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If they do a terrain KS, I'll help them remain profitable

They've mentioned that they don't want to step on dwarven forge's toes too much. I could see them doing more towers, and decor and stuff like gale force 9 though.

Has anyone done a comparison between 'dwarvenite' and 'bonesium'? I've been wondering if it is the same stuff from the same factory.

This kickstarter did feel a little more subdued, but I'm happy with the outcome. I think it had a lot to do with the "newness" being worn off, and the expansions being a little more scattered theme-wise. Such as the Sci-fi, Monsters, and Holy/Demonic thing they had going on. There wasn't really a "Gotta catch 'em all!" vibe to this campaign. It seemed like the expansions(specifically the Sci-fi expansion) were used to test the waters for different markets.

Maybe some day they'd do a straight Warlord campaign.

I would imagine they'd see how that CAV campaign goes first.

I know I wouldn't mind seeing more free standing terrain and scenery end up in Bones. Those tower ruins are going to be getting a lot of mileage on a lot of gaming tables I would imagine.

Going to take me a few days still to figure out exactly what I want.

Bones could work really well for terrain - cheap, light, quick and easy to use and fairly durable. It's also a bit more chunky and "real" looking than a lot of the flatpack design laser cut terrain - although that will always win out on taking up the least amount of storage space.

That Reaper doesn't want to step on others toes is a valid concern, plus they already make a good income off models alone and terrain is a whole new division of the company.

Personally I'd like to see Reaper do some more metal models and a KS for their other lines; Bones is great and chances are they won't top the pledges for Bones because of the affordability at the individual level; but seeing Reaper put a new slew of models into metal production would be great for those who want metal not Bones. It would als obe a good way to gain some funding toward making some of the big Bones into Big metal.

Just for fun I used the pledge calculator to find out how much it would cost to send the dragon and terrain to Australia.

It's about $40. Ouch.

And it looked so nice too.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Just for fun I used the pledge calculator to find out how much it would cost to send the dragon and terrain to Australia.

It's about $40. Ouch.

And it looked so nice too.

Wouldn't surprise me if you still end up saving money vs. buying in store....

But add that it immediate payment for eventual payoff it becomes a question of whether you save enough to make it worthwhile.

Of course, compared to a GW set of that size.....

Seemed like there was a lot more new models this time around, and more are 'heroically' proportioned - likely easier to produce in PVC. The first KS was definitely a learning experience for them.

The Auld Grump - $336 US into this Kickstarter.... And likely another $100 by the end of December....

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Just for fun I used the pledge calculator to find out how much it would cost to send the dragon and terrain to Australia.

It's about $40. Ouch.

And it looked so nice too.

Shipping is cut in half if you just go for the terrain FYI.

Looks like I can do the three tower pieces and 24 paints for about $90 with shipping, which is very decent IMO.

The dragon/terrain set is heavy enough to push Canadian shipping over the $33 threshold (makes that $40 shipping to Australia seem pretty reasonable to be honest ), but playing around, I can add a lot of other add-ons and only pay $10 shipping extra. For just the dragon set, it's not a great deal, but if there's other things you like, you can probably get a pretty great deal.

Joyboozer wrote:
Have Reaper ever mentioned why they don't do more terrain?

It costs a boatload, and they don't have experience with plastics. I imagine terrain also sells poorly. Even GW only just started doing terrain with the new Cityfight stuff,.

Reaper did make large stuff; the original Dragons Don't Share, Kaladrax, Gauth, but the cost was astronomical since they were working in metal. You can't really make terrain in metal. Resin, maybe.

This new Hirst Arts stuff is great, since for a small up-front cost (the molds) you can make as little, or as much as you would like. Reaper might be wise to make pieces that are compatible with Hirst Arts stuff, statues, candleabras, candlesticks, treasure chests and treasure piles, skills and accent pieces, special bricks that can be combined with the HA stuff.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

"New" CityFight stuff?

too bad i missed this, tons of cool stuff in here. Would keep me out of GW for at least a year.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Just for fun I used the pledge calculator to find out how much it would cost to send the dragon and terrain to Australia.

It's about $40. Ouch.

And it looked so nice too.

Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on terrain in particular, and adding that alone would bump up my S&H $27. For $35 it's tempting. For $62, I'll probably pass.

Maybe toy with some of the single parts, see if one of those isn't too big a deal.

I'd love to get a better sense of scale on some figures, especially some of the stuff in the expansions.

Expansion 2 still seems a bit of a question mark to me.

Expansion 1 at least I'm familiar with a lot of the figures already included, so I get the basic size of everything. There's some big and chunky figures included there! I can justify the 50 for it. The other expansions, I'm not really sure.

Expansion 2 seems to have a lot less figures in it. Are they going to be bigger and bulkier on average? I'm unsure.

I really like that Minotaur but I can't see him justifying the bulk of the expansion cost (for me at least).

Yeah minotaur lord/god/demon is big, I think the deva angel probably is a bit bigger than the other angels and people in general. The transparent models rate at a higher value as well, and I think they mentioned something about the knights/mounted models requiring more molds to make (and therefore being more expensive).

All I wanted out of exp2 was the minotaur guy, and only cause he's cool. I'll live without. Exp1 looks like the best deal in terms of bulk, although the terrain in exp3 is probably going to be fairly substantial and chunky.

The bathalians are 40mm base guys, and that saucer is probably a reasonable amount of material in addition to the shipping container (even if its hollow, its still pretty big!) and the barricade/hells teeth are pretty blocky too.

The value is definitely there in exp1 for it to stand alone and eat part of my pledge. exp3 i got cause I prefer scifi stuff, but I may give it the axe. I overpledged to allow me to get it AND all of the big nasties I wanted though, so if I don't get it I'd have to pick up a third dragons don't share 2 and that may be getting a tad excessive

A terrain-centric Bones KS would be terrific.

Honestly, I picked up a few Bones blisters from the first KS a few months ago - some Reaper sculpts I've long admired/wanted.

I find I still want those sculpts in metal.

czakk wrote:
They've mentioned that they don't want to step on dwarven forge's toes too much.

But dwarven forge is expensive, but they could do hirst arts blocks. I'd ove to get Vampire Counts-esque add-on blocks like creepy gargoyled and undead-motif blocks, or Chaos-esque floor tiles or accent pieces.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"New" CityFight stuff?

I stopped following GW some time ago. I still pick up WD, but everything since 2002 or so gets hazy.

Also I wouldn't mind if the focused on the big Warlord pieces, with maybe some cavalry re-done in Bones plastic. Toss in a Dictator CAV, drum up some interest in CAV. Don't cater to the fantasy grognard whiners that complain. No-one will complain about one CAV figure. They'll just sell it. it's funny that fantasy grognards complains about the sci-fi stuff, but you can't get the IMEF marines from the first kickstarter on ebay anymore - almost all have been snapped up.

They should also do alternate poses for the orcs, gnolls, skeletons and so on. getting repeats of horde monsters is lame. Make new sculpts.

They should also do a line of "chaotic" warriors and mutants like the old-school GW figs. GW doesn't support chaos warbands anymore so why not.

The dungeon decor also needs to have three different bookshelves, for those that kit out their dungeon and don't want repeats. Multiple crates, barrels and treasure chests would be good to. Also casualty figures.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

If you discount the bulk bases to $25 for all three sets, the Core is $75 for 150+ miniatures. Great buy for the bulk purchaser.

I'm also surprised that, of all the complaints of Reaper, the KS, and Bones, I haven't read anything about flash, which pretty much goes all over the place on some of these models. The only comments of flash I've read are on the Reaper forums by Bones supporters. Ugh, I do hope that my Zombicide and MYTH figures don't have this much flash.

It's also becoming salient to me that I have a lot of miniatures to paint, so I'm less enthusiastic about new KSs that offer "150 miniatures for $100". Even before KS1, I had about 3.5K of unpainted mini's from FFG, GW, and other games...!

Which figures are you noticing flash on?

I have the Bone 1 set & there is very little flash on the figures. Some of the figures have a visible mold line, but nothing that I put that much work into cleaning up.

I haven't noticed any real flash on my Vampire stuff either.

I had some flash on an elf paladin's leg, but I said screw it and just went ahead and painted her up anyway.

That's about it. I've probably got around 40 or 50 of the Vampire set figures, and that was the only one that was really guilty of having flash.

I understand if Reaper doesn't want to step on toes doing tiles and dungeon type stuff.

I would really love to see more decor and vignette type locales done up in Bones. It would be a lot less fragile than some of the Hirst Arts stuff I've gotten for sure.

 chris_valera wrote:


Toss in a Dictator CAV, drum up some interest in CAV. Don't cater to the fantasy grognard whiners that complain. No-one will complain about one CAV figure. They'll just sell it. it's funny that fantasy grognards complains about the sci-fi stuff, but you can't get the IMEF marines from the first kickstarter on ebay anymore - almost all have been snapped up.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Don't cater to the fantasy "grognard" whiners that complain? You mean.... the majority of their customer base? Yeah why should they cater the product for them.

Considering bases was *the* most requested item from the first kickstarter and when they added them into the core set there was endless whining and kitching on here.... Don't get me wrong I like the sci-fi stuff, terrain, - I like all of it. But i find it funny to read endless posts saying
"boo-hoo I don't like the bases"
"I don't like the expansions and the stretch goals"
"I don't like the final stretch goal"
and then...
"hey reaper you should have totally made model 'X' - don't listen to the whiners and haters!"

Good advice right at the end there.

~ Adam

Things I hate:
1) Stupid signatures bypassing my hide-all signatures profile setting because they've been pasted at the end ofevery post
2) Lists
3) Irony

Yeah, I couldn't quite believe how whiny people got, here included, at the fact that Reaper offered merely a staggeringly good deal on some amazing minis, this time, rather than an unbelievably good deal on some amazing minis, like they did for their first Kickstarter.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"I mean, why aren't Reaper paying ME to take their Bones II Kickstarter minis off their hands? LIFE IS SO UNFAIR"

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah, I couldn't quite believe how whiny people got, here included, at the fact that Reaper offered merely a staggeringly good deal on some amazing minis, this time, rather than an unbelievably good deal on some amazing minis, like they did for their first Kickstarter.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
"I mean, why aren't Reaper paying ME to take their Bones II Kickstarter minis off their hands? LIFE IS SO UNFAIR"

I don't believe anyone came even close to that kind of comment...

I did use a bit of hyperbole.

TBF, you and others weren't saying anything like that -- more like, "Well, I personally have done the sums, and I don't think it's quite worthwhile due to shipping", which is quite understandable.

 RanTheCid wrote:
Which figures are you noticing flash on?

I have the Bone 1 set & there is very little flash on the figures. Some of the figures have a visible mold line, but nothing that I put that much work into cleaning up.

Whoops -- I meant mold lines. They're more apparent if you pre-ink them. Tons of 'em on my figures, and some discussion on them on the Reaper Bones forum. If you're not seeing them, that's good -- I could have received a "not as good" batch or something.

If you're familiar with Dain Deepaxe from the Learn to Paint Armor Kit, check his Bones counterpart. On my Bones model, there's a daggar-shaped flaw on the chainmail on his back. I also saw a mold line running along his shield.

If you bought the Demons, the weapon-less demon didn't have much mold lines, but the one with the weapon has a lot of them. Took me a few days to scrape off all the lines. However, I remove mold lines while waiting for my junkie computer to start up, so it's not like removing flash takes away from my painting time....

There's definitely mould lines. I've been buying and painting bones for myself and for local commissions (base coat, shade, one highlight, tabletop quality only) and I do take some time with my high end miniature files. My cheaper files don't do anything but tear up the surface.

 frozenwastes wrote:
There's definitely mould lines. I've been buying and painting bones for myself and for local commissions (base coat, shade, one highlight, tabletop quality only) and I do take some time with my high end miniature files. My cheaper files don't do anything but tear up the surface.

Use a very sharp Xacto knife, and cut, not scrape, the lines away - you will end up with thin strands of PVC, but it actually comes off quite easily, once you pick up the knack.

I used to build vinyl models, and I guess the techniques stuck.

The Auld Grump

*EDIT* Me write English gooder....

A few pics of the Reaper HQ, including Bones II prototypes!
http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/52377-yay-i-got-to-visit-reaper-pictures/

Also, a jeweler's engraver works great on getting rid mold lines. Under $10 at Michael's!

Anyone else not get the pledge manager yet? Latest update said to fill it out?