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Hi Dakkadakka,

One of my peeps at the local club has been running a screamerstar to great effect. It doesn't hurt that he's uber-competitive and a very good player. Meanwhile I'm a very middle-of-the-road player. I ran into the corndog version of this list at the Nova Open and it just steam rolled me - twice. I know killing off FW is sort of key but is there anything I could throw at a screamerstar that would tarpit them for a couple of turns? Up until recently I played necrons and have just switched to the Tau bandwagon only to find most of those people hopping onto the Eldar bandwagon So anyway I have a full compliment of the following armies to ally with make primary what have you: IG, Necron, Tau, GK and some DE. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated - Thanx!

run some of your Grey Knights as Spacewolves and take rune priests.

He has to cast the 4++ psykic power and you deny it with your staff.

Fearless models with invuln saves is a good one. Another option is to attempt with a GK librarian to do the reroll saves malediction in divination. May also shoot for that with an eldar farseer as well. That hurts the star a bit. I'm curious is the book considered a daemonic gift per the grey knight dark excommunication psychic power so you could technically disable the book so they couldn't use it once in melee. Guardsmen could use a psyker conclave and LD 2 the squad making it so they can't easily pass the test to make it a 2++ instead of a 3++. Sorry at work so names are elluding me on most abilities.

ooopppssss...forgot....I have a decent smattering of SW as well so 2 rune priests are an option...

You dont need to tarpit them... one storm raven will gak on that squad. No invuln against perils. You can also focus the missiles on the guy with the grimiore and perils him out. Then its a matter of psychout granades/psycho-brokes and cleanining up his army with instant death and daemon bane.

Indeed GK kinda are perfect against daemons.
Another option is to wraithwing in to tarpit for a while

Cough Mindstrike Cough

Edit: Also, most FAQ that anything pg 61-69 is a Daemonic Gift for Dark Excommunication.

When using the Dark Excommunication psychic power, the following sections from
pages 61-69 of the Chaos Daemons codex are counted as Daemonic Gifts; Ranged
Weapons, Melee Weapons, Daemonic Attributes, Icons & Instruments, Hellforged
Artifacts, Daemonic Rewards, Daemonic Loci, and Daemonic Psychic Powers.
Additionally, anything listed as a Daemonic Gift in a unit’s army list entry is also
counted. Note that Daemonic Steeds and psychic powers generated from the main rule
book are not affected by Dark Excommunication. [pg. 2, C:CD]

From the BAO FAQ

GK stormraven with mindstrike missiles gunning for his heralds... Orbital strike relays also have a psyshock weapon.

Karamazov (has a strike relay)
Vindicaire (Shield breaker round!)
Henchmen
Stormraven

This combo is also very good at taking out seer counsel eldar (not the farseer though as he can cancel perils) and Tau buff commanders.

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:

Vindicaire (Shield breaker round!)

The Grimiore does not grant an invuln, it only makes it better, so you cannot break it with shield breaker.

Stormravens are the way to go.

DE Beast pack with Khymera.

I've got a storm raven but I don't see how the mindstrike missiles would help. If the heralds are buried in the middle of the star and I drop a couple of missiles on them even if it hit them dead on wouldn't the damage be taken from the part of the star closest to the storm raven? I know it says any psyker hit by a MS missile but does it count as being hit if it's not the model taking the damage?

Also, can I fire all 4 of the missiles at once when I first come on the board? Or do I have to hover because each missile would be considered a separate weapon?

You're limited to 2 missiles per the BRB (Flyers can only shoot 2). The GK FAQ states that any psyker under the template takes perils, so if you hit the herald the S4 AP5 hits would go on the closest models but the herald would take the perils.

Could POTMS allow me to fire the other two missiles?

 necron99 wrote:
I've got a storm raven but I don't see how the mindstrike missiles would help. If the heralds are buried in the middle of the star and I drop a couple of missiles on them even if it hit them dead on wouldn't the damage be taken from the part of the star closest to the storm raven? I know it says any psyker hit by a MS missile but does it count as being hit if it's not the model taking the damage?

GK FAQ:
Q: How do you work out whether a psyker is affected by the Psi-
shock special rule on a mindstrike missile or a psyk- out bom b? (57,
58)
A: Any psyker under the template will be effected by Psi-shock.

Also, can I fire all 4 of the missiles at once when I first come on the board? Or do I have to hover because each missile would be considered a separate weapon?

You can only fire 2 missiles at a time while Flying.

The Space Wolf trick won't last much longer. Do it while you can.

Naugatan wrote:
You dont need to tarpit them... one storm raven will gak on that squad. No invuln against perils.

No, one Raven doesn't gak on the squad at all, because two Missiles aren't enough to take out 2-3 Heralds unless the Daemon player is an idiot who puts them side by side despite knowing what's coming. You need 2 Ravens at least to put the nail in that coffin.

You just need to take out the Grimoire herald and the rest of the unit crumbles afterward.

 calypso2ts wrote:
You just need to take out the Grimoire herald and the rest of the unit crumbles afterward.

how do you do that with a 2+ lookout sir, if your not running a very specific set of armies (grey knights or rune priest wolves) Don't want to have to use allies every stinking time I go to the store in case this broken list rears its head.

 Orock wrote:

 calypso2ts wrote:
You just need to take out the Grimoire herald and the rest of the unit crumbles afterward.

how do you do that with a 2+ lookout sir, if your not running a very specific set of armies (grey knights or rune priest wolves) Don't want to have to use allies every stinking time I go to the store in case this broken list rears its head.

Can't LOS a perils. Can't make an invul save against it either. 2 hits from Mindstrikes and he goes poof (I think he only has 2 wounds).

rigeld2 wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 calypso2ts wrote:
You just need to take out the Grimoire herald and the rest of the unit crumbles afterward.

how do you do that with a 2+ lookout sir, if your not running a very specific set of armies (grey knights or rune priest wolves) Don't want to have to use allies every stinking time I go to the store in case this broken list rears its head.

Can't LOS a perils. Can't make an invul save against it either. 2 hits from Mindstrikes and he goes poof (I think he only has 2 wounds).

Correct.

Though with scatter, it is far from a guarantee that you will even kill a Herald with it in 1 turn of shooting.

Guard power blob + SoB preacher... eat 50 fearless guardsmen... now the rest of my army will go to town.

Power blobs don't work too well in the current meta, as Eldar and Tau can just erase them.

Martel732 wrote:
Power blobs don't work too well in the current meta, as Eldar and Tau can just erase them.

Trying erasing 3 with fearless while still being shelled to death.

Numbers can beat Eldar and Tau. Then again, bringing up Eldar and Tau are the equivalent of "Simpson's did it!" in the current 40k meta.

Well I did see a Taudar list kill 130 guardsmen, 50 with a 4++ one game. The artillery didn't seem to do much. But yes, "Simpon's did it" is very applicable. It's just hard to ignore the elephant in the corner because they completely drive the meta now.

Seems like GKs need to be erased from existence...

Otherwise, our daemon overlords might have some trouble..

But srsly, why do they get an ability to turn your point system and army into mush? =/ doesn't seem very fair

GKs? They ain't crap anymore. I'm not scared of them at all. Even though I probably should be. If they can't deal 50+ wounds from fast skimmers with 4+ cover saves, they're pansies!

The best bet is a vindicare with icarius lascanon.
You shoot with the icarius (S9) and can thus OS the herald and he cannot LOS.
He only has a 4++ so about half a chance of killing him directly

Between the storm and the vindicare, GK are one of the best bet against screamerstar

sleekid wrote:
The best bet is a vindicare with icarius lascanon.
You shoot with the icarius (S9) and can thus OS the herald and he cannot LOS.
He only has a 4++ so about half a chance of killing him directly

Between the storm and the vindicare, GK are one of the best bet against screamerstar

but the Lascannon is hard to move, so all the daemon player needs to do is keep the important helrald out of line of sight.

I like the rune priests or the Storm Raven better.

 Exergy wrote:

sleekid wrote:
The best bet is a vindicare with icarius lascanon.
You shoot with the icarius (S9) and can thus OS the herald and he cannot LOS.
He only has a 4++ so about half a chance of killing him directly

Between the storm and the vindicare, GK are one of the best bet against screamerstar

but the Lascannon is hard to move, so all the daemon player needs to do is keep the important helrald out of line of sight.

I like the rune priests or the Storm Raven better.

By out of line of sight do you mean on the other side of the board from the assassin? I'm fine with the screamer star hiding from the vindicare. Intelligent deployment dictates that you don't set up a firebase with LOS blocking terrain right in front of it. Unless I'm missing something, Chaos doesn't exactly have an abundance of quality AP fire. Deploying in the open would have few repercussions against daemons.