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The Weiner Legions are unwanted foreigners / invaders.

The true inhabitants are cats. Anything else is just a cat in disguise.

 1hadhq wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Lies. There are no women on the internet, or even men. There are only cats.

Sure ?

May the weiner legions be with you...

Pfft, it's just a cat in disguise




But anyways back on topic.. I find that it's still annoying when people still think Slaanesh is basically SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Uh, Hari and I are both women. :p

Oh ? Brother Haraldus is a woman ? I sure did not expect that. I mean, I used to point at the son in my username at people that mistook me for a woman when I used a female avatar.
No need to change your username though, we are all genderless disincarnate entities of pure thoughts on the internet anyway !

Isn't Sister Sydney a guy? The names mean nothing, nothing I tell you! WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *chough* *hack* *chough*

I've always been annoyed when people say that CSM aren't much older than normal marines because time passes differently in the Eye. That is never stated to be true, the only thing that is said is that time flows differently in the warp, so you could have a Chaos Space Marine for whom the heresy was 10 years ago but you could also have 1 for whom the heresy was 1 million years ago.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Lies. There are no women on the internet, or even men. There are only cats.

Sure ?

May the weiner legions be with you...

Pfft, it's just a cat in disguise




But anyways back on topic.. I find that it's still annoying when people still think Slaanesh is basically SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX!

I know, right? I mean, there is more to the guy / girl than mindless fornication.
To be fair on them though, GW doesn't flesh him out as much as he deserves, imo.

 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
I've always been annoyed when people say that CSM aren't much older than normal marines because time passes differently in the Eye. That is never stated to be true, the only thing that is said is that time flows differently in the warp, so you could have a Chaos Space Marine for whom the heresy was 10 years ago but you could also have 1 for whom the heresy was 1 million years ago.

This is the single most annoying thing to me in all the misconceptions of 40K.

Reading fulgrim opened my eyes to how evil slaneesh really is.

 herpguy wrote:

 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
I've always been annoyed when people say that CSM aren't much older than normal marines because time passes differently in the Eye. That is never stated to be true, the only thing that is said is that time flows differently in the warp, so you could have a Chaos Space Marine for whom the heresy was 10 years ago but you could also have 1 for whom the heresy was 1 million years ago.

This is the single most annoying thing to me in all the misconceptions of 40K.

Thisssssssssssssss.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Isn't Sister Sydney a guy?

I do not know! I do not know anything anymore!!!


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 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
I've always been annoyed when people say that CSM aren't much older than normal marines because time passes differently in the Eye.

Well, unless Chaos gives them a longer lifespan, they cannot be that much older, because else they would be senile or dead. Do Chaos extend their lifespan ? I mean, of course it does for those that have become daemons and therefore eternal, but for your rank-and-file fallen marine ?

Well, unless Chaos gives them a longer lifespan, they cannot be that much older, because else they would be senile or dead. Do Chaos extend their lifespan ? I mean, of course it does for those that have become daemons and therefore eternal, but for your rank-and-file fallen marine ?

Marines have an unknown age length, one of the oldest is 1000+

There's no known age length due to the fact most will likely die in battle long before they reach it.

There's also no known senility either.

The IoM's tech is inferior to 21st century tech.

It really isn't. We do not have cyborgs, our manufacturing capabilities are not that advanced compared to them, they do have targeting computers (powered armored has built in auto-aim), and they have laser tech.

Everything in-game is an abstraction.

They're ahead of us some ways, and behind us in others.

Exhibit A: Their FTL ships require crews of thousands and everything has to be done manually.

Problem: We do not have FTL / warp driven ships, so we cannot make a comparison.

If you said it takes 1000 people to get a car to run, you may have a point.

They do have machines, you know. Not everything has to be manual.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Problem: We do not have FTL / warp driven ships, so we cannot make a comparison.

If you said it takes 1000 people to get a car to run, you may have a point.

They do have machines, you know. Not everything has to be manual.

Depends in some cases, some of those big navy ships have slaves carrying the massive weaponry and loading it in rather then conveyor belts or any other simple tech.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
They're ahead of us some ways, and behind us in others.

Exhibit A: Their FTL ships require crews of thousands and everything has to be done manually.

They're behind us in that way? I guess our own FTL ships require crews of.... um.... yea.

Modern spacecraft use navigation computers to not end up smeared across Texas. Imperial starships have buildings-worth of modified humans plugged into massive machines to do the same thing a computer the size of a cinder block can do now.

Modern naval weapons are loaded and aimed with machines. Imperial space weapons have to be loaded and pointed in the right direction by hundreds of human workers. That's hundreds of humans for each individual weapon, not hundreds of humans in total.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Modern spacecraft use navigation computers to not end up smeared across Texas. Imperial starships have buildings-worth of modified humans plugged into massive machines to do the same thing a computer the size of a cinder block can do now.

Modern naval weapons are loaded and aimed with machines. Imperial space weapons have to be loaded and pointed in the right direction by hundreds of human workers. That's hundreds of humans for each individual weapon, not hundreds of humans in total.

Our starships do not travel through the Warp, nor do they travel as fast outside of it.

They use hundreds of humans because they are probably still cheaper than machines. Grimdark!

Hence why they're ahead of us in some areas, and behind us in others.

For those of you who need it spelled out:

They are ahead of us in the area of FTL technology.

They are behind us in the areas of computers and automation.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Modern spacecraft use navigation computers to not end up smeared across Texas. Imperial starships have buildings-worth of modified humans plugged into massive machines to do the same thing a computer the size of a cinder block can do now.

Modern naval weapons are loaded and aimed with machines. Imperial space weapons have to be loaded and pointed in the right direction by hundreds of human workers. That's hundreds of humans for each individual weapon, not hundreds of humans in total.

I thought that was because it was CHEAPER for the Imperium to do it that way, not because they didn't have the technology, due to the sheer amount of manpower available. Mechanicus starships (where they don't give a gak about the cost) use auto-loaders instead, if I recall correctly. I could be wrong.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Modern spacecraft use navigation computers to not end up smeared across Texas. Imperial starships have buildings-worth of modified humans plugged into massive machines to do the same thing a computer the size of a cinder block can do now.

Modern naval weapons are loaded and aimed with machines. Imperial space weapons have to be loaded and pointed in the right direction by hundreds of human workers. That's hundreds of humans for each individual weapon, not hundreds of humans in total.

There is no difference between a human and a computer for the IOM (which love using humans as processors and CPU's), that and our modern spacecraft do not have to exit and enter the warp, and neither do they move at degrees of c or have to manage one or more fusion reactors supporting actual miniature stars.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
They are behind us in the areas of computers and automation.

Which could be somewhat justified in-fluff. A dogmatic cult has a stranglehold on all technology and technological development. So that's going to impede things here and there.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Problem: We do not have FTL / warp driven ships, so we cannot make a comparison.

That's a terrible argument.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Problem: We do not have FTL / warp driven ships, so we cannot make a comparison.

That's a terrible argument.

It is a valid argument though. You cannot compare X to an unknown. Since we do not currently possess FTL capabilities we have no idea how many people would be required to operate it.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Problem: We do not have FTL / warp driven ships, so we cannot make a comparison.

That's a terrible argument.

It's a logical argument.

If the IG artillery scatters in the fluff like it scatters on the TT, then we've got far, far, far, far better guns than them.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Hence why they're ahead of us in some areas, and behind us in others.

For those of you who need it spelled out:

They are ahead of us in the area of FTL technology.

They are behind us in the areas of computers and automation.

All of their computers are infected with sentient code that can, and will, kill you if you offend it.

Better get to anointing that PC with the sacred unguents, brother!

 Psienesis wrote:

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Hence why they're ahead of us in some areas, and behind us in others.

For those of you who need it spelled out:

They are ahead of us in the area of FTL technology.

They are behind us in the areas of computers and automation.

All of their computers are infected with sentient code that can, and will, kill you if you offend it.

Better get to anointing that PC with the sacred unguents, brother!

That depends on how much of the "Machine Spirit" concept you accept as truth and how much of it you consider to be "We found a witch! May we burn her?"

Machine spirits are indeed AI's, although their origin and actual mental capability varies greatly, with some likely being the shattered remnants of old DAOT AI that the Admech decided to use, humans that were fully upgraded and are being used as CPU's and have been buried in the ship/tank/titan, or weaker AI's that while sentient, aren't the Xantos Speed Chess Master AI's from the DAOT. We do know for example that some can feel emotions or even hold thoughts.

But they're nowhere near DAOT AI's, who put humans to shame and can cripple terminators and a contingent of techpriests with a mere snap of its fingers.

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Lord-Captain Cepinari wrote:
Hence why they're ahead of us in some areas, and behind us in others.

For those of you who need it spelled out:

They are ahead of us in the area of FTL technology.

They are behind us in the areas of computers and automation.

All of their computers are infected with sentient code that can, and will, kill you if you offend it.

Better get to anointing that PC with the sacred unguents, brother!

That depends on how much of the "Machine Spirit" concept you accept as truth and how much of it you consider to be "We found a witch! May we burn her?"

How do you know it's a witch?

What I meant was, how much of the idea that "every machine has a mind of it's own" is true, and how much of it is "people are too stupid to understand how their own stuff works anymore."