Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**PomWallaby**

If there are only three people packing, they're doing a superb job keeping up with supplying stores and their own webstore. The market is flooded with flgs, webstores, Amazon, eBay, wherever.

There is nothing physicaly different for supplying the backers core boxes, backers are just low priority. Ironically these are or were likely to be the people most interested in the game.

**CptJake**

In my case, 'were likely' fits. Now I just hope I eventually get all my stuff and can sell it without too much of a loss.

**angelofvengeance**

Should probably have posted that in the Swap Shop section krazynadechukr...

**Alpharius**

PLEASE NOTE: There is a dedicated SWAP SHOP forum here on Dakka Dakka.

**CURNOW**

Siygess wrote:
CURNOW wrote:
Probably as close as I'm going to come to my pledge this year ...lol

Damn, man! I saw you at GeekFest and I recognised the name on your badge. I thought "I wonder if that's the same Curnow on Dakka" but I'm sure that when I checked previously, your profile didn't mention that you were from Cornwall. I thought it was just a coincidence
Yeah, I saw that copy and had much the same reaction you did. And then I saw the sticker price and abandoned any thoughts of buying a box just to have one in hand!

Yeah i was really close to getting one and then chucking mine on ebay if it ever turns up . I was with the short cadian lol

**CptJake**

Alpharius wrote:
PLEASE NOTE: There is a dedicated SWAP SHOP forum here on Dakka Dakka.

Please note: I did not offer my stuff for sale, I stated I hope I can sell it when I have it. I don't even have my stuff yet, and can't sell it until I do. When I do, I'll be sure to list it here on the Swap Shop.

**Alpharius**

PLEASE NOTE: That wasn't directed at you.

It was directed at the person that listed a full on ad for a set here in this thread - I deleted that post.

They know who they are.

**Joyboozer**

Was it Prodos? They're selling it everywhere else....

**Pacific**

LOL Joyboozer..

After reading about people's pledge managers being opened again, checked mine and it says 'awaiting'. Awaiting what exactly? Insert joke here..

Curnow - was that you at the UK Comicon earlier in the year as well (London Excel centre?) - if so excellent costume!

**biggusdoggus**

Moses Bad wrote:
I'll just leave our PM as it is until there is word, they are about to start shipping wave two - otherwise I have to lock that dreaded thing three more times ...

Just went through the pics ...
WHO translatet that?
Just on that card ... I stopped counting at the tenth spelling or comma error.

Just imagine, we offered them translation - I am working full time as a translator, wifey is a lector who can check for errors I might have made ... but no ...

care to explain to a non-German speaker? I fully expect the translations to be chock full of errors, but nobody has raised it on facebook yet.

**Moses Bad**

I guess, most people just don't really care, if it's Team Taktiken (wrong) or Team-Taktiken (correct) or Auf Grund (meaning at the bottom of a waterbody) instead of Aufgrund (meaning because of). In German in most cases two nouns are combined with a dash.
They get the general idea and that's enough in most cases.
Besides that, working in that department sort of makes you a bit more attentive when it comes to sentence structure and the whole riff raff.
After two reforms concerning grammar in the written german language, I didn't care anymore ... until I had to for this job.

But frankly, if I'd forward that to the lector, I'd get no more commissions from that particular publisher.

**warboss**

Moses Bad wrote:
I guess, most people just don't really care, if it's Team Taktiken (wrong) or Team-Taktiken (correct) or Auf Grund (meaning at the bottom of a waterbody) instead of Aufgrund (meaning because of). In German in most cases two nouns are combined with a dash.
They get the general idea and that's enough in most cases.
Besides that, working in that department sort of makes you a bit more attentive when it comes to sentence structure and the whole riff raff.
After two reforms concerning grammar in the written german language, I didn't care anymore ... until I had to for this job.

But frankly, if I'd forward that to the lector, I'd get no more commissions from that particular publisher.

Sounds expensive to get right. Google Translate function is free and if it's good enough for the internet then it's good enough for Prodos!

**Moses Bad**

Well, you can have it either cheap or good - both is a rare occasion.
And obviously they went with cheap.

Just for Fun of it, your sentence via Google translate and my correction underneath

Klingt teuer richtig zu machen. Google Translate -Funktion ist kostenlos und wenn es gut genug für das Internet , dann ist es gut genug für Prodos!
Klingt teuer, es richtig zu machen. Die Google-Übersetzungsfunktion ist kostenlos und wenn es gut genug für das Internet ist, dann ist es gut genug für Prodos!

The difference isn't too big, but it's there.
Google Translate is like a Baboon on caffeine for two weeks on a row - pretty much useless but for the crudest of things. But I'm preaching to the choir.

**Dark Severance**

Moses Bad wrote:
Well, you can have it either cheap or good - both is a rare occasion.
And obviously they went with cheap.

It isn't that is rare, it is just not always the decision made as you can only choose 2 of the 3 methods between Cheap, Good, Fast.

You can do "Cheap" and "Good" but that usually means it will take a lot more time to complete.
You can do "Cheap" and "Fast" but then the quality isn't that good.
You can do "Fast" and "Good" but then it is more expensive.

It looks like they went with "Cheap" and "Fast" which does mean the quality will be lacking. Given that delays already and they need revenue, it was clear they wouldn't choose "Good" as an option.

**biggusdoggus**

Just posted as an update on facebook under Jarek's login ...

Hey guys,
I just want to update you, out of step of our, usually quite rigid, weekly updates.
Make of it what you will. We have established that it's quite clear, nothing is enough, unless we actually get your product shipped. That's something we are working on. Sure it's slow, but it needs to be for it to happen and for us to stay around. This whole experience has made us decide that some things simply won't happen again.
1. Facebook
One of those things, unfortunately, has to be that we simply cannot devote our time, in this way, to appearing in public portals (specifically Facebook). This doesn't mean you are not worth our time! We're aware that many want to read between the lines of our actions, comments, etc and that's whjy I'm writing in the way I am... I'm hoping the raw emotion here kind of gets through.
In the grand scheme of things, we're actually a very small company. 30 or so guys, of which only 3 actually have the English skills and knowledge to present information to you is just not enough. We appreciate the support of you all and we want to make it very, very clear that we respect every single one of you; regardless of your stance as you are our pledgers, customers or even just well-wishers. Heck, even the trolls, who may spend time online just to make our lives difficult, they are still a part of the community. I've shaken hands with you guys, wherever I can at events, I've spoken about where we are, what we are feeling and what makes us tick and I take great delight in that!
Sadly, some recent activity has really hit-home the reasons why this way of working, at least while we are shipping the Kickstarter, just isn't possible. We do not have a staff-member that works specifically on answering questions; in the past, we have had people that the community has known are the guys to get hold of. Firstly, Rob (myself), a 'veteran' from the Warzone Resurrection Kickstarter days (I lost a lot of hair back then!). It quickly became too much for me to handle and, as head of sales, I knew that this task just wasn't for me anymore. Every so often, I still get messages and I do deal with them, because I can and a personal, moral, part of me just wants to fix things for people. That's my character. It's been abused in the past by a number of people (to the point where people genuinely questioned my actual existence!) and that has resulted in my pulling out of this task. We then hired Michal Prodosgames, whose account was specifically made not to show his surname as he has an aversion to Facebook and being found there. Annoyingly, due to being reported by an 'unknown individual', he has had to change his account name. Then there is Jim, Jim is our USA salesman, an incredibly valuable member of our team and someone who, in the past, against all odds, has been able to remain level-headed, calm and cool in the face of Kickstarter's most awkward moments. However, this evening, he received some fairly disgusting and personal threats aimed towards him privately; which has led to our emergency writing of this update.
As I am sure you are all aware, enough is enough. We want to say that this IS NOT us burying our head in the sand. We will be contactable. You can PM us on the Alien vs Predator: The Hunt Begins Like page. We will continue to visit Facebook groups, but WE WILL NOT be commenting on any of those groups. We will also continue to look at Beasts of War, we will look at the Lead Adventure forum and we will look at Frothers. Hell, maybe even Dakka Dakka, that well-known cesspit of vitriol and hate!
2. How can we contact Prodos Games then?
You can email us through the usual portals of:
Kickstarter Pledge Queries: Michal.Pawlaczyk@prodos.co.uk
Sales/Events planning: rob.alderman@prodos.co.uk
Customer Services (Replacement parts): agata.mazurek@prodos.co.uk
Manufacturing: sales@prodosgames.com
Alien vs Predator: The Hunt Begins Like Page
Prodos Games Like Page
Mutant Chronicles Like Page
Our webstore Customer Service Email function
We are ALWAYS happy to respond to your queries and will do everything we can to make sure you are sorted. If one of these emails is not responding according to your expectations, please do contact the like page, or simply email again. There is a very good chance that your message has been missed and then buried. This does happen, sadly; but it is very rarely intentional and quite embarrassing to see that it has occurred when it does.
3. Where will we see updates?
Okay, one of the big mistakes from the start was that we have not made a database of emails from the Kickstarter and the pledges made on our website. That was rather silly of us, lesson learnt. However, the updates will be PUBLICLY available for all to see, warts and all, on our new blog on the website (http://prodosgames.com). You will be able to comment on these. However, it protects our staff from having insults hurled at them, when they are doing the best job they can, under quite dire circumstances, with very little in the way of pay off. Our whole website will be going through a transformation to be more user friendly. The blog will not just be AvP, it will be Warzone, expose some interesting stuff from the industry about manufacturing and what we actually do here. We hope for these updates to be daily.
4. Numbers of shipments:
We hate to disappoint people. We're aware we do disappoint people. Our numbers are disappointingly few. Embarrassingly few. This probably comes from not being particularly 'pro' at giving information and knowing exactly what we 'should' be telling people. Every action has a reaction, and all that. Right now, we are still going with the 1 week making Retail copies, 1 week making Kickstarter copies method we mentioned. This has meant we have been able to clear out our retail orders (including a severely delayed shipment to the USA) and will clear some Kickstarter shipments during this week. Importantly, and in the minds of many pledgers on the FB Group, we have just booked in all of the shipments from the 10th and 11th of August that do not have tracking numbers provided by our Courier service. We are currently working on getting those original shipments, placed on the 10th/11th back or claiming some kind of payment back.
We hope that, by the end of this week, we will also be able to claim that much more has been shipped, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
5. Overall feeling at Prodos Games right now:
Actually, we are becoming more and more aware that reaching for the stars can actually be one's downfall. We are looking at going back to roots a little, and looking for slow-expansion, rather than the rapid expansion we sort of imposed on ourselves. We have 2 truly fantastic licenses here. Mutant Chronicles, which has been a dream to work on since Kickstarter and AvP, which we are incredibly excited to develop beyond the realms of Kickstarter. We've helped a great number of companies and aim to work on strengthening those relationships. We don't want to be the company that gets passed the buck, we want to be the company that is resolute, keeps chugging on against the odds (lets face it, most companies would have given up by now, but we are sure that Rob will somehow stay alive if he keeps taking the happy pills!) and one that has formed really honest relationships with other industry stalwarts. Sure, we want plastic injection, sure we want to be the biggest company in Europe based in this commodity, but really, is that what we will really gain from it at this stage?
A further delayed Kickstarter, a hell of a stressed out team here and genuinely no sleep. That's where we are now and that's not where we want to be. We honestly believe that the decisions made in this update will go a long way to helping us retain our sanity and continue (slowly) getting you the best products, service and designs that we can provide.
Cheers/Na Zdrowie!

**Nostromodamus**

Well, hopefully these changes will prove positive and enable the company to continue and grow.

And hopefully once fulfillment is done and dusted, the Prodos guys can get back into a good frame of mind.

Sad to read about that situation with Jim. I've not been the kindest to Prodos in the past but it sounds like some people have taken things way too far there.

Anyway, best of luck Prodos

**warboss**

Dakka even got a mention. Yay?

**CptJake**

Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

**warboss**

CptJake wrote:
Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

Expecting/hoping for half of what you were promised one year later than you were told makes you a hater. It's a common theme amongst the epic badly run campaigns. So is "no refunds".

**Cyporiean**

CptJake wrote:
Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

Yup, that's the industry's opinion of Dakka. It's worst than 4Chan.

**CptJake**

I know my comments have very often and very deliberately been lees than kind. I am probably on their list of vitriolic haters.

But I do not think I've ever been less than accurate. Don't like being called a liar? Don't lie. Don't like getting called out for breaking promises and for poor communications? Don't break promises and learn to communicate better.

**warboss**

Cyporiean wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

Yup, that's the industry's opinion of Dakka. It's worst than 4Chan.

So to improve its image within the industry, Dakka's community needs to post thousands of borderline porn pics and links to pirated files? That is a very dysfunctional industry.

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CptJake wrote:
I know my comments have very often and very deliberately been lees than kind. I am probably on their list of vitriolic haters.

But I do not think I've ever been less than accurate. Don't like being called a liar? Don't lie. Don't like getting called out for breaking promises and for poor communications? Don't break promises and learn to communicate better.

I like your solution more. Poor folks sitting on hundreds of massively delayed boxes that were supposed to be in ks backer hands a year earlier can sleep better at night and the ks backers can just play those games instead of looking at folks sit on ks rewards earmarked for people who bought them long after backers pledged.

**Moses Bad**

Having a real hard time feeling sorry for them ...

**Alpharius**

warboss wrote:
Cyporiean wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

Yup, that's the industry's opinion of Dakka. It's worst than 4Chan.

So to improve its image within the industry, Dakka's community needs to post thousands of borderline porn pics and links to pirated files? That is a very dysfunctional industry.

Please don't!

I've talked to plenty of 'industry people' who don't have that view of Dakka Dakka at all, so, whatever.

I hope PRODOS was joking, maybe?

Either way, here's hoping they sort out their own mess soon.

**CptJake**

Moses Bad wrote:
Having a real hard time feeling sorry for them ...

My grandma used to say:

CptJake's Grandma wrote:If you're looking for sympathy, you can find it somewhere between gak and syphilis in the dictionary

**JohnHwangDD**

Alpharius wrote:
warboss wrote:
Cyporiean wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Cesspit of vitriol and hate?

Classy.

Yup, that's the industry's opinion of Dakka. It's worst than 4Chan.

So to improve its image within the industry, Dakka's community needs to post thousands of borderline porn pics and links to pirated files? That is a very dysfunctional industry.

Please don't!

I've talked to plenty of 'industry people' who don't have that view of Dakka Dakka at all, so, whatever.

I hope PRODOS was joking, maybe?

Either way, here's hoping they sort out their own mess soon.

I doubt Prodos was joking - TPTB at Palladium and the Pod have echoed similar sentiments.

**Alpharius**

I'm sensing a certain theme in that list...

**Nostromodamus**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm sensing a certain theme in that list...

They all begin with "P"?

**Cyporiean**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm sensing a certain theme in that list...

I've heard the same thing from a few others, including companies that Dakka actually likes.

**Alpharius**

It's largely irrelevant.

Dakka is the biggest and most active forum of its type.

For the most part, it also has the lightest touch from a Moderation perspective too. (I'm not kidding!)

There's very little 'clamp down' here - so it is what it is.

I think most users prefer it that way.