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2017/01/03 19:14:56
Subject: Re:The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
There is a live demo of the The Other Side game being played through Vassal by playtesters. I believe Aaron, the game designer, will be on chat to answer questions related to gameplay.
I picked these mostly out of a lack of familiarity with other companies' offerings, I'm sure folks more up to date with GW or CB (etc, etc) can propose alternative comparisons. A Dreamforge Leviathan, for example, lists at $125 but are currently available for $70.
By the way, while I was doing this I realized something: there is no scale in any of the things on the campaign I have found yet. Am I simply missing it, or is there really nothing on the front page of the campaign establishing the size of these models?
Assuming that the Titans are roughly on the same scale of the things I mention above (120mm base for the battle engines), can we really say that they are equivalent products to what is available on the market? $90 is a steep price for a model, especially for one of PVC and that cannot be reposed.
Am I incorrect? The more I think about it, the less certain I am about the size of the Titans and what constitutes a valid comparison.
I am not familiar with PP games, but comparisons of Titans in the Other Side were usually made to Warmahordes Colossals/Gargantuans. Which if I look at the price range of those unit types (also on 120mm), they range from $105-135 (non-discount and leaning towards 135 more than to 105). It would be a better representation of price comparison to include Colossals/Gargantuans than to just the Battle Engines, in my opinion.
As for pricing, ALL Tabletop Miniature Games are pretty pricey for me . The price structure Wyrd has used for The Other Side, seems to scale similarly with Malifaux prcing (less per troop models, more per commander models so far).
Sorry, I missed this response earlier. I suppose that there is no objective measure of how much one particular model appeals to the individual, but that said, I find it very hard to say that what we have seen so far with the Titans justifies their pricing. Specifically, what you say here;
I am not familiar with PP games, but comparisons of Titans in the Other Side were usually made to Warmahordes Colossals/Gargantuans. Which if I look at the price range of those unit types (also on 120mm), they range from $105-135 (non-discount and leaning towards 135 more than to 105). It would be a better representation of price comparison to include Colossals/Gargantuans than to just the Battle Engines, in my opinion.
The problem with comparing against WM/Hordes Collassals/Gargnatuans is that, first, those models (especially the first generation of them) tend to be mixed kits made up of white metal and true resin pieces. Second, many of the Gargantuans are just silly large models.
For example, take the mention that Collossals/Gargantuans tend more towards $135, but let's look at what a $135 MSRP Gargantuan actually gets you in terms of model: the Legion of Everblight Archangel;
Spoiler:
But that is an older model, as I said, in mixed materials. Take a newer Gargantuan, the Circle Storm Raptor, which is in 'plastic' and has an MSRP of $109.99;
Spoiler:
Now, of course I'm not saying that no one can find the Titans comparable value for money, but the combination of a material with a less than favorable reputation, pre-assembly and pre-painting (for me) tends all rather against them. Perhaps some of the Titans that have not yet been shown will be more impressive... but that does rather beg the question of why they are all priced the same.
According to a comment from Wyrd, the Titans are 'over 5" tall but under 6"'; or, to reference my earlier comparison, between the heights of a Dreamforge Leviathan 28mm (at 8.5") and a Leviathan in 15mm scale (4.6" tall). Given the tremendious articulation and sophistication of Dreamforge products it's fair to say that they are priced at a great value. The Titans...
Buzzsaw wrote: Sorry, I missed this response earlier. I suppose that there is no objective measure of how much one particular model appeals to the individual, but that said, I find it very hard to say that what we have seen so far with the Titans justifies their pricing. Specifically, what you say here;
I am not familiar with PP games, but comparisons of Titans in the Other Side were usually made to Warmahordes Colossals/Gargantuans. Which if I look at the price range of those unit types (also on 120mm), they range from $105-135 (non-discount and leaning towards 135 more than to 105). It would be a better representation of price comparison to include Colossals/Gargantuans than to just the Battle Engines, in my opinion.
The problem with comparing against WM/Hordes Collassals/Gargnatuans is that, first, those models (especially the first generation of them) tend to be mixed kits made up of white metal and true resin pieces. Second, many of the Gargantuans are just silly large models.
For example, take the mention that Collossals/Gargantuans tend more towards $135, but let's look at what a $135 MSRP Gargantuan actually gets you in terms of model: the Legion of Everblight Archangel;
Spoiler:
But that is an older model, as I said, in mixed materials. Take a newer Gargantuan, the Circle Storm Raptor, which is in 'plastic' and has an MSRP of $109.99;
Spoiler:
Now, of course I'm not saying that no one can find the Titans comparable value for money, but the combination of a material with a less than favorable reputation, pre-assembly and pre-painting (for me) tends all rather against them. Perhaps some of the Titans that have not yet been shown will be more impressive... but that does rather beg the question of why they are all priced the same.
According to a comment from Wyrd, the Titans are 'over 5" tall but under 6"'; or, to reference my earlier comparison, between the heights of a Dreamforge Leviathan 28mm (at 8.5") and a Leviathan in 15mm scale (4.6" tall). Given the tremendious articulation and sophistication of Dreamforge products it's fair to say that they are priced at a great value. The Titans...
My experience so far with Wyrd have been fairly good (to each their own of course) and they openly admit when they did something wrong (not something any company would admit). The Plastic Circle Storm Raptor (beautiful model) is MSRP $110. The Titans Plastic MSRP is $90. Would that not be a better comparison of price than everything else you have compared earlier? Everyone is entitled to make their own decisions, if something is worth their money or not. My opinion: All miniature war games is expensive .
Where does Buzzsaw get the idea this is pre painted? They've never said it is and none of their previous PVC is. While I agree the kickstarter is flailing badly, Buzzsaw seemed to have a habit of unfair comparisons. Now he's just making things up to criticise. It makes his critique feel somewhat personal rather than objective.
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2017/01/03 20:30:08
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
-Loki- wrote: Where does Buzzsaw get the idea this is pre painted? They've never said it is and none of their previous PVC is. While I agree the kickstarter is flailing badly, Buzzsaw seemed to have a habit of unfair comparisons. Now he's just making things up to criticise. It makes his critique feel somewhat personal rather than objective.
To be fair... you're also quick to respond to any negative post with, "Oh yeah, well my local store says Wyrd is amazing and sells out all the time" which isn't objectively useful either. :-p I say it respectfully, but everyone has their biases.
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted)
2017/01/03 20:36:45
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
I'm not being objective though and never claimed to be? I'm rather excited by the kickstarter and want it to succeed, so hype levels for me are rather high. I'm here to read and discuss it positively.
Buzzsaw is trying to pass off as an analyst. He's looking at the project and the numbers and critiquing the campaign. To do so you should be objective, it can't be personal. Unfair comparisons are one thing, Making things up to criticise shows either a passing knowledge of what he's criticising which shows a lack of understanding or he's getting personal, Neither should be happening in a critical analysis.
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2017/01/03 21:14:40
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
-Loki- wrote: Where does Buzzsaw get the idea this is pre painted? They've never said it is and none of their previous PVC is. While I agree the kickstarter is flailing badly, Buzzsaw seemed to have a habit of unfair comparisons. Now he's just making things up to criticise. It makes his critique feel somewhat personal rather than objective.
Kickstarter discussions always get rather personal. Most of the time its an argument between people trying to justify their decision to spend money on something vs people trying to justify their decision not to spend that money. These things are rarely objective, but its made slightly worth by a couple factors. For one, arguing over how good a deal something is, particularly when there's no great way to review final quality makes things odd.
I think the biggest problem is just that we haven't really seen kickstarter actually produce a wildly successful miniatures game the way we expect. Minis games are something of an inherent popularity contest, so we assume for a new one to have a chance from kickstarter it needs to be one of these out of control funding explosions. That doesn't seem to actually work from what I've seen, but it doesn't change the perception that people aren't interested in the game either.
2017/01/03 21:41:32
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
I get that, but the impression I get from Buzzsaw is that he's not backing or even interested. He's just coming in doing his analysis thing. To either misunderstand the project to the point of thinking they're doing something they've never said they're doing, or simply make something up to try and further prove a negative point, smacks of getting personally involved. It call into question critical analysis when you can't be objective, and critical analysis is all he's offering.
About people not being interested, I get the same impression from the online community about Malifaux. The official forum is hardly very active. Almost no one discusses the game online. A Wyrd Place on Facebook seems to be the only really active place, and most of that is just light talk and sharing hobby projects, nothing discussing the meat of the game. Yet it has consistently large tournaments, product is regularly sold out at their own store and stockists. There's obviously people buying and playing Wyrd products, they just don't seem to care much for online discussion.
I think Buzzsaw does have a point about value though. I'm perfectly happy with what I'm getting as a backer, being over 50% off MSRP already. But others clearly want more. I think some suggestions have been pretty sound - making the current troop that's unlocked per faction a freebie might entire pledges to start back up. While Wyrd are adamant about this game standing on its own, I'm sure there's people that would love the chance to buy certain LE Malifaux models through the kickstarter, like models from the Guilder store as add ons.
They do need to do something, because the kickstarter is clearly stalled.
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2017/01/03 22:14:08
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
-Loki- wrote: I get that, but the impression I get from Buzzsaw is that he's not backing or even interested. He's just coming in doing his analysis thing. To either misunderstand the project to the point of thinking they're doing something they've never said they're doing, or simply make something up to try and further prove a negative point, smacks of getting personally involved. It call into question critical analysis when you can't be objective, and critical analysis is all he's offering.
The answer is, I fear, rather simpler and less sinister then you seem implying: I knew the figures were pre-assembled, and I conflated the painted images on the campaign page (and the lack of unpainted images) into the assumption that what was being shown was what you would get. If that error irrevocably colors your impression of my analysis, I see little that I can do to remedy it.
-Loki- wrote: About people not being interested, I get the same impression from the online community about Malifaux. The official forum is hardly very active. Almost no one discusses the game online. A Wyrd Place on Facebook seems to be the only really active place, and most of that is just light talk and sharing hobby projects, nothing discussing the meat of the game. Yet it has consistently large tournaments, product is regularly sold out at their own store and stockists. There's obviously people buying and playing Wyrd products, they just don't seem to care much for online discussion.
I think Buzzsaw does have a point about value though. I'm perfectly happy with what I'm getting as a backer, being over 50% off MSRP already. But others clearly want more. I think some suggestions have been pretty sound - making the current troop that's unlocked per faction a freebie might entire pledges to start back up. While Wyrd are adamant about this game standing on its own, I'm sure there's people that would love the chance to buy certain LE Malifaux models through the kickstarter, like models from the Guilder store as add ons.
They do need to do something, because the kickstarter is clearly stalled.
Again I must caution against the use of MSRP as a gauge for value. After all, if Wyrd claimed that their Titans were worth $200, the discount would be even better, but the value would be identical. As I've proposed with... several examples, I don't think that their product represents value for money at MSRP, and thus their discount is mostly irrelevant.
It's all well and good for Wyrd to imagine that this is a good value: that does not make it so. This is a product where a 'Two-Player starter' is a $300 investment (or am I mistaken about that?). Even we cobble something together starting at the lower pledge value (and thus miss out on Stretch goals) it seems the minimum for two people to play would be $198.
Consider that Infinity currently has two starters (Operation: Icestorm and Operation: Red Veil) that allow two players to start playing their game for $99.99. Even GW has 2 player starters such as Dark Vengance for 40k at $110 MSRP and the AoS starter at $125. PP has two player starters for Warmachine at $89.99 and for Hordes.
Since Buzzsaw mentioned the size of the colossals/gargantuans can be extremely large, I thought I would try to be more objective and look at the sizes of some other PP "plastic" ones at $110 (all released in 2016) to The Other Side "plastic" Titans.
From left to right, you have a Horde gargantuan, then 2 of The Other Side Titans, 2 War Machine Colossals, and finally The Other Side Titan Renders (for the two without a miniature version shown yet). Based on experience with Malifaux renders, those titan renders may not be to scale with each other (Edit #2: Confirmed by Wyrd that the Titan renders are not to scale, so ignore them in the pic above ). All the figures shown in the image are on 120 mm bases and is what I used to try to roughly scale these different images to be of same size. The Gargantuan is extremely large due to the wingspan (maybe several of the Gargantuans/Colossals have the huge wing spans?).
Is the price of the Titans at MSRP seems expensive? For me, yes it does. Is it more expensive compared to other table top war game companies? Not really.
I already like the aesthetics of The Other Side (to each their own). So when I can get Titans for ~$25 through a pledge (Tyrant Pledge), it is a big savings for me. Unless you consider 66-70% not a huge saving. That is subjective of course and to each their own.
Buzzsaw wrote: Consider that Infinity currently has two starters (Operation: Icestorm and Operation: Red Veil) that allow two players to start playing their game for $99.99. Even GW has 2 player starters such as Dark Vengance for 40k at $110 MSRP and the AoS starter at $125. PP has two player starters for Warmachine at $89.99 and for Hordes.
The only one I'd consider a good comparison are the PP starters.
Icestorm and Red Veil are fantastic value, but you're getting 14 metal miniatures - half of what you get in an Allegiance box, two seven model forces. It's a skirmish game. Skirmish games by their nature need less models.
GW may offer a 2 player starter, but it's hilariously unbalanced and not even legal unless you play, from what I understand, Unbound which has no Force organisation. Even playing unbound, again, the Dark Vengeange armies are hilariously skewed to the Dark Angels. Quite plainly, you need to buy more, so Dark Vengeance simply doesn't work as a comparison because it's doesn't give you legal starting armies, or even starting armies that can fairly be played against each other.
With the Allegiance boxes, you're getting a full 1 commander army. It's ready to play our of the box, legal and finished. Warmachine is a better comparison because, from what I understand, it's a legal starter army, it's just very small. However, you're getting 2/3 of the models you get in an Allegiance box. The cost seems fairly similar, if slightly higher on Wyrds part. It's just that TOS uses more models in the smallest game size so they've gone with single army boxes.
2017/01/03 22:37:45
Subject: Re:The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
New update. Huge change with addons and stretch goal changes! More free models!
Edit: Just saw that Akai linked the update in their post.
Hi everyone,
I have some great news for you!
With the funding you are currently providing, we're off to a very strong start for this game. We're hoping to push things even further than the initial goal, with a big launch and a lot of available units. To this end, we have managed to lock down some additional funding. By canceling a few other (so far unannounced) projects, we are able to put more funding into The Other Side. We believe very strongly in this game, and we want backers to be able to play it the way we envision it. Some trimming here and there, and we are able to do even more for this Kickstarter.
What this means for backers is that we are able to move all of our add on unlocks directly to the add ons, allowing backers to get the units they are most interested in. Interested in the ECB Black Ops? You can now add them! Want some of the Steel Legion? They're available now!
We are really happy to be able to make this shift in the Kickstarter, making sure our backers are able to start playing day one with the units they want. We will begin posting the unit's rules in updates this week, getting them all out to you over the next few weeks.
What does this mean for Stretch Goals?
Well, it means we get to reorganize all of it, dropping out the add on unlocks. Check out this new map!
Now, every single one of our Stretch Goals adds value to Commander level pledges and above.
We also heard backers' concerns about the number of free models included in this Kickstarter, so we've added more and pushed the value to achieve them down even more. This means the free Squad (for Commander level and above) is in our very next Stretch Goal at $250,000! Tokens, an app, and a free Squad are very close.
You can see the the list of freebies on the map, adding even more value to your Pledges.
As a final part of the update, we've also made a few changes to the front of the Kickstarter, adding in some links to the playtester gameplay videos and to our website showing off model renders. This should help new supporters find all the information they need.
It's great to know that, with your help, we are able to deliver this game at the size we want to. We are so happy to be able to make these changes, and we look forward to sharing more information about all the amazing units in the coming days.
Thank you for your support, and we'll see you on the Other Side!
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2017/01/03 22:38:43
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
With the funding you are currently providing, we're off to a very strong start for this game. We're hoping to push things even further than the initial goal, with a big launch and a lot of available units. To this end, we have managed to lock down some additional funding. By canceling a few other (so far unannounced) projects, we are able to put more funding into The Other Side. We believe very strongly in this game, and we want backers to be able to play it the way we envision it. Some trimming here and there, and we are able to do even more for this Kickstarter.
Hmmm...
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It used to be by $375K you get 1 squad and 1 adjunct added and by $500K you get the syndicate model and 1 champion .
The new SG map, $300K to get to where the previous one was at $375.
The new SG map, for each allegiance you choose, by 500K you should get 1 additional squad, 3 adjuncts, 2 champions, and syndicate. So 4 more additional freebies with the new SG plan.
I wonder what other projects were canceled...we may never know...
2017/01/03 22:52:48
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
Buzzsaw wrote: Consider that Infinity currently has two starters (Operation: Icestorm and Operation: Red Veil) that allow two players to start playing their game for $99.99. Even GW has 2 player starters such as Dark Vengance for 40k at $110 MSRP and the AoS starter at $125. PP has two player starters for Warmachine at $89.99 and for Hordes.
The only one I'd consider a good comparison are the PP starters.
Icestorm and Red Veil are fantastic value, but you're getting 14 metal miniatures - half of what you get in an Allegiance box, two seven model forces. It's a skirmish game. Skirmish games by their nature need less models.
GW may offer a 2 player starter, but it's hilariously unbalanced and not even legal unless you play, from what I understand, Unbound which has no Force organisation. Even playing unbound, again, the Dark Vengeange armies are hilariously skewed to the Dark Angels. Quite plainly, you need to buy more, so Dark Vengeance simply doesn't work as a comparison because it's doesn't give you legal starting armies, or even starting armies that can fairly be played against each other.
With the Allegiance boxes, you're getting a full 1 commander army. It's ready to play our of the box, legal and finished. Warmachine is a better comparison because, from what I understand, it's a legal starter army, it's just very small. However, you're getting 2/3 of the models you get in an Allegiance box. The cost seems fairly similar, if slightly higher on Wyrds part. It's just that TOS uses more models in the smallest game size so they've gone with single army boxes.
Just a brief response: I seem to have poorly conveyed my point here, which is less that these represent great values that ought to be compared. As you note, it's rather hard to compare metal to plastic to PVC, even without different game genres.
Rather my point is that there is a point of entry for players that have no experience. The two player starter set at around $100 is mostly about psychology of getting people to invest in the game and to try the rules. 2 Allegiance boxes are a better way to start a complete faction collection, for certain, but they are a much worse way of getting people to try the game in the first place.
Buzzsaw wrote: [Just a brief response: I seem to have poorly conveyed my point here, which is less that these represent great values that ought to be compared. As you note, it's rather hard to compare metal to plastic to PVC, even without different game genres.
Rather my point is that there is a point of entry for players that have no experience. The two player starter set at around $100 is mostly about psychology of getting people to invest in the game and to try the rules. 2 Allegiance boxes are a better way to start a complete faction collection, for certain, but they are a much worse way of getting people to try the game in the first place.
I assume you would know, but just to be objective and to be on the same page, PVC is a type of plastic. Not all plastic are PVC.
2017/01/03 23:09:31
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
Buzzsaw wrote: Consider that Infinity currently has two starters (Operation: Icestorm and Operation: Red Veil) that allow two players to start playing their game for $99.99. Even GW has 2 player starters such as Dark Vengance for 40k at $110 MSRP and the AoS starter at $125. PP has two player starters for Warmachine at $89.99 and for Hordes.
The only one I'd consider a good comparison are the PP starters.
Icestorm and Red Veil are fantastic value, but you're getting 14 metal miniatures - half of what you get in an Allegiance box, two seven model forces. It's a skirmish game. Skirmish games by their nature need less models.
GW may offer a 2 player starter, but it's hilariously unbalanced and not even legal unless you play, from what I understand, Unbound which has no Force organisation. Even playing unbound, again, the Dark Vengeange armies are hilariously skewed to the Dark Angels. Quite plainly, you need to buy more, so Dark Vengeance simply doesn't work as a comparison because it's doesn't give you legal starting armies, or even starting armies that can fairly be played against each other.
With the Allegiance boxes, you're getting a full 1 commander army. It's ready to play our of the box, legal and finished. Warmachine is a better comparison because, from what I understand, it's a legal starter army, it's just very small. However, you're getting 2/3 of the models you get in an Allegiance box. The cost seems fairly similar, if slightly higher on Wyrds part. It's just that TOS uses more models in the smallest game size so they've gone with single army boxes.
Just a brief response: I seem to have poorly conveyed my point here, which is less that these represent great values that ought to be compared. As you note, it's rather hard to compare metal to plastic to PVC, even without different game genres.
Rather my point is that there is a point of entry for players that have no experience. The two player starter set at around $100 is mostly about psychology of getting people to invest in the game and to try the rules. 2 Allegiance boxes are a better way to start a complete faction collection, for certain, but they are a much worse way of getting people to try the game in the first place.
Downside is it's simply how it seems they've designed the game, being based on how many commanders you want to play rather than just based on points.
2017/01/03 23:31:08
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
akai wrote: It used to be by $375K you get 1 squad and 1 adjunct added and by $500K you get the syndicate model and 1 champion .
The new SG map, $300K to get to where the previous one was at $375.
The new SG map, for each allegiance you choose, by 500K you should get 1 additional squad, 3 adjuncts, 2 champions, and syndicate. So 4 more additional freebies with the new SG plan.
I wonder what other projects were canceled...we may never know...
It's actually only 3 additional freebies. 2 Adjunct models and 1 Champion...Apparently this has made them 'cancel other projects' which I'm not buying.
40K - Chaos Space Marines, Death Guard, Genestealer Cult, Iron Hands
AoS - Blades of Khorne, Kharadron Overlords, Lumineth, Nighthaunt, Ossiarch Bonereapers, Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth
2017/01/03 23:40:53
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
The cancelling other projects sounds like it's got less to do with the freebies and more to do with putting everything into production. The original stretch goals were spaced out to unlock the production of the various squads, which would cover printing and cutting up the masters and working through testing the casting and construction for each. Now they've just thrown all of them in and they're using their own money for that and hoping the kickstarter funds high enough to offset it later.
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2017/01/03 23:45:19
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
So, when a "free" unit is unlocked, is it backers choice, or is it the one pictured per faction?
I know its unlikely at this point, and that the pricing is quite erratic (a motorcycle costs more than a nine-model unit?), but if they managed to unlock this free unit, and another, I could see myself considering things. That said, it would mean we're beyond the current stretch map, which I suspect may not be reached in the time remaining.
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted)
2017/01/03 23:47:03
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
-Loki- wrote: The cancelling other projects sounds like it's got less to do with the freebies and more to do with putting everything into production. The original stretch goals were spaced out to unlock the production of the various squads, which would cover printing and cutting up the masters and working through testing the casting and construction for each. Now they've just thrown all of them in and they're using their own money for that and hoping the kickstarter funds high enough to offset it later.
If the project doesn't make it to $500k you're right they may have to offset the production of the add on units but what I would say is they've not exactly made the deal much better. It's basically same as usual but they're hoping by unlocking the add on's now it will give the KS some traction.
What would give the KS some traction is to make the initial buy in more appetising that's the core issue here and they seem reluctant to address it.
40K - Chaos Space Marines, Death Guard, Genestealer Cult, Iron Hands
AoS - Blades of Khorne, Kharadron Overlords, Lumineth, Nighthaunt, Ossiarch Bonereapers, Stormcast Eternals, Sylvaneth
2017/01/04 00:23:43
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
i am loving the look of these models, but PVC is a no-go for me...
pre-assembled is even more of a deal-breaker...
this game is hitting all of the wrong notes on minis, for me, but the world building and renders are incredible...
such a bummer...
i really want to like the models!!!
i would love to see these in HIPS, even though i have had nothing but bad experiences with the Malifaux plastics, i would be happy to give Wyrd another chance...
i really like their metals, i'm so-so on their plastics, but have no interest in PVC from any of the mini makers in the market...
oh well, i guess i will just have to hope that an Abyssinian or King's Empire army land in the commission queue one day...
the concepts are so cool...
i love that Wyrd is so unique in their world building vision, and wish them the best of luck
cheers
jah
Paint like ya got a pair!
Available for commissions.
2017/01/04 00:24:12
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: So, when a "free" unit is unlocked, is it backers choice, or is it the one pictured per faction?
At the end in the pledge manager you will pick an Allegiance for each Allegiance box you are getting. This determines the free models. If you choose Gibbering Hordes, all the free models are the Gibbering Hordes models. If you have a dual commander, you get a freebie per Allegiance box. If you pick Kings Empire and Abyssinia, you'll get Kings Empire and Abyssinia freebies. At Tyrant level you get one of each Allegiance box, so you get a set of freebies for each Allegiance.
2017/01/04 00:31:34
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: So, when a "free" unit is unlocked, is it backers choice, or is it the one pictured per faction?
At the end in the pledge manager you will pick an Allegiance for each Allegiance box you are getting. This determines the free models. If you choose Gibbering Hordes, all the free models are the Gibbering Hordes models. If you have a dual commander, you get a freebie per Allegiance box. If you pick Kings Empire and Abyssinia, you'll get Kings Empire and Abyssinia freebies. At Tyrant level you get one of each Allegiance box, so you get a set of freebies for each Allegiance.
No, I understand that, but would an Empire choice then further let you choose WHICH Empire unit you get for free, as per the next stretch-goal?
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted)
2017/01/04 00:32:11
Subject: The Ongoing Wyrd Malifaux News Thread - The Other Side KS is now live!
-Loki- wrote: The cancelling other projects sounds like it's got less to do with the freebies and more to do with putting everything into production. The original stretch goals were spaced out to unlock the production of the various squads, which would cover printing and cutting up the masters and working through testing the casting and construction for each. Now they've just thrown all of them in and they're using their own money for that and hoping the kickstarter funds high enough to offset it later.
If the project doesn't make it to $500k you're right they may have to offset the production of the add on units but what I would say is they've not exactly made the deal much better. It's basically same as usual but they're hoping by unlocking the add on's now it will give the KS some traction.
That's the impression I get. They've essentially put the 500k work of development money in themselves. I'd assume that if the kickstarter hits 500k those other projects will likely still be worked on, though they're not going to say that in the kickstarter.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: So, when a "free" unit is unlocked, is it backers choice, or is it the one pictured per faction?
At the end in the pledge manager you will pick an Allegiance for each Allegiance box you are getting. This determines the free models. If you choose Gibbering Hordes, all the free models are the Gibbering Hordes models. If you have a dual commander, you get a freebie per Allegiance box. If you pick Kings Empire and Abyssinia, you'll get Kings Empire and Abyssinia freebies. At Tyrant level you get one of each Allegiance box, so you get a set of freebies for each Allegiance.
No, I understand that, but would an Empire choice then further let you choose WHICH Empire unit you get for free, as per the next stretch-goal?
It's the pictured unit.
Gibbering hordes - Armored Whelks Kings Empire - Field Intelligence Corps Abyssinia - Bathoso Cavalry Cult - Doomseekers
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. The price structure Wyrd has used for The Other Side, seems to scale similarly with Malifaux prcing (less per troop models, more per commander models so far).
11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
3730 Total (210pts painted) 
). All the figures shown in the image are on 120 
