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2014/03/29 19:18:18
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Ratius wrote: Are Humans supposed to get in the above and feel safe? lol
It's the M113 APC. It came about thanks to the Vietnam War.
It's also what the Rhino basically is.
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Dryaktylus wrote: Remember there're Commissars in the army. If some cowards want to disembark (through the side doors) and try to flee into safety they get executed immediately.
Yeah, and the Commissars are as likely to break as a Scion within 18" of the Command Squad.
Rear door is totally wrong for an M113. It's a M114.
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1.We admitted we were powerless over the ugly appeal of the Taurox —that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves, Games Workshop, could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of fellow Dakkanites and our gaming club
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves and our GW40k collection.
5.Admitted to fellow Dakkanites, to ourselves, and to our gaming group the exact nature of our wrong of liking the Taurox
6.Were entirely ready to have our fellow Dakkanites slam us for liking the Taurox
7.Humbly asked them to remove our shortcomings and pro Taurox posts
8.Made a list of all persons in our gaming group we had harmed or insulted in bringing a Taurox to a game
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others (i.e. throwing the Taurox out a moving car window).
10.Continued to take personal inventory of our 40k army, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it and sold the Taurox on ebay for 20% what it cost
11.Sought through a roll of 2d6 & a chart how to improve our conscious contact with our gaming group, hoping the Taurox mistake can be forgiven.
12.Having had a gamers awakening as the result of these steps, and NEVER EVER GET ANOTHER TAUROX for my army
........ too much truth in this!
2014/03/29 19:26:06
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Bull0 wrote: It's useful to be able to get one team again, like you used to. If you're unhappy about the price increase get the 3-man box. Which you can still get, and the price hasn't changed. But you know
Funnily enough I was in Frankfurt and stopped by the local gw to grab some guard and a hwt along with some DE for the wife and if was only later when I had notice the one team set. But was looking at the america ssite and compared it to the german price and well... my math skills were never very good. Unforunatly couldnt squeeze anything out of the redshirt about anything that might have arrived early, I tried my best though Dakka, honestly.
Back on topic though. So we have the stormies, ogryn, taurox, and hydra that have been confirmed, think thats it for the guard updat as far as new stuff??
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2014/03/29 19:36:49
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
It is interesting to me how many times I see that if you are going to scratch build a model, it has to look like what it represents. Then they release a new vehicle and say: "You can choose to build the Taurox Prime gun turret with battle cannon or a twin-linked Taurox gatling cannon."
Only in the picture, that looks more like an autocannon.
I do like the infantry models, but they are pretty much stormtroopers.
And rather selfishly, I have to ask, GW, where is the Ork codex? It has been 7 years.
Gorgrimm wrote: WTHGW, that is yet another ugly model. (Taurox)
It is interesting to me how many times I see that if you are going to scratch build a model, it has to look like what it represents. Then they release a new vehicle and say: "You can choose to build the Taurox Prime gun turret with battle cannon or a twin-linked Taurox gatling cannon."
Only in the picture, that looks more like an autocannon.
I do like the infantry models, but they are pretty much stormtroopers.
And rather selfishly, I have to ask, GW, where is the Ork codex? It has been 7 years.
That's a normal Taurox.
This is a Taurox Prime
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What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2014/03/29 19:53:24
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
A price drop on Commisars (Whose stats didn't change, had to go eyeball that after all the up-thread chatter) makes me lament the non-existance of a plastic COmmisar box. Toss five plastics in there (Make one female, just to mess with people and drive the secondary market), give a nice assortement of gear, call it $20 (Or, well, more likely $35 in today's GW, le sigh) and watch 'em fly out of there.
Let's see. Five bolt pistols, five swords, maybe toss an axe, mace, even a spear in there for CCW giggles, a power axe and three power swords, a power fist, two boltguns, three plasma pistols, some assorted flair (cigarette on a stick, cigar, swagger stick, a bulldog, whatever), should be good to go. Make one of 'em a little fancy for use as a Commissar Lord to be nice.
Gotta move away from metal *eventually*, right?
2014/03/29 19:54:28
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Gorgrimm wrote: WTHGW, that is yet another ugly model. (Taurox)
It is interesting to me how many times I see that if you are going to scratch build a model, it has to look like what it represents. Then they release a new vehicle and say: "You can choose to build the Taurox Prime gun turret with battle cannon or a twin-linked Taurox gatling cannon."
Only in the picture, that looks more like an autocannon.
Because it's not a Leman Russ battle cannon, but rather a smaller calibre cannon.
Rulewise it's less powerful than the standard battle cannon. Not by a huge amount, mind you, but enough to justify there being two different items. Plus it's called the "Taurox Prime Battle Cannon".
I do like the infantry models, but they are pretty much stormtroopers.
Because they are Stormtroopers. Militarum Tempestus=rebranded Stormtroopers.
And rather selfishly, I have to ask, GW, where is the Ork codex? It has been 7 years.
And the Ork book, purportedly, is well into its development cycle...while the current one is still going strong, at least according to some players.
Gorgrimm wrote: WTHGW, that is yet another ugly model. (Taurox)
It is interesting to me how many times I see that if you are going to scratch build a model, it has to look like what it represents. Then they release a new vehicle and say: "You can choose to build the Taurox Prime gun turret with battle cannon or a twin-linked Taurox gatling cannon."
Only in the picture, that looks more like an autocannon.
I do like the infantry models, but they are pretty much stormtroopers.
And rather selfishly, I have to ask, GW, where is the Ork codex? It has been 7 years.
The Taurox and Taurox Prime have different weapon options. The Taurox can have turret autocannons, the Prime has the battlecannon/ gatling options.
Well, there goes my dual plasma pistol commander. Hope that doesn't go over to the Company command squad.
I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
I understand that. Joe the average sergeant should not be able to, but heroes like Commissars or company level commanders, who probably have much more of a choice on how they equip themselves, should be able to.
2014/03/29 20:51:13
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Well, there goes my dual plasma pistol commander. Hope that doesn't go over to the Company command squad.
I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
I understand that. Joe the average sergeant should not be able to, but heroes like Commissars or company level commanders, who probably have much more of a choice on how they equip themselves, should be able to.
It's less "Cinematic" when Joe the Sgt. does it......
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
2014/03/29 20:54:20
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Well, there goes my dual plasma pistol commander. Hope that doesn't go over to the Company command squad.
I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
I understand that. Joe the average sergeant should not be able to, but heroes like Commissars or company level commanders, who probably have much more of a choice on how they equip themselves, should be able to.
Actually, I don't think they do. I can't see commissars or stormtrooper leaders duel wielding as if they were in a John Woo flick - it goes against the IoM's combat training and style. I mean, something like Chaos, sure. But Commies are too regimented and strict.
The only IoM unit that I can think of who duel wields are the serephim, and their style of combat revolves around gun-slinging.
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~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2014/03/29 20:55:42
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Well, there goes my dual plasma pistol commander. Hope that doesn't go over to the Company command squad.
I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
I understand that. Joe the average sergeant should not be able to, but heroes like Commissars or company level commanders, who probably have much more of a choice on how they equip themselves, should be able to.
It's less "Cinematic" when Joe the Sgt. does it......
Which is why I think Joe the Sgt. should be left in the cold on this one. Maybe when he makes Major, but until then, "gunslinger" should be a heroes only thing and should be available to the IG.
2014/03/29 20:59:19
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
The main thing we get from this is that Commissars start out at 25, and Lord Commissars start at 65.
Well, there goes my dual plasma pistol commander. Hope that doesn't go over to the Company command squad.
I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
The screen shots from ibooks have been wrong before. Its also possible its a legitimate error and the option should and soon afrer release will read "close combat weapon and/or bolt pistol" and ad an 'each' to the points costs.
Of course, they are likely to make the options match the models they sell and these options match up pretty well so don't hold your breath.
2014/03/29 21:07:57
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: Well, now having seen more pics of them and the rules and points in full, I like them more! One thing to be said, they make an excellent kill-team for games. So i have pre-ordered the scions and a taurox. Should be fun, lots of AP3 weapons, and a FAST tank. Never underestimate a fast vehicle, 18 inch move and 5+ cover due to jink can be very handy. I think they could well be seen across AM armies all over the place. I mean the interior detail is fantastic and the four tracks idea actually makes more sense, as they'll be able to go over more difficult terrain than lots of wheels. Just need to come up with a cool paint scheme.
Which would be helpful if they got jink.
They don't. Neither do Ork trukks or buggies.
Only fast SKIMMERS get jink, unfortunately, vehicle-wise
I can still see them having a use though, as fast expendable rapid-deployment vehicles that you don't expect to live that long.
I don't play guard, but i'd be happy to pay those points for the thing for my orks.
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
2014/03/29 22:32:06
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
I can still see them having a use though, as fast expendable rapid-deployment vehicles that you don't expect to live that long.
I don't play guard, but i'd be happy to pay those points for the thing for my orks.
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Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: Well, now having seen more pics of them and the rules and points in full, I like them more! One thing to be said, they make an excellent kill-team for games. So i have pre-ordered the scions and a taurox. Should be fun, lots of AP3 weapons, and a FAST tank. Never underestimate a fast vehicle, 18 inch move and 5+ cover due to jink can be very handy. I think they could well be seen across AM armies all over the place. I mean the interior detail is fantastic and the four tracks idea actually makes more sense, as they'll be able to go over more difficult terrain than lots of wheels. Just need to come up with a cool paint scheme.
They can take smoke launchers though. Only lasts a turn, but should increase their resilience.
What I have
~4100
~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2014/03/29 22:45:41
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
1.We admitted we were powerless over the ugly appeal of the Taurox —that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves, Games Workshop, could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of fellow Dakkanites and our gaming club
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves and our GW40k collection.
5.Admitted to fellow Dakkanites, to ourselves, and to our gaming group the exact nature of our wrong of liking the Taurox
6.Were entirely ready to have our fellow Dakkanites slam us for liking the Taurox
7.Humbly asked them to remove our shortcomings and pro Taurox posts
8.Made a list of all persons in our gaming group we had harmed or insulted in bringing a Taurox to a game
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others (i.e. throwing the Taurox out a moving car window).
10.Continued to take personal inventory of our 40k army, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it and sold the Taurox on ebay for 20% what it cost
11.Sought through a roll of 2d6 & a chart how to improve our conscious contact with our gaming group, hoping the Taurox mistake can be forgiven.
12.Having had a gamers awakening as the result of these steps, and NEVER EVER GET ANOTHER TAUROX for my army
........ too much truth in this!
the first hate, errr, support group for taurox suffers is on release day.
Kanluwen wrote: Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
They already have access to it right now. This change makes legal models suddenly illegal, for no apparent reason.
Happygrunt wrote: I can't get over how dumb that is, gunslinger is a rule IN THE MAIN RULEBOOK. There is no reason they should not be able to swap for two guns.
Your problem is you're looking at it from the perspective of someone who wants to have fun, and that means you aren't playing the game the right way. GW doesn't sell any commissar models with dual pistols, so the option has to be removed. Buy your Citadel™ Fine™Cast™ Commissar™ with Power™ Sword™ and be happy that you are allowed to use such amazing Games™ Workshop™ Products™.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2014/03/29 22:50:33
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Kanluwen wrote: Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
They already have access to it right now. This change makes legal models suddenly illegal, for no apparent reason.
...And?
I had a bunch of Sergeants invalidated from the Doctrines book to the soon to be replaced Guard book, because they lost their Lasguns and only got pistols/CCWs.
It sucks, but you'll be fine.
2014/03/29 22:58:04
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
I'm just patiently waiting on the new codex to get here and see what comes with it. We already know we're getting the Hydra kit (Which I'll be honest, I'm rather happy with how it looks), and I expect the rumor mill from the recent past regarding more tank options will be coming down the pipe in the future. We'll see.
I'm hoping for a Griffon/something else combo kit and perhaps some updated unique stuff for the less common regiments such as Mordian, Valhallan, Steel Legion and Vostroyan.
For now I'll just keep on playing the waiting game.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
You don't know me son, so I'll explain this to you once: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed.
2014/03/29 23:02:10
Subject: Re:IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Kanluwen wrote: Just because it's a rule doesn't mean that everyone should have access to it, IMO.
They already have access to it right now. This change makes legal models suddenly illegal, for no apparent reason.
...And?
I had a bunch of Sergeants invalidated from the Doctrines book to the soon to be replaced Guard book, because they lost their Lasguns and only got pistols/CCWs.
It sucks, but you'll be fine.
Still doesn't make it acceptable or justifiable.
2014/03/29 23:05:38
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Kanluwen wrote: I had a bunch of Sergeants invalidated from the Doctrines book to the soon to be replaced Guard book, because they lost their Lasguns and only got pistols/CCWs.
It sucks, but you'll be fine.
When did "GW did other incredibly stupid things" become a valid excuse when we're talking about one particular incredibly stupid thing?
And of course I'll be fine, because I'm done playing this game competitively and I can always say "hey, can I still use my awesome dual plasma pistol models". And their rules are pretty bad, so it's not like there's any real reason to refuse. But the lack of impact on me personally doesn't mean that it's anything other than an incredibly stupid decision made by an incompetent idiot who needs to be fired ASAP.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2014/03/29 23:07:51
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
Yeah, I've got a Mordian Iron Guard army and I use the Lieutenant from the 2nd Edition Cadian range as my Colonel.
Mostly because I figured, if there's going to be one guy in an army that has worked out armour may be a good thing in the battlefields of the 41st Millennium, it's probably the dude in charge.
2014/03/29 23:21:06
Subject: IG or Astra Militarum Rumours for April Release (preorders up)
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~4100
~1660
