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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
... they were supplements in everything but name.

Just like the Knight and Stormy books are supplements in everything but name (and price).

Well, yes and no. You could theoretically use the Knight and Stormy books standalone (we aren't even really sure what's in the Stormy book yet, it does feel rather as though we're burying it before it's dead). I take the point, though.

And I doubt you can make a legal 1850 point army with just the LotD Codex and its basically one unit.
And even if you can, you will autolose after round 1 before you field anything of your army

I did say theoretically. It's pretty clear LoTD, IK, Inq, and others are intended to be taken as plug-ins for other armies. I don't really know why they're calling them Codexes rather than Supplements. I suspect they sell better. Do we need to get in to this whole thing again, it's pretty played out at this point

I think the word "codex" should be reserved for those lists that, as a minimum, have both HQ and Troops units, and preferably units in all categories.

I dont mind "codexes" with few units.
They create lots of flexibility in armybuilding and add a great narrative element to battles that were hard to do rulewise not even a year ago.
Had they done a separate "imperial flyers" codex instead of death from the skies, my SW would have been very happy.
Obviously GW is trying out some brave new ways of releasing new rules and new models. I say everybody has a great oppurtunity to boycott certain releasea to let gw know they are in the wrong direction.

I don't mind it, just overpriced, i don't like this "Codex lite" before the main IG drop though, i feel like it cheats the kids a little.


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I don't mind it, just overpriced, i don't like this "Codex lite" before the main IG drop though, i feel like it cheats the kids a little.

I'd be fine with the supplements if they were oh... $15-20. There's no reason so little content needs to have a hard cover just to boost the price.

 Kroothawk wrote:
And I doubt you can make a legal 1850 point army with just the LotD Codex and its basically one unit.
And even if you can, you will autolose after round 1 before you field anything of your army

Just demand they play your special LotD missions or they are a WAAC jerk! Or something.... f'n goobs.

Ugh, pages of off topic arguing?

Any on topic new or pertinent info about guard?

Anyone else noticed that Kasrkin have disappeared?

 Jadenim wrote:
Anyone else noticed that Kasrkin have disappeared?

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 Ravajaxe wrote:
And poof goes the V3 stormtroopers and V4 kasrkins (by Juan Diaz) on GW website.
Dear Kasrkins, you will be missed.

For my kasrkin, I regret now not having bought a special weapons blister to have a pair number of plasma & melta.
I used Kasrkin as veteran squad with carapace, I will have to switch them to scion equivalent.
But there is still ebay, so no big deal.

Ditto; annoyingly I have three of each special weapon for my Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, but the WD rules only allow two per squad.

What really kills me with this is that, yes GW, you've made a shiny new kit, which is very cool, but what the hell is wrong with having OPTIONS! It's boring as hell to have every army, particularly one as diverse as the Imperial Guard is supposed to be, with exactly the same damn models.

(Ground)breaking news, from Faeit 212, right now.

Earlier, when Hydra picture dropped, here we were discussing and guessing which of Basilisk or Griffon, or even Salamander would be the second option in the new heavy support kit.
Myself going for a modernization of the basilisk.
Now we have an answer, and guess who was right ?




Ha ha !




Well no one.
It will be a completely new artillery, not even seen in Epic 40k

The Wyvern.


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Wyvern is on the next cover of the White Dwarf #10
Wyvern Support Battery-Heavy Choice and can take 3 in total.
Comes with a Stormshard Mortar 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred
Armour Value is the same as a Chimera and it costs 10 points less than a Griffon

The model has a chimera hull and looks a lot like Hydra, but with two large short barrels instead of the Hydra's long Autocannons.

It is a dual kit: Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern

 Ravajaxe wrote:
(Ground)breaking news, from Faeit 212, right now.

Earlier, when Hydra picture dropped, here we were discussing and guessing which of Basilisk or Griffon, or even Salamander would be the second option in the new heavy support kit.
Myself going for a modernization of the basilisk.
Now we have an answer, and guess who was right ?




Ha ha !




Well no one.
It will be a completely new artillery, not even seen in Epic 40k

The Wyvern.


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Wyvern is on the next cover of the White Dwarf #10
Wyvern Support Battery-Heavy Choice and can take 3 in total.
Comes with a Stormshard Mortar 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred
Armour Value is the same as a Chimera and it costs 10 points less than a Griffon

The model has a chimera hull and looks a lot like Hydra, but with two large short barrels instead of the Hydra's long Autocannons.

It is a dual kit: Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern

So shred means it wounds on a 2+ right? The ap is trash but I can see it doing a ton of wounds.

 Ravajaxe wrote:
(Ground)breaking news, from Faeit 212, right now.

Earlier, when Hydra picture dropped, here we were discussing and guessing which of Basilisk or Griffon, or even Salamander would be the second option in the new heavy support kit.
Myself going for a modernization of the basilisk.
Now we have an answer, and guess who was right ?




Ha ha !




Well no one.
It will be a completely new artillery, not even seen in Epic 40k

The Wyvern.


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Wyvern is on the next cover of the White Dwarf #10
Wyvern Support Battery-Heavy Choice and can take 3 in total.
Comes with a Stormshard Mortar 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred
Armour Value is the same as a Chimera and it costs 10 points less than a Griffon

The model has a chimera hull and looks a lot like Hydra, but with two large short barrels instead of the Hydra's long Autocannons.

It is a dual kit: Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern

What a load of irredeemable crap. Its like a Mortar HWS, only even worse. Hopefully the Hydra sucks less.

I hope to hell that the Stormies, the ugly-gryns and the Hydra/Wyvern are all we're getting.


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Zengu wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
(Ground)breaking news, from Faeit 212, right now.

Earlier, when Hydra picture dropped, here we were discussing and guessing which of Basilisk or Griffon, or even Salamander would be the second option in the new heavy support kit.
Myself going for a modernization of the basilisk.
Now we have an answer, and guess who was right ?




Ha ha !




Well no one.
It will be a completely new artillery, not even seen in Epic 40k

The Wyvern.


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Wyvern is on the next cover of the White Dwarf #10
Wyvern Support Battery-Heavy Choice and can take 3 in total.
Comes with a Stormshard Mortar 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred
Armour Value is the same as a Chimera and it costs 10 points less than a Griffon

The model has a chimera hull and looks a lot like Hydra, but with two large short barrels instead of the Hydra's long Autocannons.

It is a dual kit: Astra Militarum Hydra/ Astra Militarum Wyvern

So shred means it wounds on a 2+ right? The ap is trash but I can see it doing a ton of wounds.

No it means re-rolls to wound, so that means its maybe slightly better than a 3 Mortar HWS.

No, shred gives rerolls to wound.

A " ton of wounds " is a bit far fetched, for STR:4 and small blasts, even if there are two of them.

Well, at least they are following the IG vehicle naming convention.

Also, the game totally needed more ignore cover. I mean, those armies that rely on cover to survive are just too OP

Wow those weapon stats sound terrible!

I think that seals the deal that the Colossus (and Penal Guard) are goners.

 Ravajaxe wrote:

Wyvern Support Battery-Heavy Choice and can take 3 in total.
Comes with a Stormshard Mortar 48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred
Armour Value is the same as a Chimera and it costs 10 points less than a Griffon

Ooh, ooh, ooh! I'll take three! No, wait... sounds like complete arse...

This really puts the fear into me that other IG vehicles will have gotten the nerfbat, if this is meant to be the new hotness.

It doesn't sound too horrible rules wise. Should be effective against light infantry.
Of course, light infantry isn't really a problem anyway...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It doesn't sound too horrible rules wise. Shred and Ignore cover will punish light infantry like boyz and gaunts.

S6 AP4 pie plate with re-rolls to hit on the Griffon is frankly better, even if there was a need for that kind of light anti-infantry unit. (Hint: there isn't)

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It doesn't sound too horrible rules wise. Shred and Ignore cover will punish light infantry like boyz and gaunts.

Unless they spread a little their miniatures. Against small blasts, you don't even need a full 2" spacing to avoid a torrent of hits.

Why this, when we have access to the humble mortar squad ?
I like mortars personally, I'm hoping they will not nerf them by moving the heavy weapons squads from troops platoons, to a heavy support selection.
When we see such horrible ideas (Taurox, Wyvern rules) anything is possible !

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
It doesn't sound too horrible rules wise. Shred and Ignore cover will punish light infantry like boyz and gaunts.

S6 AP4 pie plate with re-rolls to hit on the Griffon is frankly better, even if there was a need for that kind of light anti-infantry unit. (Hint: there isn't)

Yeah, that is better. What's the range on it though?

I really want to buy lots of new IG GW...

So far you are making it very difficult and I may end up not buying any of the new models...

The Wyvern is highly redundant. Lets see what we already have that covers this:
- Mortar Heavy weapon teams that score
- Hellhounds that are going to do more damage and are more accurate
- Collosus that can kill marines and light vehicles
- Lasguns with the fire on my target order
- Special weapon teams/platoon command squads with 3 or 4 flamers jumping out of chimeras or vendettas

I am not going to waste a heavy support slot with some Wyverns.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, at least they are following the IG vehicle naming convention.

Also, the game totally needed more ignore cover. I mean, those armies that rely on cover to survive are just too OP

Ignore cover with AP6 is hardly a problem, and doesn't really contribute to that overarching issue the game has these days.

General Hobbs wrote:



I think that seals the deal that the Colossus (and Penal Guard) are goners.

Um... why exactly?

Hmm so I notic that the "Militarum Tempestus"
Get their own section in the army list at GW site ?? they are a army by they now right now ..with TWO modells ..a hole section for TWO modells ...

I know the knights get their own section ..but they are not a part of any other army so it make a bit more seens

I find it really confusing that Imperial guard elite units do not include the new"stormtroopers" aka Militarum Tempestus

WHY ?!

 Claimh_Solais wrote:

I find it really confusing that Imperial guard elite units do not include the new"stormtroopers" aka Militarum Tempestus
WHY ?!

I'm completely sick of people spreading this assumption like it's an established fact. Yeah, they haven't added them to the IG bit of the site yet - they also haven't renamed the section Astra Militarum, but they will. Means nothing

Strength 4, AP6 small blast.

Wyvern seems useless, even if it is dirt cheap. Griffons, Colossi and Manticores are all better at anti-infantry, and the latter does AT as well.