IG/Astra Militarum Rumours for April (first post updated 12th April)

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**Vaktathi**

The scifi model looks way better though

**Lone Cat**

Sir Arun wrote:
couple things that bother me:

- plasmapistol is still 15 points on a model that only has BS3. maybe you can justify this in that it gives the model a bigger stat boost than it does a marine, but:

- the fact that power weapons still remain at 15 points peeves me off. at least eldar have superior ws and initiative to make use of it, but a lone guardsman sergeant? come on. should have been 10 points, actually 5 points if I had a say in codex writing so people might actually consider taking them just for the heck of it / cool factor.

- boltpistol/bolter upgrade is too cheap. at 1 point, having him keep his laspistol/lasgun is pointless unless your armylist is full and you cant even lose 1 point. I would have priced it at 3 points, because going from S3 AP- to S4 AP5 is quite a difference.

- also, I cant believe that 5 years on GW has still not realised that putting the autocannon and the heavy bolter at the same price is slowed. HB should be 5 points cheaper. Nobody will want to trade +2S and 12" range for +1 shot. Having HB and mortar at the same points level would have been perfect.

Personally Mortar and AC should have the same price, I agree with you on AC and HB points issue.
But who will now get Bolters in IG army? Officier/ Vet. Sarge or an entire vet squad? (or even hillariously... Regular infantrymen!!)??

**Rob451**

Well the more I read about the new rumours the more I decide to stick with my copy of IA3:2E's Elysian list. I just hope Forgeworld don't decide to release an FAQ for it for a while.

**IrishWristwatch**

At this point, all i see more and more is that there is no point in me getting this new codex.

I used Bastonne, I used Al'harem, i used the Griffon model.

I know i am not going to use: The Hydra/Wyvern, Scion platoons (I used beastmen models, i don't have nearly enough to field an entire platoon), or the Taurox. I don't very much have enough tanks to field them as an HQ and then have more on the battlefield.

The only possible thing i could use are the warlord traits. Then again i never cared for them anyway.

It makes me feel like gak that several of the models i liked are now gone from something that should be an update. What GW should have done from a business standpoint is give me a reason to shell out 50 damn bucks on new rules for my army. All it made me do was question their mindset.

I had a specific vision for the tactics of my army. This new codex is seemingly removing half of them.

The absolute only thing that would make me buy their codex is by some miracle they include Regimental Doctrines. Otherwise, my money's staying in my bank account.

**Rostere**

IrishWristwatch wrote:

The absolute only thing that would make me buy their codex is by some miracle they include Regimental Doctrines. Otherwise, my money's staying in my bank account.

Sadly, they aren't

**Sir Arun**

^ very much agree.

Currently I dont see any reason why I should abandon my Imperial Guard and switch to Astra Militarum other than the fact that its an "official update/transition".

There really are no new shiny toys for us to play with or units that got fixed. None. Just a couple of useful orders.

Btw does anyone know if Ratling snipers are going to be in the new codex?

**vorpalhit**

Well if the chimera and vet nerf does happen,
I suppose I could always run coteaz and have 3 specials henchmen, a couple of monkeys and a few ablatives (maybe crusaders?) going around in a cheap inq chimera.

**Ravajaxe**

Bla_Ze wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:
The Taurox looks like a fun model with lots of great detail, but the tracks are more than a little odd looking. If you're going to have four separate track sections for my taste this model has a better aesthetic.

Onslaught Miniatures
September 12, 2013
WIP render of the upcoming Juno APC for the Sisterhood:

Why replace fail with fail? The suspension system on the Taurox are badly designed and so is your scifi model.

The suspension is not worse than on a Chimera or Leman Russ. Flank armoured plates should never go down to the ground level, to let some free space for the wheels to absorb irregularities of the ground.
At least on "Juno APC", there is some room for the 4 tracks blocks to move upwards.

It does not really matters anyway, because this tank will not be available to play for WH40k anytime soon : it's an Epic 6mm scale miniature.

**Rostere**

http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.se/2014/04/imagenes-del-codex-astra-militarum-en.html#comment-form

Okay. So the cheapest LR is now 120 pts?

**vorpalhit**

wait, anyone know whats happened to the manticore? ap3??

**Vaktathi**

Rostere wrote:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.se/2014/04/imagenes-del-codex-astra-militarum-en.html#comment-form

Okay. So the cheapest LR is now 120 pts?

Interesting if true, though it also appears from that link that the Hydra not only is now open topped but also lost its "ignore jink saves" rule, and Rough Riders sadly did not get the DKoK Death Rider treatment so many were hoping for.

**Wolf**

Just an fyi for you guys my preorder of the codx has just been shipped today

**Inquisitor Jex**

Rostere wrote:
IrishWristwatch wrote:

The absolute only thing that would make me buy their codex is by some miracle they include Regimental Doctrines. Otherwise, my money's staying in my bank account.

Sadly, they aren't

What? So all those rumours were just words? So much for the nigh legendrary reliability of that source..

oh wait- it'll be a supplement down the road I'd reckon..

**IrishWristwatch**

Oh, and now that i just saw that picture they havent changed Rough Riders at all? Really? You could not keep Al'harem, but for a unit that legitimately has no models at all you didn't even change them a little bit? Not even WS4 for models whose main focus is melee?

**Rostere**

Vaktathi wrote:
Rostere wrote:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.se/2014/04/imagenes-del-codex-astra-militarum-en.html#comment-form

Okay. So the cheapest LR is now 120 pts?
Interesting if true, though it also appears from that link that the Hydra not only is now open topped but also lost its "ignore jink saves" rule, and Rough Riders sadly did not get the DKoK Death Rider treatment so many were hoping for.

Indeed, although the special rules would be listed just below the armaments, after the image ends, (or in the description of Hydra autocannons!) as we see in the other examples.

Heavy Weapon Squads have a special rule that's called "Heavy Weapon Team". I wonder what that says?

**BrassScorpion**

Why replace fail with fail? The suspension system on the Taurox are badly designed and so is your scifi model.

I wasn't commenting on the realism, which doesn't enter into it at all when talking about 40K. I was commenting on the aesthetics only.

I can't help but laugh at any comments regarding realism regarding Warhammer, which is a game with psychics, daemons, possession, magic, an immortal being, Orks with Cockney accents building Stompas, teleporters, flying vehicles that have no aerodynamic stability whatsoever, ghost and zombie Space Marines, and thousands of other highly implausible or blatantly impossible elements that I won't even attempt to list in their entirety. Reality and the laws of physics do not apply when they are inconvenient to the story or fantasy elements in the universe of Warhammer 40K. It is a "fail" to talk about realism and 40K in the same sentence. LOL.

And I realize that model is a different scale, I wasn't suggesting it as a substitute, only pointing out it's possible to do a 4-track section design that isn't weird or ugly looking. I never use substitutes in 40K myself.

If some users wouldn't jump to conclusions there would be a lot less clutter in these threads. I'm again reminded why I don't post often, it's both exasperating and exhausting.

**Mr.Omega**

So apparently the Spanish IG Codex either has some errors

Or new Sentinels piloted by Daemons

Edit:

Or my Spanish is terrible

**creeping-deth87**

Sir Arun wrote:
couple things that bother me:

- plasmapistol is still 15 points on a model that only has BS3. maybe you can justify this in that it gives the model a bigger stat boost than it does a marine, but:

- the fact that power weapons still remain at 15 points peeves me off. at least eldar have superior ws and initiative to make use of it, but a lone guardsman sergeant? come on. should have been 10 points, actually 5 points if I had a say in codex writing so people might actually consider taking them just for the heck of it / cool factor.

- boltpistol/bolter upgrade is too cheap. at 1 point, having him keep his laspistol/lasgun is pointless unless your armylist is full and you cant even lose 1 point. I would have priced it at 3 points, because going from S3 AP- to S4 AP5 is quite a difference.

- also, I cant believe that 5 years on GW has still not realised that putting the autocannon and the heavy bolter at the same price is slowed. HB should be 5 points cheaper. Nobody will want to trade +2S and 12" range for +1 shot. Having HB and mortar at the same points level would have been perfect.

- and finally, as if 10 points for flakk wasnt already overcosted in the SM book, GW continues this tradition for a BS3 army. smh

What is this "still" business? Plasma pistols aren't "still" 15 pts, they're 10 pts in the 5th ed codex. Same goes for power weapons, it was power FISTS that were 15 pts in the current book and you could only take them on platoon leaders or company commanders. This unnecessary nerfing is incredibly aggravating, what the hell possessed the studio to INCREASE the cost of these options? Were people complaining that power weapons and plasma pistols on Guard were totally OP? It's ridiculous.

**Bla_Ze**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Why replace fail with fail? The suspension system on the Taurox are badly designed and so is your scifi model.
I wasn't commenting on the realism, which doesn't enter into it at all when talking about 40K. I was commenting on the aesthetics only.

I can't help but laugh at any comments regarding realism regarding Warhammer, which is a game with psychics, daemons, possession, magic, an immortal being, Orks with Cockney accents building Stompas, teleporters, flying vehicles that have no aerodynamic stability whatsoever, ghost and zombie Space Marines, and thousands of other highly implausible or blatantly impossible elements that I won't even attempt to list in their entirety. Reality and the laws of physics do not apply when they are inconvenient to the story or fantasy elements in the universe of Warhammer 40K. It is a "fail" to talk about realism and 40K in the same sentence. LOL.

And I realize that model is a different scale, I wasn't suggesting it as a substitute, only pointing out it's possible to do a 4-track section design that isn't weird or ugly looking. I never use substitutes in 40K myself.

Then we both fail at reading comprehension, i didint really comment on realism either, but design. And i do not agree that those "mini landraider" tracks look even remotely good.. Just like the Taurox.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Mr.Omega wrote:

So apparently the Spanish IG Codex either has some errors

Or new Sentinels piloted by Daemons

Where do you see that?

Andador = Walker

Descubierto = Open Topped

**chaos0xomega**

Its a joke because theyre leadership 1

**CthuluIsSpy**

Pretty sure that L is meant to be initiative.

Though it really depends if they call it "iniciativa" in Spanish or something else entirely.

EDIT: As it turns out, I had it backwards. L is Attacks, and A is initiative.

**Mr.Omega**

Vaktathi wrote:
Rostere wrote:
http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.se/2014/04/imagenes-del-codex-astra-militarum-en.html#comment-form

Okay. So the cheapest LR is now 120 pts?
Interesting if true, though it also appears from that link that the Hydra not only is now open topped but also lost its "ignore jink saves" rule, and Rough Riders sadly did not get the DKoK Death Rider treatment so many were hoping for.

There's the balancing act I suggested would happen, now my Leman Russes are 20-30 points cheaper my Chimera-LR pairs are 10 points cheaper overall (actually 20 considering the Vet price drop but I reckon this edition I'll be taking Vet doctrines) instead of 10 points more expensive.

**Inquisitor Jex**

L is for the attacks they have.

**konst80hummel**

No guys it's no joke. It's simply spanish.
A->I=3
L->A=1
S->HP=2
Unfortunately there will not be any CC monster Sentinels...

**Mr.Omega**

IrishWristwatch wrote:
Oh, and now that i just saw that picture they havent changed Rough Riders at all? Really? You could not keep Al'harem, but for a unit that legitimately has no models at all you didn't even change them a little bit? Not even WS4 for models whose main focus is melee?

Rough Riders have CCW's and pistols so now have an extra attack

**CthuluIsSpy**

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
L is for the attacks they have.

Yes, that would make sense.
I thought they had 3 attacks for a second

**schadenfreude**

creeping-deth87 wrote:
Sir Arun wrote:
couple things that bother me:

- plasmapistol is still 15 points on a model that only has BS3. maybe you can justify this in that it gives the model a bigger stat boost than it does a marine, but:

- the fact that power weapons still remain at 15 points peeves me off. at least eldar have superior ws and initiative to make use of it, but a lone guardsman sergeant? come on. should have been 10 points, actually 5 points if I had a say in codex writing so people might actually consider taking them just for the heck of it / cool factor.

- boltpistol/bolter upgrade is too cheap. at 1 point, having him keep his laspistol/lasgun is pointless unless your armylist is full and you cant even lose 1 point. I would have priced it at 3 points, because going from S3 AP- to S4 AP5 is quite a difference.

- also, I cant believe that 5 years on GW has still not realised that putting the autocannon and the heavy bolter at the same price is slowed. HB should be 5 points cheaper. Nobody will want to trade +2S and 12" range for +1 shot. Having HB and mortar at the same points level would have been perfect.

- and finally, as if 10 points for flakk wasnt already overcosted in the SM book, GW continues this tradition for a BS3 army. smh

What is this "still" business? Plasma pistols aren't "still" 15 pts, they're 10 pts in the 5th ed codex. Same goes for power weapons, it was power FISTS that were 15 pts in the current book and you could only take them on platoon leaders or company commanders. This unnecessary nerfing is incredibly aggravating, what the hell possessed the studio to INCREASE the cost of these options? Were people complaining that power weapons and plasma pistols on Guard were totally OP? It's ridiculous.

When it comes to plasma pistols I agree, but not power weapons/power fists. Guard have access to priests now so it' really cheap and easy to give guard units both hatred and shred.

Power axe v meq=4 attacks drop 1 marine
Hate/shred power axe=4 attacks drops 2.25 marines

9 regular guardsmen charging meq with 18 attacks=1 dead marine
Add hate/shred=3.375 dead marines

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

**CthuluIsSpy**

schadenfreude wrote:
creeping-deth87 wrote:
Sir Arun wrote:
couple things that bother me:

- plasmapistol is still 15 points on a model that only has BS3. maybe you can justify this in that it gives the model a bigger stat boost than it does a marine, but:

- the fact that power weapons still remain at 15 points peeves me off. at least eldar have superior ws and initiative to make use of it, but a lone guardsman sergeant? come on. should have been 10 points, actually 5 points if I had a say in codex writing so people might actually consider taking them just for the heck of it / cool factor.

- boltpistol/bolter upgrade is too cheap. at 1 point, having him keep his laspistol/lasgun is pointless unless your armylist is full and you cant even lose 1 point. I would have priced it at 3 points, because going from S3 AP- to S4 AP5 is quite a difference.

- also, I cant believe that 5 years on GW has still not realised that putting the autocannon and the heavy bolter at the same price is slowed. HB should be 5 points cheaper. Nobody will want to trade +2S and 12" range for +1 shot. Having HB and mortar at the same points level would have been perfect.

- and finally, as if 10 points for flakk wasnt already overcosted in the SM book, GW continues this tradition for a BS3 army. smh

What is this "still" business? Plasma pistols aren't "still" 15 pts, they're 10 pts in the 5th ed codex. Same goes for power weapons, it was power FISTS that were 15 pts in the current book and you could only take them on platoon leaders or company commanders. This unnecessary nerfing is incredibly aggravating, what the hell possessed the studio to INCREASE the cost of these options? Were people complaining that power weapons and plasma pistols on Guard were totally OP? It's ridiculous.

When it comes to plasma pistols I agree, but not power weapons/power fists. Guard have access to priests now so it' really cheap and easy to give guard units both hatred and shred.

Power axe v meq=4 attacks drop 1 marine
Hate/shred power axe=4 attacks drops 2.25 marines

9 regular guardsmen charging meq with 18 attacks=1 dead marine
Add hate/shred=3.375 dead marines

With a priest making power axe attacks 125% more deadly and guardsmen 237.5% more deadly we should stop the QQ about a 5 point increase in power weapons.

That's a really good point. Yes, that would explain the price increase balance-wise.

**Rostere**

The stats simply have wrong names. It's not evident if you don't know Spanish. The Sentinel should have armour values, et.c. instead it's somehow got ordinary infantry stats like toughness, leadership, and so on.