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2013/11/05 16:53:42
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
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Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search.
The lawsuit claims that Deming Police tried taking Eckert to an emergency room in Deming, but a doctor there refused to perform the anal cavity search citing it was "unethical."
But physicians at the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City agreed to perform the procedure and a few hours later, Eckert was admitted.
What Happened
While there, Eckert was subjected to repeated and humiliating forced medical procedures. A review of Eckert's medical records, which he released to KOB, and details in the lawsuit show the following happened:
1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.
Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures.
"If the officers in Hidalgo County and the City of Deming are seeking warrants for anal cavity searches based on how they're standing and the warrant allows doctors at the Gila Hospital of Horrors to go in and do enemas and colonoscopies without consent, then anyone can be seized and that's why the public needs to know about this," Kennedy said.
Search Warrant Concerns
There are major concerns about the way the search warrant was carried out. Kennedy argues that the search warrant was overly broad and lacked probable cause. But beyond that, the warrant was only valid in Luna County, where Deming is located. The Gila Regional Medical Center is in Grant County. That means all of the medical procedures were performed illegally and the doctors who performed the procedures did so with no legal basis and no consent from the patient.
In addition, even if the search warrant was executed in the correct New Mexico county, the warrant expired at 10 p.m. Medical records show the prepping for the colonoscopy started at 1 a.m. the following day, three hours after the warrant expired.
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2013/11/05 16:57:13
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
First the "Faith in Humanity" thread comes and people say "Oh, humanity isn't so bad". Then this thread happened.
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2013/11/05 17:31:32
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
I bet they didn't even have the courtesy to give him a reacharound...
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2013/11/05 17:43:01
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.
There's a metaphor for Congress in there somewhere
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2013/11/05 18:15:58
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.
There's a metaphor for Congress in there somewhere
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2013/11/05 19:08:38
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
timetowaste85 wrote: Maybe he should have had drugs in there, so they could find them after the first shot. It's his own fault they did more than one test.
Amidoingitright?
Own fault that they were forced to do more than one test.
Apart from that, yes.
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2013/11/06 00:48:39
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
timetowaste85 wrote: Maybe he should have had drugs in there, so they could find them after the first shot. It's his own fault they did more than one test.
Amidoingitright?
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2013/11/06 00:51:38
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
Anyway, I could see getting a search warrant for an xray, or a cheek swab, but the other things are so invasive I'm not sure doctors should be able to perform them without consent.
They probably would have only done the one test if he had stopped giggling at some point, and yelling "getting warmer!" every time they went back in.
So the cops had to watch while he took a dump...twice? Priceless.
Strangely I'm thinking there's going to be a lawsuit, then a quick quiet settlement...
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2013/11/06 07:38:42
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
The doctors did discover a boquet of roses in there while doing there search. Upon its removal, the defendant was heard to say, "Ooooh, Read the card, read the card"
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2013/11/06 13:16:15
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
Anyway, I could see getting a search warrant for an xray, or a cheek swab, but the other things are so invasive I'm not sure doctors should be able to perform them without consent.
They probably would have only done the one test if he had stopped giggling at some point, and yelling "getting warmer!" every time they went back in.
The hospital even billed Eckert for the procedures and is threatening to take him to collections if he doesn’t pay.
wow.
Thanks, Obama.
They want to CHARGE him for doing several forced procedures? Jesus H Christ youve got to be kidding me. Im pretty sure his lawyer laughed so hard he shat himself reading that one
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2013/11/06 13:28:31
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
The hospital even billed Eckert for the procedures and is threatening to take him to collections if he doesn’t pay.
wow.
Thanks, Obama.
They want to CHARGE him for doing several forced procedures? Jesus H Christ youve got to be kidding me. Im pretty sure his lawyer laughed so hard he shat himself reading that one
I hope that he will be able to handle this the same way that we handled a bill from the anesthesiologist for my wife. She had to have a mole removed from her toe and during our pre-op visit with the surgeon she signed an informed consent for local anesthesia and a nerve block. When she got to the surgery the anesthesiologist started to give her the drugs for full blown anesthesia before she even knew what was happening and she even heard the surgeon tell him "we were just going to do a nerve block" and he replied "meh, I already started...".
We ended up getting a nice hefty bill for anesthesiology services and just wrote him a nice letter telling him that he has three options:
a) he can produce a valid informed consent giving him permission to put my wife under, and we would be happy to pay the bill
b) he can make this bill magically disappear and neither of us will speak another word of it
c) he can send us another bill next month saying we are past due and we will be sending a letter form an attorney for assault and/or malpractice
We never heard from him again...
2013/11/06 13:31:37
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
d-usa wrote: I hope that he will be able to handle this the same way that we handled a bill from the anesthesiologist for my wife. She had to have a mole removed from her toe and during our pre-op visit with the surgeon she signed an informed consent for local anesthesia and a nerve block. When she got to the surgery the anesthesiologist started to give her the drugs for full blown anesthesia before she even knew what was happening and she even heard the surgeon tell him "we were just going to do a nerve block" and he replied "meh, I already started...".
We ended up getting a nice hefty bill for anesthesiology services and just wrote him a nice letter telling him that he has three options:
a) he can produce a valid informed consent giving him permission to put my wife under, and we would be happy to pay the bill
b) he can make this bill magically disappear and neither of us will speak another word of it
c) he can send us another bill next month saying we are past due and we will be sending a letter form an attorney for assault and/or malpractice
We never heard from him again...
That was probably the best way to handle that, nice one
2013/11/06 15:12:39
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
The hospital even billed Eckert for the procedures and is threatening to take him to collections if he doesn’t pay.
wow.
Thanks, Obama.
They want to CHARGE him for doing several forced procedures? Jesus H Christ youve got to be kidding me. Im pretty sure his lawyer laughed so hard he shat himself reading that one
I hope that he will be able to handle this the same way that we handled a bill from the anesthesiologist for my wife. She had to have a mole removed from her toe and during our pre-op visit with the surgeon she signed an informed consent for local anesthesia and a nerve block. When she got to the surgery the anesthesiologist started to give her the drugs for full blown anesthesia before she even knew what was happening and she even heard the surgeon tell him "we were just going to do a nerve block" and he replied "meh, I already started...".
We ended up getting a nice hefty bill for anesthesiology services and just wrote him a nice letter telling him that he has three options:
a) he can produce a valid informed consent giving him permission to put my wife under, and we would be happy to pay the bill
b) he can make this bill magically disappear and neither of us will speak another word of it
c) he can send us another bill next month saying we are past due and we will be sending a letter form an attorney for assault and/or malpractice
We never heard from him again...
Exalted.
Just goes to show that everyone needs to review their billing statements.
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Awesome new game? Proctologist Simulator 2013 is such a gakky game...
Spoiler'ed... not sure if it nsfw or... um... mods... remove?
Spoiler:
O.o
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2013/11/06 16:11:56
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
This thread is even funnier when you work in a hospital. The office next to me is our compliance officer. Forwarded the news story and I could hear him in my office say “holly s**t, we would be f****d.” He clearly is good at his job.
2013/11/06 18:13:12
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
Put that as my boss' computer background for when he comes back
"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
FREEDOM!!!
- d-usa
2013/11/07 01:10:15
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
Well, luckily it was an Isolated Incident. Oh wait...
4 On Your Side reveals another traffic stop nightmare
It's a story that has left the entire country wondering about the state of law enforcement in New Mexico.
4 On Your Side revealed how David Eckert rolled through a stop sign in Deming.
A K-9 named Leo alerted that it sniffed drugs on Eckert's driver's seat.
And, for the next 14 hours, those police officers, and doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center performed eight medical procedures including x-rays, rectal finger exams, enemas, and finally a colonoscopy.
According to a federal lawsuit, officers Bobby Orosco and Robert Chavez were two of the officers involved, and they never found drugs inside Eckert.
Our investigation reveals another chapter. Another man, another minor traffic violation, another incident with Leo the K-9 and another example of the violation of a man's body.
Police reports state deputies stopped Timothy Young because he turned without putting his blinker on.
Again, Leo the K-9 alerts on Young's seat.
Young is taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, and just like Eckert, he's subjected to medical procedures including x-rays of his stomach and an anal exam.
Again, police found nothing, and again the procedures were done without consent, and in a county not covered by the search warrant.
We've learned more about that drug dog, Leo, that seems to get it wrong pretty often. He might be getting it wrong because he's not even certified in New Mexico.
If you take a look at the dog's certification, the dog did get trained. But his certification to be a drug dog expired in April 2011. K-9s need yearly re-certification courses, and Leo is falling behind.
"We have done public requests to find anything that would show this dog has been trained, we have evidence that this dog has had false alerts in the past," Eckert's attorney Shannon Kennedy said.
The doctors from the Gila Regional Medical Center have been turned over to the state licensing board. It's possible they could lose the ability to practice medicine.
And the police officers will be answering to a law enforcement board.
Same Dog, same cops, same hospital. Now, the question is will anything actually happen to them, when the heat has died down...
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2013/11/07 01:35:24
Subject: Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
d-usa wrote: Same dog, same cops, same hospital.....same guy.....same story....
Two guys, Young and Eckhart.
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2013/11/07 02:03:04
Subject: Re:Looking for drugs in all the wrong places...
I would OWN the hospital and the county that were responsible for this. This is unacceptable in every way. I would not be happy about a friggin xray but there is no way that I would allow a rectal exam without the word 'combative' being put in the police report about me.
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