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Gotta remember, many players today think those muscle bound ones were the original ones. They just were not born yet when the game came out and so never got to read the original chaos fluff. The original were even skinnier and lankier than the current ones.
the fluff has them running alongside the fleshhounds often as handlers or on all fours themselves. Their strength did not come from physical muscle, it came from the warp and the long arms. trust me the longer the arm, the greater the strength can be brought to bear on the snap of a sword when it hit. I know this from having longer arms than average. The muscle brain ones couldn't even consider keeping up with fleshhounds. Like I said, they were excellent models, they just did not fit the fluff near as well as the originals and current ones.

Tau pathfinders-I love the poses of them despite being more expensive then the current ones.

What's up with the hate I see toward new daemons on this board? In particular, I cannot fathom how the old Horrors and old Plaguebearers look better than their current ones.

Umm...

None of them.

GW miniatures have been getting pretty much straight just better over time, at least with regards to replacements. They've been getting larger, more detailed, easier to put together, with more bitz and in plastic, so they're cheaper. I guess I could see daemonettes, but I've always found their design to be so-so, at best.

Not that I like all GW minis, but the ones I don't like are all first versions of things, like chosen, and storm ravens, and the like.

Necron Wraiths. I actually preferred the modified-necron kind to the modified-tomb spyder kind.

I prefer the 3rd Bloodletters and the 3rd Daemonettes to the newer ones. They just looked better, imo.

The old Raptors were ace, they were unique, and had a cool "giger-esque" visual to them, sleek and avian looking. The new ones aren't bad but aren't really unique either, they're just spikier CSM's with jump packs, they lost a lot of personality.

I like the old daemonnettes better than the new ones, but I can see what they were going for with the new ones.

I really *hate* the new Chimera tank kit. The turret most of all, it looks too blocky and tall. That and it doesn't come with the accessory sprue anymore (which is $15 by itself) and went *up* in price

 Ailaros wrote:
Umm...

None of them.

GW miniatures have been getting pretty much straight just better over time, at least with regards to replacements. They've been getting larger, more detailed, easier to put together, with more bitz and in plastic, so they're cheaper. I guess I could see daemonettes, but I've always found their design to be so-so, at best.

Not that I like all GW minis, but the ones I don't like are all first versions of things, like chosen, and storm ravens, and the like.

That's pretty much my opinion too. I hardly ever see a re-made model which I think looks worse than the previous design and when I do it's usually a case of a bad model being replaced by something only slightly worse, like Flayed Ones, or Catachans.

GW release plenty of models I don't like, but most of them are either new things or new versions which improve design I never liked in the first place, but not enough.

 gossipmeng wrote:
Vote goes to the old CSM raptors - they looked sleek and unique. The new raptors are just spikey marines with jetpacks.

I'll have to disagree, I just built and primed 20 of the new Raptors and they are utterly lovely. The new CSM models (Aspiring champion, DV, Raptors, etc) are a pain to paint because they have so much fiddly detail, but they still look epic.

Daemonettes. That really is it for me.

Just looked to see why everyone was liking the older raptor models. I was actually surprised because they all looked different and had daemonic faces and icons and tails and whatnot. I had thought I was one of the few who actually liked having a chaos feel to them.I was never a fan of the newer bland bullet looking ones with no character. Then I saw that they had a newer version of them that harkered back towards the older ones and people were liking the "now" older bland ones.
I actually like the new ones. Some say they look like chaos marines with jump packs. Well, they ARE chaos marines with jump packs. These have additional "raptery" style additions.

The 2nd version of Pink Horrors is by far the best version (the weird, twisted version with the blue horror clawing its way out of the pink horror's mouth). When painted up, they look fantastic, far better than the odd faces with big hands 1st version (although I do use one of those as a herald), and the rather generic horrors that are out now.

I like the old Catachan metal minis. They didn't look all pumped out on steroids like the current plastic infantry kit. The down side, you only had one pose for the plasma gun, melta gun, and other special weapons. I am not of fan of the heavy flamer catachans, those are horrible.

I don't know, I think people have some pretty selective memories when it comes to the old metal catachan. The newer ones aren't great, but they're not THAT bad, and because they're both plastic, and multi-part, you can actually DO something about the new catachan ugliness. Back in the day, you had a bunch of mono-pose ugly metal models you couldn't do anything with.

I mean, I don't know how people are remembering a golden age of catachan models when you had...







Nothing in the new range of catachan compares to this level of bad.

Not a fan of the wounded flamer guy, but the rest look kinda cool. Wouldn't mind having them to mix in with my plastics.

As a Chaos Marine player, I'd have to say: Daemonettes.

As a Space Marine player, I'd have to say: Daemonettes.

As an IG player, I'd have to say: Daemonettes.

As a Vampire Counts player, I'd have to say: Ghouls.

Oh, and Daemonettes. I'm not sure if I mentioned those already.

I for one an very glad they are on the 3rd incarnation of Eldar Aspect Warriors, as the middle set of them was bad across the board. Especially the Striking Scorpions, blech. The only good models of the bunch were the Dark Reapers with the rounded "skull" helms, I love my copies of those.

I actually prefer the entire original Eldar Aspect warrior range from the 90's (other than the horrible jetbike riders that still somehow exist) to be fielded alongside the modern plastic Guardians and Dire Avengers. I actually went completely out of my way to get a squad of 2nd edition Rangers, as I think they look far better then the modern ones, and I plan on doing the same for Fire Dragons. As an added bonus, 10 like-new bare metal Rangers from ebay cost me less than the basic 5 finecast rangers would cost new.

 Wilytank wrote:
What's up with the hate I see toward new daemons on this board? In particular, I cannot fathom how the old Horrors and old Plaguebearers look better than their current ones.

I can say the reason for the old Horrors. They weren't just giggling madmen. In the 2nd edition metal models, they were giggling mad men that were tearing their maw wide as two blue horrors crawled out. There was something delightful about the creeping sensation of these energetic little blobs that clap their hands in awe suddenly vommiting out themself skin falling and fading

The Baneblade and Shadowsword (and variants). The original all-resin FW kits look so much better than the current plastic ones, and the old Shadowsword with interior detail is just awesome.

 Jackal wrote:
How the hell did these:



Turn into these:?




Really dont like the change as the metal older ones were far better.
War daemons should be chunky and carry the favored weapon of their god into war.
Not thin and wispy goat-things with a sword.

These are a hybrid between the original and the 'roid rage version. I have a fair collection of all three for my demon army, and I kind of like the way they look on the table. It is chaos, after all, and the demons are most likely not going to be cookie cutter types.

 Jackal wrote:
How the hell did these:



Turn into these:?




Really dont like the change as the metal older ones were far better.
War daemons should be chunky and carry the favored weapon of their god into war.
Not thin and wispy goat-things with a sword.

The new ones are based off of pre-3rd ed models.

1st ed (I think)


2nd Ed


The 3rd ed and the 2nd ed ones looked better than the new ones. They looked a lot more imposing and tougher.

The supposedly 1st ed ones looks more like something from Spawn.

I personally prefer the Baphomet versions from 3rd ed.

The original fluff for them is that they were hunters that could run alongside the fleshhounds and keep up. The newer ones are actually in line with the fluff both original and contemporary. Musclebound guys who cant even wipe their own butts much less chase down a wounded turtle just aren't "scary" or in keeping with the fluff at all.

Manticore. The FW manticore was AWESOME. The GW one, meh.

 Ailaros wrote:
I don't know, I think people have some pretty selective memories when it comes to the old metal catachan. The newer ones aren't great, but they're not THAT bad, and because they're both plastic, and multi-part, you can actually DO something about the new catachan ugliness. Back in the day, you had a bunch of mono-pose ugly metal models you couldn't do anything with.

I mean, I don't know how people are remembering a golden age of catachan models when you had...

In the 41st millenium there is only fist pump.








I think the old metal CCW/BP scouts were far superior to their plastic replacement.

I like the new SM veterans, but the old ones were art.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Loved the old 2nd edition ones.

Seriously?

 sing your life wrote:
I like the new SM veterans, but the old ones were art.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Loved the old 2nd edition ones.

Seriously?

The carnifex? Yeah, definitely. If they had only made it plastic and more posable, I'd have been delighted.



Not mine, by the way.


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Think it's well scarier (and more capable of tank crushing) than this fella.

I really liked the older stealth suits, i think they are stealthier.

The first ed bloodletters were pretty sweet and should've been expanded on instead of changed so dramatically.

Also, daemonettes.......maybe i just like titties but their last edition sculpt was way better than the new one. The new one just seems to....disfigured....im basing my decision purely on looks because i know NONE of the fluff.


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Also, i like the newer fexes instead of the giant genestealerfex lol

While it wasn't a massive re-design, I far preferred the older design with the far less clustered armour plates. These aren't terrible, but just feel inferior.



Just look at those fabulous poses. Strutting their metallic stuff on the catwalk of death.

I know I'm pretty much alone with my thinking on this one... But I prefer the previous metal plaugebearers compared to the new plastic ones.

I like the OLD metal plaguebearers. Not the ones that were used through most of 5th, the gersion before-had a big horn and looked almost like an eating-after-midnight-gremlin. 5th edition for fantasy, I believe.