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I'm surprised nobody has suggested a plasma globe as a substitute



you can even get battery powered versions

add a few bits from the spares bin, scatter on dead cadians and job done

I did
I want my Void Shield to work on water terrain.And any fool knows you need POWER to go on water.


My Void has POWER :lol:

YOU GOT THE TOUCH

YOU GOT THE POWEEEEEER

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has suggested a plasma globe as a substitute



you can even get battery powered versions

add a few bits from the spares bin, scatter on dead cadians and job done

Funny enough, Only $20 to $40, and actually does something.

Relapse wrote:
The Ebay offers begin with this seller setting the price at $500.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-Void-Shield-Generator-Warhammer-40k-/151260786824?pt=Games_US&hash=item2337d87088

I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.

 Accolade wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The Ebay offers begin with this seller setting the price at $500.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-Void-Shield-Generator-Warhammer-40k-/151260786824?pt=Games_US&hash=item2337d87088

I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.

I don't think so, as usually it would say best offer accepted. I think he just ended it. He may have been one of the people that got a confirmation but didn't get one because they oversold.

esinhorn wrote:
I did
I want my Void Shield to work on water terrain.And any fool knows you need POWER to go on water.

Obscure Back to the Future Part II reference spotted

 squall018 wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The Ebay offers begin with this seller setting the price at $500.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-Void-Shield-Generator-Warhammer-40k-/151260786824?pt=Games_US&hash=item2337d87088

I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.

I don't think so, as usually it would say best offer accepted. I think he just ended it. He may have been one of the people that got a confirmation but didn't get one because they oversold.

It sold at $500.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)

What BS. It's hilarious how people slag off a company for ripping them off .... then support other people who are essentially selling stolen stuff.

 kronk wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.

Wow.

It looks neat, by the way. Just not $100 neat. I like the model, and I'd have bought it for considerably less, but I guess I won't get that opportunity.

I wonder what the tooling cost to run up 1,000?

The limited edition, sold-out-before-you-saw-it release is an interesting comeback to the Chapterhouse saga. I guess a model only has to be sold for 1 day, in order for it to be protected.

What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?

Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.

And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.

 Accolade wrote:

Relapse wrote:
The Ebay offers begin with this seller setting the price at $500.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Workshop-Void-Shield-Generator-Warhammer-40k-/151260786824?pt=Games_US&hash=item2337d87088

I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.

I wouldn't think too much about it.

It just shows how much one knucklehead is willing to pay for it, not what they can reasonably sell it for.

 Alpharius wrote:



What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?

Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.

And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.

GW are quite happy for individuals to make their own Force Field Generator - note the recent Warhammer World posting saying they look forward to seeing scratchbuilt versions. But there are those that assert that Chapterhouse own the rights to mycetic spores because they, rather than GW, have produced a model of it.

As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?

I'm sure he does. Everybody else that wanted one, even at that price, are feeling a big bummed though.

(I kinda wanted one)

I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!

Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.

Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.

 kronk wrote:
I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!

Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.

Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.

I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).

Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.

Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.

I pick dumb.

Okay so that's 1 for dumb....anyone else?

Dumb, but for other reasons.

If GW said we are producing a limited resin kit run, if it works we will reproduce it in plastic.

However they are plugging this as LE which means attempts to now make a mass market version will breach UK trade descriptions laws.

LE stuff tends to sell for more, case in point with the ridiculous price of the Void Shield Generator, but having done so making it not LE anymore is a bait and switch. Perfectly legal if its a LE at the head of another run, like LE hardback codexes, but not if listed as LE only.

GW would have loved to have printed more Space Hulks, they know they would sell and raise good money, but it was listed as LE so it would be illegal to do so without a new edition.

GW, if they are smart, or reading this, or both can make a plastic AdMech gizmo building kit which can be made as a void shield generator or something else, that would be legal, and a very reasonable product investment decision.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
It sold at $500.

... plus 80$ for shipping!

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:



What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?

Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.

And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.

GW are quite happy for individuals to make their own Force Field Generator - note the recent Warhammer World posting saying they look forward to seeing scratchbuilt versions. But there are those that assert that Chapterhouse own the rights to mycetic spores because they, rather than GW, have produced a model of it.

As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?

Yes, Chapterhouse does own the "Alien Spore Pod" model it owns the rights to. Games Workshop made its own works of art depicting spore pods, which it owns the rights to, and Chapterhouse Studios made its own works of art depicting spore pods, which it owns the rights to. I don't think anyone ever said that Chapterhouse owns anything and everything related to the concept of mycetic spores. In a quirk of the law, Chapterhouse used the word mark "Mycetic Spore Pod" in commerce before Games Workshop (ignoring Judge Kennelly's ruling that use of a word in a book constitutes a trademark, which it does not). But that is purely Games Workshop's negligence in not registering the phrase as a trademark and releasing a product under that mark. It is not the market's responsibility to establish the basis for a company's trademark. It is a company's responsibility to do that. It is the responsibility of others to respect a valid trademark, which Chapterhouse is now doing pending appeal, in which I hope the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals will happily rule that, in fact, a word written in a book does not a trademark make.

Before you get all antsy in the pantsy about ownership rights, you should make an effort understand why the laws work the way that they do. If words in books were trademarks, one could merely publish a book with all possible words and prevent anyone from ever using a new word mark. Pretty nuts, right? Completely silly, right? Totally unfair, right? completely unreasonable, right?

 notprop wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!

Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.

Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.

I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).

Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.

Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.

It isn't even resin, its polystone, no casting or cleaning needed AFAIK, just mold pouring and curing time.

 notprop wrote:
Okay so that's 1 for dumb....anyone else?

I vote Chinese/Russian recaster.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:



I wonder what the tooling cost to run up 1,000?

The limited edition, sold-out-before-you-saw-it release is an interesting comeback to the Chapterhouse saga. I guess a model only has to be sold for 1 day, in order for it to be protected.

Being polystone, I would be surprised if they have $500 invested in the tooling, including labor and materials. The master might be another couple hundred if that. A couple of my more commonly used polystone molds are approaching 7 or 800 casts and are not showing signs of deterioration. It is much gentler on the molds since the ceramic powders help to alleviate a lot of the heat and adhesion issues caused with pure resins.

If this is what GW thinks they should do moving forward for protecting a trademark...they are dumb too many ways to count. All this does is provide market research for third party companies when they decide to make their "Steam Punk Energy Shield Generators compatible with Games Workshop miniatures". Being a limited run only goes to ensure that the 3rd party companies wont have to compete against GW.


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 azreal13 wrote:

 notprop wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!

Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.

Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.

I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).

Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.

Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.

It isn't even resin, its polystone, no casting or cleaning needed AFAIK, just mold pouring and curing time.

Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.

Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds.


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weeble1000 wrote:


If words in books were trademarks, one could merely publish a book with all possible words and prevent anyone from ever using a new word mark. Pretty nuts, right? Completely silly, right? Totally unfair, right? completely unreasonable, right?

Which would make Encyclopedia Britannica very happy.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?

You're assuming that he's actually going to receive that $500 for it.

The fact that someone clicked the 'Buy Now' button on his auction is no actual guarantee that they have any intention of paying that much for it. Wouldn't be the first time someone 'bought' something at a ridiculous price with no intention of paying just to annoy the seller.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)

What BS. It's hilarious how people slag off a company for ripping them off .... then support other people who are essentially selling stolen stuff.

Kirasu is not being hypocritical. What he's saying is simply "If GW refuses to sell me their product, I'll buy one from someone who will."

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.

Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds.

Has GW ever done polystone before? The better quality packaging (although I never saw photos of it) and "no cleanup" sounds like this might have been a one shot polystone deal from China instead of made in UK. Will be interested to see if they are labeled "Made in UK" or "Made in China".

"No cleanup" would NEVER apply to a FW model....

T

 insaniak wrote:

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?

You're assuming that he's actually going to receive that $500 for it.

The fact that someone clicked the 'Buy Now' button on his auction is no actual guarantee that they have any intention of paying that much for it. Wouldn't be the first time someone 'bought' something at a ridiculous price with no intention of paying just to annoy the seller.

I am assuming you have limited experience selling on eBay as you simply set the buy it now option to require immediate payment and problem is solved. I can assure you the seller received every dime and delivery confirmation from GW.

timd wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.

Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds.

Has GW ever done polystone before? The better quality packaging (although I never saw photos of it) and "no cleanup" sounds like this might have been a one shot polystone deal from China instead of made in UK. Will be interested to see if they are labeled "Made in UK" or "Made in China".

"No cleanup" would NEVER apply to a FW model....

T

Polystone also explodes when tipped over. My cat tipped over a statue I had made of the stuff and it shattered. We aren't talking fell to the floor, we are talking grazed it and tipped over on the table. I don't expect to see these survive the terrain destroying bastards that play this game. Not to mention the ham handed people that will put it together.

So you are saying then the upcoming chinese resin version will be a superior product.

Here is one way to get one...

From Warpshadow:

"H: VOID SHIELD GENERATOR OR $ W: TYRANID SPORE CHIMNEY

HI

I will have soon a Void Shield Generator which I got from preorder, which I am happy with and can use in my gaming if there is no one to trade with.
But I have also been searching for a Tyranid Spore Chimney for a long time but can't find any.
Hopefully this will draw out the Hermits who are hoarding them lol

Cheers"

Funny I plan on using my Spore chimney as a VSG.