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 Asherian Command wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Totally wishlisting but I was telling my wife...

Spoiler:

That they are really setting the Viper's death up to be a kick in the balls for viewers this season. He is being portrayed as very likeable to the audience (cool, confident, reasonable, etc), which almost guarantees that his death goes down as intended.

Of course, my other thought was that they could really punch book readers in the nuts by excising the whole Mountain is a zombie thread and having the Viper win/live.

That would be cooler. It would be a twist and preferable.

Spoiler:

I mean Oberyn is everyone's favorite character in the books.

Pretty much the reason I loved the books was someone introducing me to the fight. Also, the actor they picked is doing a great job.

Agreed to all that has been said. Though the way the show is going they will.

I am really existed for the battle at the wall.

Ok, something is bothering me about ep6

Everything about Theon's story is different in the show.

edit: Well not everything, but close.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, something is bothering me about ep6

Spoiler:

So they have that bastard surrounded, and his back is turned to them as he's opening the cage to the dogs. So...why doesn't Asha just bury her axe into his head and be done with it? I mean, the cockbite tortured her brother into insanity. Also, why didn't they just knock Theon out? The Ironborn are not known to be gentle. Did it happen like this in the book? I can't remember

In the book, Asha Greyjoy did not attempt to rescue Theon.



So far, they've either cut the Iron Island Kingsmoot arc completely, or they're delaying it to Season 5 and using this raid on the Dreadfort as filler. I hope thats the case as some of the Iron Born are quite interesting.

Theon is one of the few people I genuinely feel sorry for in the books...

Yeah, that was just filler and character development for her.

 d-usa wrote:
Theon is one of the few people I genuinely feel sorry for in the books...

I feel sorry for him, to the extent that I think he deserved a quick, clean beheading at Robb's hands rather than being tortured and mutilated at the hands of Ramsay Snow.

Our way is the old way.

d-usa wrote:Theon is one of the few people I genuinely feel sorry for in the books...

He was a dick and screwed Robb but he's defintely paid more than his fair share: new Motto; Don't get caught by a Bolton ever

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, something is bothering me about ep6

Spoiler:

So they have that bastard surrounded, and his back is turned to them as he's opening the cage to the dogs. So...why doesn't Asha just bury her axe into his head and be done with it? I mean, the cockbite tortured her brother into insanity. Also, why didn't they just knock Theon out? The Ironborn are not known to be gentle. Did it happen like this in the book? I can't remember

In the book, Asha Greyjoy did not attempt to rescue Theon.

Spoiler:

Balon dies when he falls from a bridge during a storm. IIRC its implied that a Faceless Man killed him.

Asha (Yara) returns to the Iron Islands to attend the Kingsmoot and press her own claim to the throne but loses out to her uncle Euron (not yet cast for the show).

Then she rejoins her men at Deepwood Motte, but is captured by Stannis Baratheon when he retakes the castle with the aid of some northern lords and the mountain clans.

So far, they've either cut the Iron Island Kingsmoot arc completely, or they're delaying it to Season 5 and using this raid on the Dreadfort as filler. I hope thats the case as some of the Iron Born are quite interesting.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Theon is one of the few people I genuinely feel sorry for in the books...

I feel sorry for him, to the extent that I think he deserved a quick, clean beheading at Robb's hands rather than being tortured and mutilated at the hands of Ramsay Snow.

Our way is the old way.

That is one thing I do like about the books. Good guys turn bad, bad guys turn good, and some guys who are donkey-caves get so much given back to them that you just wish that they would just get put out of their misery...

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

d-usa wrote:Theon is one of the few people I genuinely feel sorry for in the books...

He was a dick and screwed Robb but he's defintely paid more than his fair share: new Motto; Don't get caught by a Bolton ever

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, something is bothering me about ep6

Spoiler:

So they have that bastard surrounded, and his back is turned to them as he's opening the cage to the dogs. So...why doesn't Asha just bury her axe into his head and be done with it? I mean, the cockbite tortured her brother into insanity. Also, why didn't they just knock Theon out? The Ironborn are not known to be gentle. Did it happen like this in the book? I can't remember

In the book, Asha Greyjoy did not attempt to rescue Theon.

Spoiler:

Balon dies when he falls from a bridge during a storm. IIRC its implied that a Faceless Man killed him.

Asha (Yara) returns to the Iron Islands to attend the Kingsmoot and press her own claim to the throne but loses out to her uncle Euron (not yet cast for the show).

Then she rejoins her men at Deepwood Motte, but is captured by Stannis Baratheon when he retakes the castle with the aid of some northern lords and the mountain clans.

So far, they've either cut the Iron Island Kingsmoot arc completely, or they're delaying it to Season 5 and using this raid on the Dreadfort as filler. I hope thats the case as some of the Iron Born are quite interesting.

Spoiler:

I don't think They'll cut it as there's potentially a Dragon Rider involved there (With the Horn brought back from Old Valayria) or if not a Rider itself but the means to fight them: this is all unveiled at the King's Moot by which point Asha iirc had disowned Theon already so perhaps the raid was to demonstrate that's now her belief
Quite possible the death of her father will be broken at a meeting of the Small Council although I'll admit when i read it I didn't get the implication of a faceless man but it did imply (To me at least) that Prophecies Can come true with Magic seeping back into the world.
In conclusion I believe that the Ironborn is meerly being delayed a bit not being scrapped altogether

I hope so because....

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Spoiler:

I really wanna see Balon's death, even if just in silhouette . Make it ambiguous, with a shadowy figure glimpsed for a brief moment behind him as a nod to the Faceless Man assassination theory.

I can't wait for the Greyjoys

Anyone wonder what is up with Shae? She seemed she didnt want to be there

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone wonder what is up with Shae? She seemed she didnt want to be there

Would you? You are staring at the man you love and saying. "He did this, he also did this. I am a whore." That is mentally traumatizing to say the least.

Yeah, but it seemed like she was doing some line reading, not actually testifying

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah, but it seemed like she was doing some line reading, not actually testifying

If they follow the books, you'll find out what's up her next episode.

Really skull blow us if Oberyon is the 3rd Tygarian

 Jihadin wrote:
Really skull blow us if Oberyon is the 3rd Tygarian

Well, given that he's not related to them, I'd say no. That and he isn't wearing his plot armor.

I'm one of those guys who doesn't like Oberyn, nor anyone from Dorne.

So, etiquette wise, can we stop using spoiler tags here or what? Because the thread title, after all, does say [SPOILERS] pretty prominently in it, and I'd have to think that anyone who didn't want something spoiled wouldn't be 14 pages in.

What is the consensus on this?


Also, on a side note: one of the things I think the show did better than the book was develop Theon's motivations. In the books, I feel like when Theon betrayed Robb and the other Starks, it was kind of like... random, and out of the blue. On the show, however, I think they laid a pretty solid groundwork of the Starks kind of being a dick to Theon, repeatedly, which then built up to his betrayal.

Also also, check this out.




You can see some interesting things to come if you watch it carefully, like Oberyn in a fight and a certain duo running down a dungeon hallway.

Well. GRRM is somewhat off the reservation and we're pretty much matching what's in the book to the TV show. I say use spoiler tags for "shock and awe"

I'm pro "it says spoiler in the thread, stay out or deal with it".

Talking about actors. I know people love how our favorite dead king was played, and how that guy did a great job at making us hate him.

But I also think that this guys is doing an excellent job:

Have you seen Misfits? He's a main character in the first couple seasons.

I haven't watched that show.

Edit:

I like how they didn't show what he actually did. But he goes from fething a hot chick and 30 minutes later he shows up covered in blood?

Guy is a psychopath, and he plays that perfectly!

It's only good while he's on it. After that, it goes downhill. And yes, his job as Snow is great.

 d-usa wrote:
I'm pro "it says spoiler in the thread, stay out or deal with it".

Talking about actors. I know people love how our favorite dead king was played, and how that guy did a great job at making us hate him.

But I also think that this guys is doing an excellent job:

Snow is a parody, Joffrey seems like what would happen if an angry 17 year old got THAT much power.

How is Snow a parody?