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 Happygrunt wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
Dedicated transport with Battlecannon or Gattling (Punisher?) cannon doesnt sound too shabby. If the prime is a dedicated transport.

Kind of what I am thinking. Command squads with a battlecannon transport would be nice and would definitely have something to compete with the chimera in terms of the better dedicated transport.

The Prime does seem to bring to the table something that a Chimera doesnt (heavier firepower), The standard Taurox if as listed just brings a different type of medium firepower, and without mention of additional guns or fire points seems like a poor mans chimera without much (if any) saving.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I hate the stupid Inquisition for causing the stupid freaking "Hot-Shot Lasguns" nonsense.

They were Hotshot Lasguns before they were Hellguns.


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Relapse wrote:
The LOTD comments made me break out my old "Eye of Terror" suppliment from long ago. I liked the way the folded four supplimental groups for Chaos(LOTD),

You're confusing Legion of the Damned (LotD) and the Lost and the Damned (LatD).

LatD was a damn fine list. Easy to use, but not uber competitive. I loved it.

I expect a battlecannon toting vehicle with 11 front AV to last all of one turn, honestly.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I hate the stupid Inquisition for causing the stupid freaking "Hot-Shot Lasguns" nonsense.

They were Hotshot Lasguns before they were Hellguns.

Right, but Hellguns were the names given to them for C: Daemonhunters, C: Imperial Guard, and most if not all of the BL books published around that time.

Then Witch Hunters introduced the stupid "Hellrifle", a stupid musket. After that? We started seeing the "Hot-shot Lasgun"(one of the most annoying "holdover" terms from earlier editions of 40k for weapons) make a return.

That is, of course, even more annoying since the Hellrifle is an item that could effectively be forgotten and Hellguns return as a term rather than this "Overcharged Lasgun"/"Hotshot Lasgun" nonsense.

Actually, from what I've heard they started using the old name again for something akin to nostalgia sake, not to piss you off.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I hate the stupid Inquisition for causing the stupid freaking "Hot-Shot Lasguns" nonsense.

Oh well. I'll just use white out on it and replace it with "Hellguns" in my book.


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 Mr.Omega wrote:


Once again, you are talking out of your posterior. Everything listed there happened months ago. For months, probably even half a year, the old storm troopers and pretty much everything there have been in the troops section.

Stop parading this as meaning anything. I tried to find evidence of just how late to the party this is but it seems nobody gave a row of buttons when it happened.

The Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Tallarn, and Mordians were all in "Warhammer 40,000 Collectors". And in fact you can still get to the now hidden section that they used to be in.

You can also still find the "hidden" link for Stormtroopers where they were, in fact, not Troops.

Yeah, sure, whatever you want to believe. I'm telling you, as I'm sure at least some other people will also testify, that you are at the very least 4 months late on when the 2nd Ed IG and all that jazz got moved out of Collectors, or also got put in Troops.

Also, no Hellrifle in the Witch Hunters codex as far as I can tell.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
LatD was a damn fine list. Easy to use, but not uber competitive. I loved it.

I expect a battlecannon toting vehicle with 11 front AV to last all of one turn, honestly.

Are you kidding? LATD was one of the more overpowered cheese lists back in 3rd and 4th edition. I was very happy when it went away.

General Hobbs wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
LatD was a damn fine list. Easy to use, but not uber competitive. I loved it.

I expect a battlecannon toting vehicle with 11 front AV to last all of one turn, honestly.

Are you kidding? LATD was one of the more overpowered cheese lists back in 3rd and 4th edition. I was very happy when it went away.

Getting off topic here, but everything that was broken about LatD had to do with the CSM codex at the time. And honestly, anything you could do with LatD, you could probably do better with regular CSMs anyway...elite Daemonette daemonbombs vs. troop Daemonette daemonbombs, etc.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


I expect a battlecannon toting vehicle with 11 front AV to last all of one turn, honestly.

Pretty much.

If it's really an AV11, 12-model sized transport that can fit a large gun on top, I'll be pretty disappointed, honestly.

Considering the size of the unit, I would have preferred it to be a large, durable troop transport. Something like an AV13 front, 12 sides 3-4hp monster with a 20-model capacity.

A glass cannon transport really doesn't fill any niche in the Guard build.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:


I expect a battlecannon toting vehicle with 11 front AV to last all of one turn, honestly.

Pretty much.

If it's really an AV11, 12-model sized transport that can fit a large gun on top, I'll be pretty disappointed, honestly.

Considering the size of the unit, I would have preferred it to be a large, durable troop transport. Something like an AV13 front, 12 sides 3-4hp monster with a 20-model capacity.

A glass cannon transport really doesn't fill any niche in the Guard build.

It is different though, so fair play to them for trying something new.

I wonder if perhaps the stormtrooper codex will have more of an alpha-strike feel that the cheap glass cannon transport makes some sense in.

Doubt it. It's probably much as everyone says, a flat way to flog the new kits and a book to non-IG players, a la codex knights

At least though a Taurox with a battlecannon is still better than a Looted Wagon with a boomgun. Thx 4th ed codex.

So, it's what? 45/50 points for the Taurox?

 BrookM wrote:
So, it's what? 45/50 points for the Taurox?

From what I gathered:

45/50 for the AC armed, 11 10 10 re-roll failed terrains Taurox which can be taken by standard Stormies who can also take a Chimera.

Its about 75/80 starting price for the Taurox Prime (also 11, 10 10 and re-rolling failed terrains) which can have either an ML, Battlecannon or "Gatling Cannon", which is presumably twinlinked. Its also a dedicated transport for the Command Squad.

Both have 10 man storage capacity.

The only new dirt on actual Stormies is that they get access to a new "overcharged lasgun".

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
So, it's what? 45/50 points for the Taurox?

From what I gathered:

45/50 for the AC armed, 11 10 10 re-roll failed terrains Taurox which can be taken by standard Stormies who can also take a Chimera.

Its about 75/80 starting price for the Taurox Prime (also 11, 10 10 and re-rolling failed terrains) which can have either an ML, Battlecannon or "Gatling Cannon", which is presumably twinlinked. Its also a dedicated transport for the Command Squad.

Both have 10 man storage capacity.

The only new dirt on actual Stormies is that they get access to a new "overcharged lasgun".

How can a BC fit on that thing 0_o?

Its like a battletech hetzer!

I keep thinking of how cool it would be to make the Taurox wider with a bit of plasticard.

I'm thinking about the same size as a Scorpion Tank from Halo. I think that would look better too. I wonder if it would be easy to reposition the treads to be a bit further apart...?

 BrookM wrote:
Actually, from what I've heard they started using the old name again for something akin to nostalgia sake, not to piss you off.

That's not the actual reason, but I can't go into the real reasons...

Huh ! Even at 45 points, I don't see the point in taking such a fragile vehicle over a Chimera. Which is not even so desirable anymore, in the first place, in an edition so adverse to light vehicles.
Oh Chimera could be nerfed to make the Taurox comparatively more attractive, but I don't think it would be enough.
Front AV 11 , sides AV 10 is so easily wiped off the table, except for some skimmers that are redeemed by low price and jink saves.


Just

Seems like a modern take on the Chimero/Chimadon/Chimerax, without making them Chimera variants.

General Hobbs wrote:
Are you kidding? LATD was one of the more overpowered cheese lists back in 3rd and 4th edition. I was very happy when it went away.

So you're ok with people with LatD lists losing their armies?

Ok then...

Save your money, buy a Dreamforge APC and the sweet Loki upgrade instead.

You'll pick up chicks way more easily.

Save money? Pay through the nose you mean with the rates those kits are going for around here..

Woaw ! The Eisenkern APC from Dreamforge looks so much better. Like a futurized WW2 Sonderkraftfahrzeug.
But it may be too big to be WISIWIG.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Woaw ! The Eisenkern APC from Dreamforge looks so much better. Like a futurized WW2 Sonderkraftfahrzeug.
But it may be too big to be WISIWIG.

Many nicer ones out there (dreamforge being one of those)...

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/hunchback-apc-now-available/

http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1146-khurasan-miniatures-28mm-aliens-apc-is-out/

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/warthog-adv-in-store-now/

Scions remind me of Colonial Marines + Gears of War

If those stats for the Taurox are true, it will be not only the ugliest vehicle in the IG lineup, it will be the most useless.

"Put your expensive troops in this transport so they get blown up first turn!"

"Wait, you can also mount an expensive gun to it so it's a large investment and still gets blown up first turn!"

Wakshaani wrote:
The old rule of thumb was this: Whatever rocked in the last codex gets nerfed, whatever sucked gets boosted.

I figure Vendettas will take it in the face, while Rough Riders will either A) be removed or B) get a big sexy improvement. Staying the same isn't a likely option.

Ogryns are certainly going to be made more alluring, however.

Most the units that sucked in the Tyranid codex previously still suck.

GW's method for balancing seems about as random as the tables they love to add to help you forge a narrative.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Looks like Codex: Storm Troopers got their own bad teaser trailer from GW. Not sure but think this could be the first time a supplement got one of the trailers? Here it is in all its... briefness:

Spoiler:

 BrookM wrote:
Save money? Pay through the nose you mean with the rates those kits are going for around here..

Dreamforge models is similarly priced to GW stuff in the UK from what I have seen.

Thank you krazynadechukr, for these alternative manufacturers I did not know about.
Well, I seen other alternatives of futuristic light transports, but these ones are nice.


The Taurox pictures raised more than disappointment : rejection, on various forums. I do not like it at all, among others.
I know it is a bit soon to say that, but the Taurox may reveal a bad move for GW.
I mean, why pay the GW's price for a Taurox, when nicer futuristic light transport are plentiful elsewhere ?
If there is a niche in using this light transport despite its unimpressive profile, it will open a breech for alternatives to be played in 40k.
In my opinion, there were many light transport of brands X/Y/Z, while not fitting alternatives for the Chimera, that just waited for a rule support from GW.
GW is just opening the doors for them !

I just hold a quiet hope that all the regiments will get some kind of a nod in the new codex outside of being mentioned in the fluff section.

Be it a special character (A-la Chenkov, Straken, etc) or a Regiment specific rule. Optional of course.

Do you play Catachan? Get X and Y additional rules at the expense of losing Z thing/rule.

Do you play Valhallan? Get X special order but may never issue Y general order.

Do you play Vostroyan? Infantry squads may purchase X squad upgrade not normally available if you choose.

etc. etc. etc.

I want the different regiments to play similar, but not exactly like each other. Did you choose to collect and paint up some Mordian Iron Guard? Then here's a neat way you can choose to use them if you like. I think tha'd be pretty awesome, personally.

I don't expect it, but as Professor Farnsworth says:



Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-