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I've seen some posts on Facebook costing the Hell hound at 125. I'm pretty disappointed.

 ultimentra wrote:
So guys, on this whole "vets still get 3 special weapons" thing. I found this floating around-

http://www.mariscal40k.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Veteranos.jpg

Well, the person posting here has the english version, which is the official one. This could be a translation mistake, which would hardly be the first time.

 easysauce wrote:
it was done because the points went down by 35 if the cap is true...

thats awesome... its only getting hot once in a blue moon, for the pts saved its awesome.,..

A 1/6 chance to lose the shot and potentially lose a HP is way more than "once in a blue moon", unless you're the kind of person who thinks that terminator armor means that your models can't die. So the 35 point reduction goes straight into buying a divination slave to twin-link the main gun so that it will be at least reasonably reliable.

heck even the chimeras, which got a buff, since now you get 10 laguns to shoot and two specials vs 3 from the FP's as well as normal shooting.

Lol, no. Lasguns are what you shoot when you have nothing better to do with your time. Shooting all three melta/plasma guns without disembarking is much better than throwing some random lasgun shots at a target. Which is exactly the point, GW wants you to disembark occasionally so they went back to the old Chimera rules.


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 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I've seen some posts on Facebook costing the Hell hound at 125. I'm pretty disappointed.

Why? It's 130 in the current codex, and it's a solid unit that only really has problems with competition for FOC slots from the 130-point Vendetta. With Vendettas getting a major nerf the Hellhound doesn't really need any changes to be a viable choice.

 Sparkadia wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
I'm not sure how firing 2 plasmaguns and 10 lasguns is an improvement over firing 3 plasma guns and two lasguns, on top of a points increas, could be considered "a buff".

QFT.

It's a buff relative to costing +10, -1 fire point, and gaining nothing.

It hurts PCS and CCS far worse because they have 4 specials and can't man all of the lasguns.

There is so much good news that I'm really not all that heartbroken about the Chimera nerf. Run 3 as part of an inquisitorial detachment if you miss them that much. We're not going to get much sympathy because there are some very good buffs to other units.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I've seen some posts on Facebook costing the Hell hound at 125. I'm pretty disappointed.

I think the Hellhound was actually pretty good in the last codex. A fast tank with decent side armour which can engage both tanks and infantry is pretty sweet. It was just overshadowed by the fliers.

Now it's dropped by 5 points base, plus another 5 points off the multi-melta, plus five points off each upgrade, plus it can use camo netting on the move.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I've seen some posts on Facebook costing the Hell hound at 125. I'm pretty disappointed.

I think the Hellhound was actually pretty good in the last codex. A fast tank with decent side armour which can engage both tanks and infantry is pretty sweet. It was just overshadowed by the fliers.

Now it's dropped by 5 points base, plus another 5 points off the multi-melta, plus five points off each upgrade, plus it can use camo netting on the move.

Plus it can outflank, plus the meta is infested with tau that depend on fire warriors to hold objectives.

How can a Hellhound outflank?

I don't usually find myself disagreeing too much with Peregrine, but I find the Hellhound and variants to be absurdly overcosted. They're no more resilient than many units that are as little as half their cost, and while their weaponry isn't bad, it's not tremendously impressive nor particularly long ranged either.

I certainly don't find them to be worth the same pricing as say, a BS4 AV13 battle tank sporting 48" anti-tank guns or AV13 skimmer with S10 AP1 72" BS4 cannon and 4 shot S5 ignores cover/LoS missiles".

The drop in point costs for an executioner and it's plasma spons is enough to buy a primaris with prescience. Overheats go to a 1/36 chance, and the 5 pies reroll to hits.


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Doh, keep on thinking hellhounds have scout for no reason.

 Peregrine wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
it was done because the points went down by 35 if the cap is true...

thats awesome... its only getting hot once in a blue moon, for the pts saved its awesome.,..

A 1/6 chance to lose the shot and potentially lose a HP is way more than "once in a blue moon", unless you're the kind of person who thinks that terminator armor means that your models can't die. So the 35 point reduction goes straight into buying a divination slave to twin-link the main gun so that it will be at least reasonably reliable.

Agreed with Pere, I'd rather have paid the same as before for the same functionality. I dislike melting my own hull away, especially with only 3HP. Seems arbitrary, which is why it annoys me so much.

 Sparkadia wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
it was done because the points went down by 35 if the cap is true...

thats awesome... its only getting hot once in a blue moon, for the pts saved its awesome.,..

A 1/6 chance to lose the shot and potentially lose a HP is way more than "once in a blue moon", unless you're the kind of person who thinks that terminator armor means that your models can't die. So the 35 point reduction goes straight into buying a divination slave to twin-link the main gun so that it will be at least reasonably reliable.

Agreed with Pere, I'd rather have paid the same as before for the same functionality. I dislike melting my own hull away, especially with only 3HP. Seems arbitrary, which is why it annoys me so much.

It takes get hot 72 rolls to strip 1 hp with prescience. With side spons that should take about 24 turns to strip 1hp.

Do we know if the Executioner "gets hot" affects all shots? If it does, then taking a plasma sponson Executioner has a 32% chance of inflicting 1 HP on itself, a 7% chance of inflicting 2 HP, and about a 1% chance of killing itself outright on the first turn All up about a 41% chance of inflicting damage on itself.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I don't usually find myself disagreeing too much with Peregrine, but I find the Hellhound and variants to be absurdly overcosted. They're no more resilient than many units that are as little as half their cost, and while their weaponry isn't bad, it's not tremendously impressive nor particularly long ranged either.

Agreed, I dislike the variants but I do so love the Hellhound. While it isn't great a lot of the time it can be absolutely terrifying, depending on your opponent. Highly situational - but also potentially epic.

Once in every 373,248 turns it will triple overheat and wreck.

 Vaktathi wrote:
it's not tremendously impressive nor particularly long ranged either.

I think you're seriously underestimating the Hellhound's weapon. A 12" move + torrent gives you pretty good threat range, and you have an auto-hit weapon that you can position perfectly to maximize the number of models under it. It's not going to remove whole squads of marines, but it's brutally effective against anything else. Meanwhile 12/12/10 AV is enough to make it take a legitimate effort to kill it, unlike every other non-LRBT tank in the codex.

 Peregrine wrote:
Lol, no. Lasguns are what you shoot when you have nothing better to do with your time. Shooting all three melta/plasma guns without disembarking is much better than throwing some random lasgun shots at a target. Which is exactly the point, GW wants you to disembark occasionally so they went back to the old Chimera rules.

And that is a bad thing? Transports and IFVs are meant to move around and support infantry, not turn an infantry squad into basically a firepower upgrade for the vehicle.

So at first I was sad for the poor chimera. I only have two so I couldn't really justify being up in arms about the changes, though I understand how it's possibly affected others who have heavily invested in them. But when I heard that now they could throw out fire at four different targets the the first thought that sprang to mind was: Chimera, for when the techpriest can't get the disco ball working for the regimental party.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And that is a bad thing? Transports and IFVs are meant to move around and support infantry, not turn an infantry squad into basically a firepower upgrade for the vehicle.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, just that it's clearly a nerf. Sometimes nerfs are justified, like the Vendetta nerf. You can claim that the Chimera nerf was necessary or appropriate, but it's absolutely absurd to claim that it is somehow an improvement like the person I was quoting did.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
it's not tremendously impressive nor particularly long ranged either.

I think you're seriously underestimating the Hellhound's weapon. A 12" move + torrent gives you pretty good threat range, and you have an auto-hit weapon that you can position perfectly to maximize the number of models under it. It's not going to remove whole squads of marines, but it's brutally effective against anything else. Meanwhile 12/12/10 AV is enough to make it take a legitimate effort to kill it, unlike every other non-LRBT tank in the codex.

Mine single-handedly flamed over 20 Boyz, 8 Lootaz and a dozen Grots in my last game - paid his point back twice over. That guy was on (pun intended) fire - any green cockney who even looked at it got burning promethium all over his face. I heartily agree with the Hellhound being awesome, if situational.

Some FW units are about to become even more scary.

No more fishing for perfect timing now we always have ignore cover for prescienced earthshakers/thudd guns through orders.

3 TL LC sabers can now get tank hunter/monster hunter/ignore cover through orders.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Some FW units are about to become even more scary.

No more fishing for perfect timing now we always have ignore cover for prescienced earthshakers/thudd guns through orders.

3 TL LC sabers can now get tank hunter/monster hunter/ignore cover through orders.

Hopefully Sabres get a rebalance when IA1 Vol 3 comes out.

@schadenfreude - Power fist is 25pts and power weapons 15pts.

Also Inquisition doesn't take an allied slot, it has it's own neat little slot so you can take them as well as a different ally.

 schadenfreude wrote:
The drop in point costs for an executioner and it's plasma spons is enough to buy a primaris with prescience. Overheats go to a 1/36 chance, and the 5 pies reroll to hits.

It's conceptually somewhat disappointing that the way the best tank army in the game maximizes the power and survivability of its tanks is by including a wizard to sprinkle it with mystic fairy dust.

 thekingofdinner wrote:
yeah, the price increase for chimeras isn't a big deal since we'll be saving points overall with vet squads being cheaper.. But the loss of all that bonus gear and 3 of the firing points in the hatch is a pretty big downer.
Crossing my fingers and hoping that the hull lasguns are upgraded to the Lasblaster or something similar, but I believe the era of pillbox chimeras is over.

Nah! GW Wants to market its new product. Taurox armored car series.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
The drop in point costs for an executioner and it's plasma spons is enough to buy a primaris with prescience. Overheats go to a 1/36 chance, and the 5 pies reroll to hits.

It's conceptually somewhat disappointing that the way the best tank army in the game maximizes the power and survivability of its tanks is by including a wizard to sprinkle it with mystic fairy dust.

Use an engineseer or mechanicus model for the primaris.

 schadenfreude wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 schadenfreude wrote:
The drop in point costs for an executioner and it's plasma spons is enough to buy a primaris with prescience. Overheats go to a 1/36 chance, and the 5 pies reroll to hits.

It's conceptually somewhat disappointing that the way the best tank army in the game maximizes the power and survivability of its tanks is by including a wizard to sprinkle it with mystic fairy dust.

Use an engineseer or mechanicus model for the primaris.

Except Enginseers seem to be rather useful now. Giving PotMS to a vehicle in 12? I can see some uses for that.

 portugus wrote:
@schadenfreude - Power fist is 25pts and power weapons 15pts.

Also Inquisition doesn't take an allied slot, it has it's own neat little slot so you can take them as well as a different ally.

I still can't get my head around the fact that for 75pts you can have 6 CC attacks at S6 or 6 S7 attacks at range (3PF sgts vs 3 AC HWT)

M.

So about Rough Riders. it seems nothing changes.
or do they get the following upgrades too?
- Lasguns, to make them carabiniers/ 19th century Cavs.
- Carapace Armor, to make Cuirassiers

Wait... the Tempestus Whateverus book was a limited edition book?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait... the Tempestus Whateverus book was a limited edition book?

My FLGS says its on the trade order form, so no.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait... the Tempestus Whateverus book was a limited edition book?

Its shown as shipping within 24 hours on the new FineWeb Store (UK).