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 azreal13 wrote:

The issue with armour is that save modifiers don't really work well in a d6 system either (as a veteran of 2nd, everything but TDA was largely irrelevant a lot of the time)

I actually meant the strict IGOUGO turn structure (I really miss real overwatch) rather than the AP system. I much prefer more dynamic turns or even something like FoW's defensive fire.

One option for a proper AP system is a weapon specific modifier (ranging from 0 to -4) small arms don't have one while heavy AT weapons have -4. That would allow some uncertainly while keeping saves meaningful. Of course it won't be as 'realistic' but since when was that even remotely important in 40k.

 azreal13 wrote:
The issue with armour is that save modifiers don't really work well in a d6 system either (as a veteran of 2nd, everything but TDA was largely irrelevant a lot of the time).

One of the biggest shocks for me in my first demo game of 3rd Ed was the concept of Marines being able to take their 3+ save. That just never happened in 2nd Ed.

Loved 5th... hate 6th! Would be happy to see 7th asap!

A new edition so that pistols can be used in CC? Sounds interesting

Out of interest, how many times has that rule been reversed but then re-instated? You could use pistols in CC in 1st/2nd, couldn't in 3rd, could in 4th, couldn't in 5/6th (have I got that right?)

On a separate note I have just had a look through this thread and now wish that I hadn't; other than the 'I want to make a WFB army out of paper miniatures as I can't afford to play otherwise, would you please let me?' thread, has to be the most depressing thing I have read on Dakka all year. Seriously, it's like looking in through the window of the Betty Ford clinic in between all of the crying and wailing of "I just can't take any more, I can't afford it, but I gotta have it!" Presumably the demographic is pretty similar in terms of cost when comparing the BF clinic to keeping on top of all of these new rule/expansion releases

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
The issue with armour is that save modifiers don't really work well in a d6 system either (as a veteran of 2nd, everything but TDA was largely irrelevant a lot of the time).

One of the biggest shocks for me in my first demo game of 3rd Ed was the concept of Marines being able to take their 3+ save. That just never happened in 2nd Ed.

My marines used to get hit by autoguns all the time

Link me to the paper wfb thread.Please.

I've been away from the GW end on the forum boards, so forgive me if I say...

LOLWUT???

6th isn't 2 years old and they are releasing 7th/6.1???

Soooooooo glad I gave up playing GW.

Puscifer wrote:
I've been away from the GW end on the forum boards, so forgive me if I say...

LOLWUT???

6th isn't 2 years old and they are releasing 7th/6.1???

Soooooooo glad I gave up playing GW.

And yet your sig says that you are starting a necron army...

o.O

 Selym wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I've been away from the GW end on the forum boards, so forgive me if I say...

LOLWUT???

6th isn't 2 years old and they are releasing 7th/6.1???

Soooooooo glad I gave up playing GW.

And yet your sig says that you are starting a necron army...

o.O

Nope... CoC - Warmachine... It was the closest thing to a robot.

Dakka needs some Warmahordes signs.

Puscifer wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
I've been away from the GW end on the forum boards, so forgive me if I say...

LOLWUT???

6th isn't 2 years old and they are releasing 7th/6.1???

Soooooooo glad I gave up playing GW.

And yet your sig says that you are starting a necron army...

o.O

Nope... CoC - Warmachine... It was the closest thing to a robot.

Dakka needs some Warmahordes signs.

Fair enough.

Why can't GW just do what Privateer Press does? Come out with the army books with your basic units for each army, then release expansion books with any new units for each army.

How is that better?

I'd rather not buy a new book every month for just one or two new units.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How is that better?

Well, assuming you get the initial core units right, it eliminates power creep to a large extent, means nobody waits years for an update, means you can easily stay up to date with other factions developments if you're interested in playing competitively and makes it much easier to cater to less well supported factions without trying to pull a whole army book and models out of your arse.

While I'm not a huge fan of Warmahordes as a whole (no axe to grind, just not my thang) I do quite like the way they update. I do see there's an argument for paying for stuff you don't need, but then the Warmahordes books are cheaper than Codexes with a lot more content, so that mitigates it a bit.

 BrookM wrote:
I'd rather not buy a new book every month for just one or two new units.

More like about every 9 months to a year with about 8-10 new units (Don't look at Colossals! ). Plus PP advance the storyline, which is a nice tangential point into buying those books.

But knowing GW it would be monthly using that method.

Not to mention if you use their apps, they auto-update to include new unit cards for sets that you've purchased (Cryx for me) instead of the GW, DLC approach.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

And for a lot of people, it was. I'd hazard an estimate that there are damn few 90s veterans still active in the hobby. I have no doubt a lot of those old boycott criers and complainers were in earnest and lived up to their word.

1993

7th edition CSM when?

 3orangewhips wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

And for a lot of people, it was. I'd hazard an estimate that there are damn few 90s veterans still active in the hobby. I have no doubt a lot of those old boycott criers and complainers were in earnest and lived up to their word.

1993

I believe it was 1995 for me. I remember at least I had Necromunda in 7th grade.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 3orangewhips wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

And for a lot of people, it was. I'd hazard an estimate that there are damn few 90s veterans still active in the hobby. I have no doubt a lot of those old boycott criers and complainers were in earnest and lived up to their word.

1993

I believe it was 1995 for me. I remember at least I had Necromunda in 7th grade.

1994 for me. Same as my brother. One of my friends started about the same time and another in 1997, one of my brothers friends in 1995. All of us are still kicking about in 40k.

1999 for me, although to be fair I took a fairly sizable break in there.

I know tons of 90's veterans. Plenty on here as well.

 -Loki- wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

 3orangewhips wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

And for a lot of people, it was. I'd hazard an estimate that there are damn few 90s veterans still active in the hobby. I have no doubt a lot of those old boycott criers and complainers were in earnest and lived up to their word.

1993

I believe it was 1995 for me. I remember at least I had Necromunda in 7th grade.

1994 for me. Same as my brother. One of my friends started about the same time and another in 1997, one of my brothers friends in 1995. All of us are still kicking about in 40k.

2008~ish for me. The 4th ed ork codex was brand new when I started.

A new edition would be... interesting. Really, if it fixed the big issues in six that would work with me.

I think it's a little early for 7th personally.

I for one do like 6th and hope they improve the edition. Please GW don't return to the craptastic 5ed system. 5th really killed off most of the vet players in my area. 40k went from a core playing base of 30 regulars to 10 in a short time because of the abortion know as 5th.

What was wrong with 5th?

Maybe GW is telling their employee's silly stuff in order to figure out who is leaking stuff.

Yay, another edition! Can't wait to read how Games Workshop continues to apply repeated and concentrated force for the express purpose of causing damage to an equine that no longer qualifies as being alive.

I get to rebuy C:SM not one year after I just got it for a princely sum of $50. So exciting Games Workshop! I love plonking half a hundred down on books. It'll be cinematic since I'll get to be like the Imperium itself: Making futile efforts and expending resources I really can't afford to waste in order to wage war.

And the truly funderful part will be when they make Tau/Eldar/Demons crappy and buff the crap out of MEQ codices again.


Oh, Games Workshop, how I love thee.

yeah,
Yay! new starter set.
And if we are lucky new CSM and Cultist box sets to replace the dark vengence units..

But then again that never happened for ork choppers did it?

Panic...

 Sidstyler wrote:
What was wrong with 5th?

Transporthammer didn't appeal to a lot of people, I imagine.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
What was wrong with 5th?

Transporthammer didn't appeal to a lot of people, I imagine.

Except I played Crons in 5th edition even before they got re-done and never had an issue with dealing with Transporthammer players. 10 Rhinos, or units with 2++ re-rollable saves......I wonder which one is worse