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In defense of plague marines, with current dex, plague marines are an incredible buy and out shine just about every other possible troop choice. Cultists are good simply because they're so cheap and can be taken in blobs. Noise marines are the only other ones that come close and when you figure in blastmasters and IoE they become rather expensive and still less durable than plagues.

Wait, plague marines are the best troop choice? Oh..yeah I forgot it's been like since 4th edition, nothing new :p

Lol sorry I picked up csm last year so I wasn't privy to such info :p

Have GW actually done an impromptu minis update before? This rumour feels more like a wishlist is all.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Have GW actually done an impromptu minis update before? This rumour feels more like a wishlist is all.

We've had a few mini waves, Daemons and Nids both got one relatively recently. Plus, with the new connection between weekly WD and new releases, past behaviour isn't really any predictor of future at this point.

I do hope at least some of those rumours will turn out true... Not that I picked CSM to be competitive. They're my favourite WH40k faction and I'll play them no matter what.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Yeah yeah, funny how everyone seemed to pick Nurgle this edition.

I've played Deathguard since 2nd ed (when half my army was Beastmen and Chaos warriors). Every single squad in my army is in multiples of 7, everything has the MoN and there isn't a vehicle in it (flying or otherwise). Its extremely safe to say that the current state of the game has absolutely nothing to do with my army choice. Not everyone is a WAAC player.

The best policy on these rumours is simply to wait out. There is a reasonable chance that some of them may be true but definately not all and we won't know either way for a while.

So far with what we have we can see a bit of the futur.

There is 5 plastic CSM kits rumored to hit us, Clampack Lord, CSM/Chosen and Havocs in the weeks/months to come, with/out a Veteran dataslate.

The rest of the Kits are said to come out in the summer, namely the Helbrute and the Cultists/Plaque zombies.

With in the latest a Crimson Slaughter dataslate/Supplment, and in September we have the Kaizerslautern Campaign, with Imperials Vs Chaos, with a new boxset with models and an updated( including all the FaQs and Stronghold) mini rule book, wich as they stated wil not be 7th Ed, it will still be 6th, just updated ala Chapter Approved Compendium.

It kinda all links together when you look at it, of course its a slingshot, but still.

We allready had leaked pictures of this kaizerslautern thing, and we know that GW needs to release a Cultists, Chosen and dread kits, for new players at least, or even for those who wish to expand their existing force.

So while nothing is 100% sure, i still stay confident about it.

I might be reaching here, but if Mutilators can take infiltrate and/or outflank they might actually become viable, as with MoN or MoT they're actually tough enough to survive the turn of shooting before they can assault.

How I know the rumors aren't true.
A. The fans want this.
B. It would be cool.
C. It would make Chaos less boring.

 MWHistorian wrote:
How I know the rumors aren't true.
A. The fans want this.
B. It would be cool.
C. It would make Chaos less boring.

In this context, I would totally support a bit of an overhaul with a codex just to make it more interesting to play even if viability doesn't exactly climb through the roof.

Almost like a 6.5, wouldn't you say?

All .5 Codices are better.

 WarOne wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
How I know the rumors aren't true.
A. The fans want this.
B. It would be cool.
C. It would make Chaos less boring.

In this context, I would totally support a bit of an overhaul with a codex just to make it more interesting to play even if viability doesn't exactly climb through the roof.

I couldn't agree more. I recently sold my imperials stuff off and i have to say that there are a few things that chaos lacks seriously.

1. Fliers with with a transport capacity. Chibi-hawks would be nice, the ability to carry a dread, troops or a land raider into combat (much less the chibi-hawks missiles or melta payload would be nice).
2. Fast skimmers with a transport capacity (or just a fast skimmer). Thinking here about land speeder storm which is a cheap potentially deadly troop transport with melta payload. Pretty awesome.
3. Drop pod (duh)
4. Ability to take bikes or terminators as troops.
5. anything that outflanks or has the infiltrate special rule would be nice.

I have said it before, chaos lacks the flexibility that the imperials have. We are currently very static as an army which makes 1/3 of the deployments in one off games pretty hard to win. Our army wide rule is more of a penalty than a boon. there are some unique units (spawn and the demon engine) but for the most part imperials have all the toys.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Have GW actually done an impromptu minis update before? This rumour feels more like a wishlist is all.

The current Fire Prism is one of those minis updates and it was also a new unit entirely. So yes, they have. Just not very often and I think with the metal in the old one they had a good excuse to do that one but at the same time I think they have a better excuse to do the Chaos kits since they don't even sell them yet, or happen to be Havocs (which are just a complete joke compared to the Devastator kit).

I agree it looks like a wishlist to me, because we for some reason haven't gotten these things yet. At the same time GW did eventually get around to making Wolves for the Space Wolves...long after people bought their wolf mini's from other games already anyway but having units in the book you don't have multi-part models for can never be bad right?

So GW wants me to buy the *&%# 6th Edition rules and @#$%* CSM codex and then buy the CSM data slates. That's $125+.

GTFO.

Barfolomew wrote:
So GW wants me to buy the *&%# 6th Edition rules and @#$%* CSM codex and then buy the CSM data slates. That's $125+.

GTFO.

You forget the supplements, escalation, deescalation and kindergarten-sandbox-war additions with at least two new and unnecessary special rules each!
So make it $300+ without a cent spent on models or paint

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost like a 6.5, wouldn't you say?

All .5 Codices are better.

Tyranids say hi!

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost like a 6.5, wouldn't you say?

All .5 Codices are better.

Tyranids say hi!

 Extreaminatus wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost like a 6.5, wouldn't you say?

All .5 Codices are better.

Tyranids say hi!

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Umm, is it? Because there was no indication of a joke in that original post. I know you were just waiting to pop that image link, but...

 Kosake wrote:

Barfolomew wrote:
So GW wants me to buy the *&%# 6th Edition rules and @#$%* CSM codex and then buy the CSM data slates. That's $125+.

GTFO.

You forget the supplements, escalation, deescalation and kindergarten-sandbox-war additions with at least two new and unnecessary special rules each!
So make it $300+ without a cent spent on models or paint

But only the rulebook and codex are mandatory. All of those other things are optional.

 Troike wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

Barfolomew wrote:
So GW wants me to buy the *&%# 6th Edition rules and @#$%* CSM codex and then buy the CSM data slates. That's $125+.

GTFO.

You forget the supplements, escalation, deescalation and kindergarten-sandbox-war additions with at least two new and unnecessary special rules each!
So make it $300+ without a cent spent on models or paint

But only the rulebook and codex are mandatory. All of those other things are optional.

Yes, it's totally optional to actually get your stuff fixed and working (Veteran rumor), make fluffy armies (Black legion + the rumorous 4 god-expansions) get own heavies in there when any schoolkid with a rich daddy fields a baneblade (escalation i think) or just even have half as many options as loyalist space marines (possible slates. nothing released so far but will probably come at some point). Definitely nothing that should be packed into the codex as it is....

Yes, those things are optional. As in you don't need them to start playing, and can purchase them at your leisure. Not sure why you're trying to make out that they're mandatory purchases when they're clearly not.

If you don't think you can use literally any codex to make a fluffy army, sans any sort of supplemental material, you aren't actually trying.

IF you meant "a fluffy army that is also tournament caliber," however...well, yeah. You can't do that. That's why fluffy armies and competitive armies have different terminology. They're different things.

 tomjoad wrote:
You can't do that.

You can actually, you just can't do it with poorly designed games.

 Palindrome wrote:

 tomjoad wrote:
You can't do that.

You can actually, you just can't do it with poorly designed games.

If you demand good game design, I'd suggest that Games Workshop is not the company for you.

There's a game where you can take any old fluffy army/list and it is still tournament calibre? Count me as skeptical.

 pretre wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Almost like a 6.5, wouldn't you say?

All .5 Codices are better.

Tyranids say hi!

spam image

Umm, is it? Because there was no indication of a joke in that original post. I know you were just waiting to pop that image link, but...

I know you were just waiting to say something about that image link, but...I saw a bunch of sarcasm in H.B.M.C.'s post there, insinuating that the Nidother .5 'dexes weren't spectacular.

Sorry if I'm reading things too sarcastically, or if you're not reading them sarcastically enough.

I'm pretty sure H.B.M.C. meant Chaos 3.5 and IG 3.5

You're right. I was looking at "Tyranids say hi" and just put in "nid".

I've edited my post to correct the error.

 tomjoad wrote:

If you demand good game design, I'd suggest that Games Workshop is not the company for you.

It's not anymore.