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 Kanluwen wrote:
Basilisk and Hydra are both Heavy Support.

Which he's already pointed out?

 alarmingrick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Basilisk and Hydra are both Heavy Support.

Which he's already pointed out?

Also one of the earliest rumours was that the Griffon would be getting a kit this time round. Basilisk kit has been all-plastic forever, I think the 2nd ed Griffon kit had a metal mortar (correct me if I'm wrong someone) which has never been updated.

Lastly, and I don't know if this counts for anything, but Griffon and Hydra are the two lowest-point-value heavy support entries. So would they rather you bought two Basilisks, or three Griffons?

All still conjecture, but that's why my bet's on a Hydra/Griffon dual kit.

 Captain Roderick wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Basilisk and Hydra are both Heavy Support.

Which he's already pointed out?

Also one of the earliest rumours was that the Griffon would be getting a kit this time round. Basilisk kit has been all-plastic forever, I think the 2nd ed Griffon kit had a metal mortar (correct me if I'm wrong someone) which has never been updated.

Lastly, and I don't know if this counts for anything, but Griffon and Hydra are the two lowest-point-value heavy support entries. So would they rather you bought two Basilisks, or three Griffons?

All still conjecture, but that's why my bet's on a Hydra/Griffon dual kit.

Griffons are cheap both are the same point cost two cost the same as a stock Russ. While the basilisk is 125.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Emperor worshiping beastment were available in the first IG codex as abhumans,

I can't remember when they were re-written out of the IG background though

2nd ed, they were in the 'black codex' that came with the 2nd ed boxed set (IIRC anyway) but weren't included in the 2nd ed IG codex. Fluffwise they served in the Imperial army before and during the Heresy but they were a bit too unstable and a bit too ready to turn to chaos so they lost their abhuman status when the Imperial army was splt to form the IG and IN. These days beastmen are classed as mutants and are treated as such i.e. badly. GW has shown itself extremely willing to retcon though so this could easily change (again).

That feeling when "Yaaaay! Plastic Stormtroopers! SEK 250 ~£25.. squad of 10 ~£50. Outch! Oh well.. waaait a minute! *Forge World Search* -DKK Grenadiers (10) @ £38."

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

That feeling when "Yaaaay! Plastic Stormtroopers! SEK 250 ~£25.. squad of 10 ~£50. Outch! Oh well.. waaait a minute! *Forge World Search* -DKK Grenadiers (10) @ £38."

Well given the fact that it at the very least you get a ton of Command Squad Bitz in there as well and special weapons I don't care, they look gorgeous and will probably have great conversion opportunities.

Also, you only effectively get 8 models in that DKOK Grenadier kit, because the flamer and grenade launcher are garbage, and you still need to invest in the decent special weapons models.

Don't get me wrong, DKOK are cool, but Berets are cooler.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

That feeling when "Yaaaay! Plastic Stormtroopers! SEK 250 ~£25.. squad of 10 ~£50. Outch! Oh well.. waaait a minute! *Forge World Search* -DKK Grenadiers (10) @ £38."

Well given the fact that it at the very least you get a ton of Command Squad Bitz in there as well and special weapons I don't care, they look gorgeous and will probably have great conversion opportunities.

Also, you only effectively get 8 models in that DKOK Grenadier kit, because the flamer and grenade launcher are garbage, and you still need to invest in the decent special weapons models.

Don't get me wrong, DKOK are cool, but Berets are cooler.

I have a trove of extra guard bits like legs and torsos, so with that one box i can probably make 10-15 guys and each will have a nice hard core look to go with it

I agree, why are the Scions and the Taurox missing? Why were those images pulled.

 azreal13 wrote:


Rehosted for your viewing pleasure.

Tempestus is listed as online only, so supplement rather than out and out book by the looks.

I'm thinking ditch the track sections and put wheels under the fenders, two front two back, making an eight wheeler?

 BunkerBob wrote:
I agree, why are the Scions and the Taurox missing? Why were those images pulled.

I'll give you one guess...

 alarmingrick wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Basilisk and Hydra are both Heavy Support.

Which he's already pointed out?

So, chiming in on recent discussions:
I'm bidding for the Hydra to double with a Griffon. You know why? because they're both heavy support. You never get a rhino/whirlwind dual kit, and I therefore think the hydra won't double as a salamander - similar as they might seem.
Also, that crewman looking at a map out of the back of the hydra? dead giveaway for a griffon. If you're using a map to shoot down aircraft, you're doing it wrong.

I'm really not sure why he brought up the "Rhino/Whirlwind" dual kit thing.

Hydras and Basilisks are both Heavy Support. Even when the rules for the Hydra were FW only, the Hydra has been a HS. Everything that he posted for his "bidding for the Hydra to double with a Griffon" is just as reasonable for a Basilisk--more reasonable, since there is already a Basilisk kit and it's "Direct Only".

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:


Rehosted for your viewing pleasure.

Tempestus is listed as online only, so supplement rather than out and out book by the looks.

I'm thinking ditch the track sections and put wheels under the fenders, two front two back, making an eight wheeler?

I was thinking more along the lines of an m80 under the front and an m80 under the back. Lite it and you have your new airborn Ogryn delivery system. Won't hurt the looks either.

agamemnon2014 wrote:
I have no idea who GW hired to sculpt the IG kits but the Taurox and Ogryns are beyond disappointing. They're amateurish and aren't fit for a kid's toy (says the 40 year-old man who collects minis). I think the design staff need to walk over to FW and see what real models can look like.

GW hires for the right attitude, not for skills.
And if you look at FW, you see some of the best dragon sculptors ... working on Space Marine shoulder pads.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:
I agree, why are the Scions and the Taurox missing? Why were those images pulled.

I'll give you one guess...

I am quite profound at missing the obvious but my alcohol infused think tank will give an appreciative stab at it with, much butthurts and threats.

I think the truck would look better if it was just one long continuous section of tracks. It'd kinda look like a smaller version of the Leviathan.

 tjnorwoo wrote:
I don't understand IG beastmen... Is there fluff to support it?

Back in the Rogue Trader era of the game, there was much more variety of abhumans, instead of just the Ogryns and Ratlings we have today. Their was a table for generating your own mutants and abhumans and then there were Ogryn, Ratlings, Beastmen, and Squats.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:

That feeling when "Yaaaay! Plastic Stormtroopers! SEK 250 ~£25.. squad of 10 ~£50. Outch! Oh well.. waaait a minute! *Forge World Search* -DKK Grenadiers (10) @ £38."

I'm sure the integration of FW into the GW web store will take care of any of these "pricing anomalies", in favor of GW of course...

T

I actually like the Ogryns.

I'm getting tempted to do an 'Arbites go to block-war' mini-army

 Kanluwen wrote:
Everything that he posted for his "bidding for the Hydra to double with a Griffon" is just as reasonable for a Basilisk--more reasonable, since there is already a Basilisk kit and it's "Direct Only".

And that's the problem with a Basilisk dual kit: there's already a Basilisk kit. Why make a dual kit with the Basilisk when you can quickly throw together some Griffon parts and have people buy the Hydra/Griffon AND the Basilisk? The only argument in support of a Basilisk dual kit is wishful thinking about having to buy fewer kits to get all of the artillery you need.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Everything that he posted for his "bidding for the Hydra to double with a Griffon" is just as reasonable for a Basilisk--more reasonable, since there is already a Basilisk kit and it's "Direct Only".

And that's the problem with a Basilisk dual kit: there's already a Basilisk kit. Why make a dual kit with the Basilisk when you can quickly throw together some Griffon parts and have people buy the Hydra/Griffon AND the Basilisk? The only argument in support of a Basilisk dual kit is wishful thinking about having to buy fewer kits to get all of the artillery you need.

Well that and, again, the fact that the Basilisk is a direct order item.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
That feeling when "Yaaaay! Plastic Stormtroopers! SEK 250 ~£25.. squad of 10 ~£50. Outch! Oh well.. waaait a minute! *Forge World Search* -DKK Grenadiers (10) @ £38."

Well, it's not quite a fair comparison. The new plastic kit is probably going to come with tons of alternate parts, while the FW DKoK kits don't come with any spare parts beyond what you need to make the exact models shown in the website pictures. If you want to do any interesting conversions with the DKoK models, including giving them useful special weapons (IOW, melta/plasma) you have to buy a bunch of other stuff to get the required parts. And they're not really designed to make conversions easy, they don't fit with any non-DKoK parts and even doing more than swapping arms with other DKoK models is difficult to impossible. I think both of them will probably be appealing purchases: plastic storm troopers for people who want to create their own unique elite infantry (including converting them with other IG plastic kits), DKoK for people who want the standard DKoK look.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Well that and, again, the fact that the Basilisk is a direct order item.

What does being direct-only have to do with anything?

GW remade the Leman Russ when it was already all plastic with the different variants in it, so I don't think that's a reason for them to not do it. Not convinced they will remake it, just saying the "it's already plastic" argument isn't that much of an argument.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
GW remade the Leman Russ when it was already all plastic with the different variants in it, so I don't think that's a reason for them to not do it. Not convinced they will remake it, just saying the "it's already plastic" argument isn't that much of an argument.

I believe it actually became two kits, so it was actually more of a win for them since they doubled their money on that one

Why plastic Ogryns? WHY!? It is such a strange decision, locals here never use Ogryns [besides me] and with the release of the Apocalypse updated "Dawn of War" style metals, I thought it was all done for them.

They look very amateur, and unable to move around.. like the Skesis from Dark Crystal... or those boring Aliens from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

Still laughing over the price compared to Forgeworld.. LOL more than a DKOK army...

 generalchaos34 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
GW remade the Leman Russ when it was already all plastic with the different variants in it, so I don't think that's a reason for them to not do it. Not convinced they will remake it, just saying the "it's already plastic" argument isn't that much of an argument.

I believe it actually became two kits, so it was actually more of a win for them since they doubled their money on that one

The Demolisher was always a separate kit. Previously the all-plastic kit was simply a Battle Tank (the one with a battle cannon), they then updated it with 4 different variants in one box and also released the Demolisher which is 3 more variants.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
And that's the problem with a Basilisk dual kit: there's already a Basilisk kit. Why make a dual kit with the Basilisk when you can quickly throw together some Griffon parts and have people buy the Hydra/Griffon AND the Basilisk? The only argument in support of a Basilisk dual kit is wishful thinking about having to buy fewer kits to get all of the artillery you need.

Well that and, again, the fact that the Basilisk is a direct order item.

That and the Basilisk kit isn't a complete kit. Thanks to the recut of the Chimera sprue when the last Codex came out the Basilisk is incomplete, as it's missing default parts (like the hull HB). Making a new one that includes that right parts, and wrapping it up into the Hydra kit, fixes that issue.

RedSarge wrote:
Why plastic Ogryns? WHY!? It is such a strange decision, locals here never use Ogryns [besides me] and with the release of the Apocalypse updated "Dawn of War" style metals, I thought it was all done for them.

Given GW's recent push to replace 'Fine'cast with plastic, it really isn't that surprising...

And it's better than them being dropped completely...

 insaniak wrote:

RedSarge wrote:
Why plastic Ogryns? WHY!? It is such a strange decision, locals here never use Ogryns [besides me] and with the release of the Apocalypse updated "Dawn of War" style metals, I thought it was all done for them.

Given GW's recent push to replace 'Fine'cast with plastic, it really isn't that surprising...

So I take it that the once metal Ogryns are finecast now? Might have to pick some up soon, far easier to convert.

As for optional models, how about some Deadzone Marauders [Blood Axes?] or Brother Vinni's not XCOM Mutons?

RedSarge wrote:
Might have to pick some up soon, far easier to convert.

Than plastic...?

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think the truck would look better if it was just one long continuous section of tracks. It'd kinda look like a smaller version of the Leviathan.

 tjnorwoo wrote:
I don't understand IG beastmen... Is there fluff to support it?

Back in the Rogue Trader era of the game, there was much more variety of abhumans, instead of just the Ogryns and Ratlings we have today. Their was a table for generating your own mutants and abhumans and then there were Ogryn, Ratlings, Beastmen, and Squats.

Thanks!

I really don't understand what people think is so wrong about squats. Some people say they are happy the 40k universe got more serious and corrected the goofy fluff of earlier times, but I for one want to see a goofy future. I say bring back the squats, bring back the genestealer cults, bring back the beastmen IG! Thats one thing I love about fantasy, that they don't try to make everything so serious. Thats why I have several thousand points of Skaven.


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RedSarge wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

RedSarge wrote:
Why plastic Ogryns? WHY!? It is such a strange decision, locals here never use Ogryns [besides me] and with the release of the Apocalypse updated "Dawn of War" style metals, I thought it was all done for them.

Given GW's recent push to replace 'Fine'cast with plastic, it really isn't that surprising...

So I take it that the once metal Ogryns are finecast now? Might have to pick some up soon, far easier to convert.

As for optional models, how about some Deadzone Marauders [Blood Axes?] or Brother Vinni's not XCOM Mutons?

I'm pretty sure they are still metal. I sold off 5 metal ogryns a while back and now I wish I hadn't given they may actually get some decent rules... As you can see I also may be hopelessly optimistic.