wasnt super slow, it was just the end was insane. I think they hit a goal every day after the first few days, and then at the end they exploded and killed the servers (both KS and the Amazon payment processing server). The final total continued to grow for almost three hours after the campaign closed the servers were running so slow actually processing transactions.

You also have problems with the wait and see crowd. Right now, the large majority of backers simply pledged the base line amount in order to get their spot in line and are going to come back near the end to adjust their final pledge amount. The pledge per backer is only $125. Chances are the final number will be closer to $225 or $250 (quite possibly much higher depending on how many people get one of everything). That could be an extra $1.5 million just with the current backers pledges. You will even have some who feel no need to come back around as they assume they will be able to add money in much later through a pledge manager.

People often miss that important aspect of these campaigns. New goals only come from pledged dollars, and they must be pledged during the campaign to unlock anything. That is why I always remind people to just figure out what they think they might pledge in the end (speculation on releases and finances..I know) and place that. It will help to move everything forward and you dont end up spending a lot of time ho-humming about it.

I moved my pledge to the $1 for the add ones. I have to admit that what is now in the core set just isn't appealling enough barring a few mini's. I am more excited by the add-ons. Atm the ratio of good Reaper mini's to "meh" and "oh god, why did that get made" isn't improving enough for me to stay.

Personally, I would rather they dropped out some of the crappy ones in there and stick a dragon in there.

I was hoping it was going to improve but a couple of dragons and a few extra bits will be it I think.

Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.

 fullheadofhair wrote:
I moved my pledge to the $1 for the add ones. I have to admit that what is now in the core set just isn't appealling enough barring a few mini's. I am more excited by the add-ons. Atm the ratio of good Reaper mini's to "meh" and "oh god, why did that get made" isn't improving enough for me to stay.

Personally, I would rather they dropped out some of the crappy ones in there and stick a dragon in there.

I was hoping it was going to improve but a couple of dragons and a few extra bits will be it I think.

Even a fairly conservative estimate is that you will get another 4 goals added into the core, with more likely 6 or 7. That means that a whole lot of extra stuff is still in play being still 19 days from the end of this campaign. I would think that if you were thinking of the core at all, you might want to at least wait till we get closer till the end before you stick a fork in it.

Glenmorray wrote:
So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...

My Farseer On a Jetbike is riding a PAthfinder Red Dragon Into battle from BONES.
All in all im going to keep up on this, But Im not going to support it. It seems uhhh, useless to pay that much for minis im not sure I want.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.

Not sure how many more vermin we will see this time. They covered those fairly well in the first one with several different options.

Cavalry are definately in, though I still havent managed to get which ones out of them. It sounds as though it is two goals worth. One a bit of a grab bag, and the other from a Warlord faction.

I do believe I saw something relating to the displacer beast, but it was grainy video. There looked to be 5 different classic D&D monsters with it.

No word on Barbaians, though they have been under represented so far, so I would not be surprised.

Regarding the big stuff, they are making more in sales on the large figures than all the little ones, or close to it. At conventions, through distributors and online, the dragons and giants have been selling out fast. They still are jot at the same number of units sold, but they sell for more and generally have lower stock levels so they sellout faster. I expect to see a lot of little stuff, but really expect to see almost everything in their catalog over $20-30 or so. Might not be this campaign, but the volume sales have shown that people love to buy big figures for less than what a single man sized metal figure from some other guys sells for.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Glenmorray wrote:
So are these minis for RPGs? Work wierdly wont let me check the KS webpage...

My Farseer On a Jetbike is riding a PAthfinder Red Dragon Into battle from BONES.
All in all im going to keep up on this, But Im not going to support it. It seems uhhh, useless to pay that much for minis im not sure I want.

Spoken like a true miniature novice.

Just kidding of course, but when you consider some peoples collecting habits, it is more buy it now in order to make up a use for it later.

Wait....

you're telling me you're meant to use the minis ?

I thought it was just buy and hide in a cupboard

you learn something new every day

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Personally I hope they do more monstrous humanoids and other medium sized monsters. There will only be so many dragons to fight in a campaign, unless it's specifically dragon focused. Granted you only need so many goblins, skeletons, and orcs but hitting things like Displacer Beasts, mounted knights, vermin, and such would be convenient for me. The base pledge already added a lot IMHO, especially with the ranger companions. More barbarians would be a pleasant addition as well.

Not sure how many more vermin we will see this time. They covered those fairly well in the first one with several different options.

Cavalry are definately in, though I still havent managed to get which ones out of them. It sounds as though it is two goals worth. One a bit of a grab bag, and the other from a Warlord faction.

I do believe I saw something relating to the displacer beast, but it was grainy video. There looked to be 5 different classic D&D monsters with it.

No word on Barbaians, though they have been under represented so far, so I would not be surprised.

Regarding the big stuff, they are making more in sales on the large figures than all the little ones, or close to it. At conventions, through distributors and online, the dragons and giants have been selling out fast. They still are jot at the same number of units sold, but they sell for more and generally have lower stock levels so they sellout faster. I expect to see a lot of little stuff, but really expect to see almost everything in their catalog over $20-30 or so. Might not be this campaign, but the volume sales have shown that people love to buy big figures for less than what a single man sized metal figure from some other guys sells for.

Still missing man to large-sized Spiders(unless they were included in the old Drider add on from the first kickstarter, which I don't think so), man-sized scorpion, and any type of Centipede. That's just your typical vermin. This kickstarter so far though has taken care of most types of rat you might encounter, so I can't complain too much. Although Mantises, Snakes, and other creepy-crawlys would be neat.

KS1 had some scorpions and spiders in the vermin option that were man sizedish (sort of depends on how you measure mansized).

They are based on these

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/scorpion/sku-down/03528

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/scorpion%20bones/latest/77125

The spiders give you a few more options, though this would be my mansized spider choice

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/spider%20kevin/sku-down/59031

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/spider%20kevin/sku-down/77126

For larger spiders, you have this one

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/bones%20spider/sku-down/77025

It was a pre KS1 release, so you may have missed it (I dont think it was an addon at all).


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But yes, there is definately room for more bugs...just not sure if there is room for another vermin within this campaign. Maybe along with one of there freaking huge spiders or demon bugs. Vermin, while popular are not the sort of thing that get too many people excited.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wish they would show a few more stretch goals...

As do I
Real mixed bag on the ochre expansion set... not sure if I will spring for it to be honest.

How big is that Goroloth thing?