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If the hydra is a duel kit then that will redeem it for me. I can then make fixed gun positions and swap the weapons over as needed.

Bring back the Imperial beastmen for the guard!!! I miss those abhuman guys!

 The Shadow wrote:
Not particularly interesting, tbh, though Guard never have interested me.

One of those Ogyrns looks like Bane from The Dark Knight Rises though, which is great because it's a good opportunity to quote the film during the game. In-game film quoting can be very funny.

Spoiler:

"So what happens if the blast marker scatters onto your Ogryns?"
"It would be very painful"
"But you're T5"
"For you"

"Right, I've got a Farseer, 2 units of 5 Avengers in Wave Serpents, 5 Warp Spiders with Exarch and two War Walkers with dual scatter lasers in my list. What about you?"
"It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan."

"Ok, let's see if Night Fighting is on."
*rolls die*
"Right, so Night Fighting is on for the first turn"
"Oh so you think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted the dark, I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man and then it was nothing to me but blinding!"

"Ok, you need a 5 to glance... Aw, damn, that's the last hull point, you've wrecked my Rhino"
"I wondered what would break first, your Rhino... or your Land Raider."

*STANDING OVATION*

Beautiful work. Take a bow, son!

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back the Imperial beastmen for the guard!!! I miss those abhuman guys!

Considering it looks like they are movie the storm troopers out of the IG and into their own short-dex(like imperial knight, inquisition, etc) there will be more room in the IG... er AM codex.

Of course its possible the strom troopers will be in both AM and TM, but with a release right on top of one another I don'e think its very likely.

I have to admit, the new truck is growing on me. It doesn't look nearly as goofy as it did the first time I saw it. Maybe the shock and horror has work off.

 Lone Cat wrote:
I don't understand why feline gesture is considered 'disrespectful' here?

 gossipmeng wrote:
I find it amusing how ogryns have tank treads as their armour....

Leman Russ tracks should be separate pieces. groin plates can be anything thick and not fragile. actually Astartes tank tracks can do as well.

I appreciate your feline point of view- it's refreshing to see something other than the standard dakka post template. Variety is the spice of life after all.
I thought the tank treads looked pretty cool to me. Still gives a little mobility while offering protection. Might be a little rough on the jimmies though. The only gripe I have is the steel plate on the shirt... After being pointed out, it's just really jarring. Looks like it can be easily filed off though if anyone doesn't like it.

nooooooo, some of the pictures are gone!

 DJGietzen wrote:

 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
Bring back the Imperial beastmen for the guard!!! I miss those abhuman guys!

Considering it looks like they are movie the storm troopers out of the IG and into their own short-dex(like imperial knight, inquisition, etc) there will be more room in the IG... er AM codex.

Of course its possible the strom troopers will be in both AM and TM, but with a release right on top of one another I don'e think its very likely.

I don't think GW is stupid enough to make a plastic kit that has been VERY high in demand for IG and then not include it in the codex. They wouldn't want to risk people not buying the models, even as a plot to push an extra $50 book.

We'll probably get a generic Stormtrooper entry in the regular codex, and the supplement will give us 2 pages of rules letting us take them as a detachment as troops and an HQ with useless warlord abilities. The rest will be things saying "you can take X transports, see Codex IG for details." That, and if the Stormtroopers are still packing Ap 3 guns they will be horribly overpriced.

What I'm curious about will be if the background in the storm trooper book will be any good. I'm borrowing a copy of the night dex and really liked the background in it, even if there wasn't a lot of it.

Okay, here is how I am understanding things.

Codex Astra Militarum is the new IMPERIAL GUARD CODEX

Then a mail order only Codex Militarum Tempestus, WHICH IS SEPERATE FROM imperial guard, is a 72 page hardback, for the Militarum Tempestus (which are not actually guard, but more like auxuilary forces)... I believe the taurox, Scions, and maybe Ogryns are in this codex....

Scions have not been called STORMTROOPERS or associated with Imperial Guard in anyway. They are Militarum Tempestus Scions. (I believe these models will be called stormtroopers in the guard codex, and the Scions are something different.)

Big Transport (Taurox for IG, Taurox Prime for Scions) ... this kit does give dual name for tempestus & guard.... unlike scions box...

Ogryn/Bullgryn box, is unseen box so far, and on the box might be either "astra" or "tempestus" or both, and in one or both codexes, depending on how they are taken...

Thoughts?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Okay, here is how I am understanding things.

Codex Astra Militarum is the new IMPERIAL GUARD CODEX

Then a mail order only Codex Militarum Tempestus, WHICH IS SEPERATE FROM imperial guard, is a 72 page hardback, for the Militarum Tempestus (which are not actually guard, but more like auxuilary forces)... I believe the taurox, Scions, and maybe Ogryns are in this codex....

Scions have not been called STORMTROOPERS or associated with Imperial Guard in anyway. They are Militarum Tempestus Scions. (I believe these models will be called stormtroopers in the guard codex, and the Scions are something different.)

Big Transport (Taurox for IG, Taurox Prime for Scions) ... this kit does give dual name for tempestus & guard.... unlike scions box...

Ogryn/Bullgryn box, is unseen box so far, and on the box might be either "astra" or "tempestus" or both, and in one or both codexes, depending on how they are taken...

Thoughts?

That we still don't know a whole hell of a lot.........

I'm still very green when it comes to Warhammer 40k. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But Games Workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises months in advance of up coming new products but not Games Workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors .

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

They're the "premium" product on the market. You shouldn't need to see previews months in advance to want to buy their product, because you should know it will be the best anyways

On a serious note, take a look at what happens when some companies put out previews and stuff months in advance of it releasing. If you preview too early, most excitement will die down before the models are released, meaning you might loose potential impulse buys. Previewing rules might also turn off others if it turns out that they're not top tier cheese, which could also lower sales.

And as a bit of proof of concept, how many of you saw a pic of Victoria Lamb's full Female Arcadian squad before it was set for preorder? We got a couple of teaser images, but that was about it. By not showing them until right before preorders hit, she maximized the amount of impulse buys. Only thing that saved me was my tax return isn't in yet.

So there is some logic behind what GW does. I don't like it, but I can understand why they do so. I do wish they would preview a pic of like an Ogryn or a single trooper a few months in advance to build anticipation and excitement, but I can live.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

They're the "premium" product on the market. You shouldn't need to see previews months in advance to want to buy their product, because you should know it will be the best anyways

On a serious note, take a look at what happens when some companies put out previews and stuff months in advance of it releasing. If you preview too early, most excitement will die down before the models are released, meaning you might loose potential impulse buys. Previewing rules might also turn off others if it turns out that they're not top tier cheese, which could also lower sales.

And as a bit of proof of concept, how many of you saw a pic of Victoria Lamb's full Female Arcadian squad before it was set for preorder? We got a couple of teaser images, but that was about it. By not showing them until right before preorders hit, she maximized the amount of impulse buys. Only thing that saved me was my tax return isn't in yet.

So there is some logic behind what GW does. I don't like it, but I can understand why they do so. I do wish they would preview a pic of like an Ogryn or a single trooper a few months in advance to build anticipation and excitement, but I can live.

Not to mention you don't hit the market with 3 other companies having released models that are a "not" version of what you're about to release.
At GW's prices, they really can't afford too much competition!

 alarmingrick wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

They're the "premium" product on the market. You shouldn't need to see previews months in advance to want to buy their product, because you should know it will be the best anyways

On a serious note, take a look at what happens when some companies put out previews and stuff months in advance of it releasing. If you preview too early, most excitement will die down before the models are released, meaning you might loose potential impulse buys. Previewing rules might also turn off others if it turns out that they're not top tier cheese, which could also lower sales.

And as a bit of proof of concept, how many of you saw a pic of Victoria Lamb's full Female Arcadian squad before it was set for preorder? We got a couple of teaser images, but that was about it. By not showing them until right before preorders hit, she maximized the amount of impulse buys. Only thing that saved me was my tax return isn't in yet.

So there is some logic behind what GW does. I don't like it, but I can understand why they do so. I do wish they would preview a pic of like an Ogryn or a single trooper a few months in advance to build anticipation and excitement, but I can live.

Not to mention you don't hit the market with 3 other companies having released models that are a "not" version of what you're about to release.
At GW's prices, they really can't afford too much competition!

Oh yeah definitely. Vic couldn't have timed that release better if she tried.

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

GW have stated publicly that they do it because they think that people finding out about stuff at the last minute makes them more excited about the release and so more inclined to rush out and buy it.

Yay! plastic hydra! (about time...)

I wonder if it will be an alternate kit for the manticore? It has the same crew hatch at the front the current Manticore/Deathstrike arty has.


THe Ogryns are neat and all but unless they are cheaper and have a few things that make them worth while Im not going to take them.... I might make some modded guardsmen to be "ogrin" but perhaps only for the sake of building some and the option to fool around.


As for the rumored "Big Tank" and transport. I dunno.

If they are "based on the Malcador" which itself is a terrible tank then there is no real reason. The only possible way a malcador-like tank could work is if it has heavy firepower and armor like a Russ on steroids. AS a normal LRBT can beat a Malcador head to head while being cheaper, having more firepower, and armor.

The transport on the other hand... eh.. ill have to see it to consider it, im armor heavy but then again shuttling around my few troopers would be nice. I heard something about a Dog Fighter model. has anyone see hide or hair of that? guys at my store think it might be the Thunderbolt but Im iffy. Something tells me we might end up with a tiny little air plane with AA guns, as opposed to the brute fighter bomber from FW, if we get anything of the sorts at all.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
On a serious note, take a look at what happens when some companies put out previews and stuff months in advance of it releasing. If you preview too early, most excitement will die down before the models are released, meaning you might loose potential impulse buys.

That really comes down to how you handle the preview.

Look at how movie studios handle it - they start offering teasers months out, and gradually show more and more as the release gets closer. That (assuming that the product is good) gradually builds excitement so that by the time the release actually happens, people want what it is you're selling.

The GW approach means that stuff just appears out of the blue, and people are left for years not knowing if or when anything new is going to come out for their chosen army. I've come across quite a few people over the years who wound up dropping the game entirely due to the lack of attention their army was getting with no word from GW that this was ever likely to change.

Hell, we had people on this very forum, when Dark Eldar finally got their 5th edition codex, mentioning that they had dumped all of their stuff a short time before the release. A few choice teasers offered up in the months before the release date, and those people might still be customers.

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

Yea I know the flag is not a real representation of where you live but this post hurt my brain.
This is the way GW does business So second and third party Companies don't have the opportunity to get models out before GW.
It is Warhammer or Warhammer 40K it still might put a misspell line under it but it is correct and Months is what you were looking for in this part

 insaniak wrote:
Hell, we had people on this very forum, when Dark Eldar finally got their 5th edition codex, mentioning that they had dumped all of their stuff a short time before the release. A few choice teasers offered up in the months before the release date, and those people might still be customers.

It's kinda sad that they actually showed Dark Eldar off farther in advance than all their releases now, and it still felt like it should have been revealed earlier (like a few years earlier, 10+ years for an update is fething stupid). I'm pretty sure back then if anyone said "Just wait, GW won't start previewing stuff a week before release next!" everyone would have called them a troll or a hater.

Bane joke.

Previewing models isn't s terrible idea. I remember when pics first started leaking of the Storm Raven. Lots of people hated the 'chibi hawk'. As time went on it started to grow on people and once people got used to the look, people went from 'It looks like crap!' to 'Its not that bad I guess' and those people probably bought at least 1.

I did the opposite, lol. I was like "Eh, it's alright" at first and then grew to hate it later.

 sonofruss wrote:
This is the way GW does business So second and third party Companies don't have the opportunity to get models out before GW.

But this shouldn't even be an issue. If third-party companies are just starting work on a new model when GW previews it there's no way they're going to beat GW to market with a high-quality kit. Third-party competition is only a factor when GW releases powerful rules with an ugly model (or no model at all), or when GW charges so much for a model that a third-party company can undercut them and still make a good profit. And those are both poor business decisions by GW. Fix their incompetent management and previewing models weeks/months in advance should never be a problem.

Yea now that is the way but back when they showed pics of things they didn't have in the Que for being made a kit aftermarket companies made alternative parts to build them and you have the bug codex with all the pods doom and such removed.

 sonofruss wrote:
This is the way GW does business So second and third party Companies don't have the opportunity to get models out before GW.

That's a myth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 sonofruss wrote:
This is the way GW does business So second and third party Companies don't have the opportunity to get models out before GW.

That's a myth.

I 'unno Commissar. It could be a legend

herp derp derp.

In any case, we're at the 14th of march, halfway through the month, alittle time will tell if all the waiting is worth it....or if it'll be a bunch of dud releases

What kills me about GW's marketing strategy, is that they seem to really want to push online sales and pre-orders, yet they only let the public know the product even exists just days before release. With the change to weekly releases the window only seems to be getting tighter and tighter.



They even run into production shortages from underestimating demand and thus lose sales due to lack of product. Having something available for pre-order on their online store for a month or two before release would let them gauge demand and encourage people to buy direct (which they are not doing right now). GW has one of the most bizarre business strategies I've ever seen, and they seem to almost be at war with themselves half the time.

 insaniak wrote:

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

GW have stated publicly that they do it because they think that people finding out about stuff at the last minute makes them more excited about the release and so more inclined to rush out and buy it.

Ofc everybody knows that previews kill the market! In Spain today Paramount is going to preview the first 10 minutes of the new Captain America movie on TV ahead of the opening, somebody tell them that they are doing it wrong! (Happens in Japan with kid's movies too, the opening minutes of a new movie just before an older one in TV happens from time to time)

Thanks for reminding me how illogical GW is sometimes.
M.

I'm not saying GW are right in their marketing, but you can't really compare it to movies. Movie trailers attempt to hype up a movie and they can take bits and pieces of even a bad movie to make it look better than it is to get people in to watch it anyway.

When it comes to miniatures, you show the miniatures and people either like them or don't and will buy them or not. Unlike movies, I don't think you can overhype miniatures... they are what they are and once you've shown them you've shown them.

Now, I don't agree with GW's marketing in general, but I think they're probably right in thinking people buy miniatures on impulse more than they buy them on hype where as movies are mostly hype driven.

GW makes the best miniatures in the world so according to the gospel of Kirby not liking an upcoming release wouldn't be possible. but if they are not so confident after all why not give us fluff or concept art teasers instead to generate expectations or God forbid even rules teasers?

Nah that's for amateurs, GW knows how it's done (and last shareholder report appears to agree... not)

M.

They could do artwork and fluff things to build hype. I guess I'm not the sort of person who really cares about that stuff and just want to see the miniatures, lol.

Like I said, I don't agree with GW's marketing scheme (if it can even be called "marketing"), I just don't feel comparisons to movies or games are all that accurate.

I'm sure part of the reason is also that they don't want sales of existing models to die 6 months before the release of a new codex. Though only GW themselves know those numbers. I'm sure it varies from army to army.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Zengu wrote:
I'm still very green when it comes to war hammer. I've been playing war hammer for about 4 mouths and before that I've played every flgs game under the sun. But games workshop is still baffling to me... Every other business I can think of advertises mouths in advance of up coming new products but not games workshop they keep everything under wraps like its a national secret and hates when leaks get out. Have they ever said why they do it this way? I just think its silly a week before the first things come out for guard and there's still nothing but rumors . off.

They're the "premium" product on the market. You shouldn't need to see previews months in advance to want to buy their product, because you should know it will be the best anyways

On a serious note, take a look at what happens when some companies put out previews and stuff months in advance of it releasing. If you preview too early, most excitement will die down before the models are released, meaning you might loose potential impulse buys. Previewing rules might also turn off others if it turns out that they're not top tier cheese, which could also lower sales.

And as a bit of proof of concept, how many of you saw a pic of Victoria Lamb's full Female Arcadian squad before it was set for preorder? We got a couple of teaser images, but that was about it. By not showing them until right before preorders hit, she maximized the amount of impulse buys. Only thing that saved me was my tax return isn't in yet.

So there is some logic behind what GW does. I don't like it, but I can understand why they do so. I do wish they would preview a pic of like an Ogryn or a single trooper a few months in advance to build anticipation and excitement, but I can live.

And yet we saw pics of FW's Myrmidons and Castellax nearly a year in advance of their release dates, and it's fair to say they're doing fairly well. The same's true of most FW products these days - between the Open Day and the HH Weekender we have a pretty good idea of what we'll be getting from Forgeworld months in advance, and going by GW's financials they seem to be growing while the rest of the company stagnates.

"Impulse" purchasing only works with products which are priced so that an individual purchase seems insignificant to the customer, that's why the sweeties and chewing gum are on the counter next to the tills in shops, why the console accessories are right in front of the door into a videogame store next to the monthly deals, why hardware stores have batteries and lightbulbs etc right next to where you queue up to pay. GW might be able to claim they were restricting info to drive impulse buys if they accompanied major releases with a proper marketing blitz, or if they priced their products to be bargains in comparison to other companies, but since neither is the case that explanation falls apart.