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2014/06/16 02:26:04
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
HERE COMES STANNIS AT THE SPEED SOUND!
ARYA IS A BADASSS
TYRION GOT HIS REVENGE
DANY LOCKED UP HER DRAGONS
Tyrion will cross the land
Searching far and wide
Each dragon to understand
The power that's on the throne.
TYWINS DEAD, (Gotta kill them all!) Its you and me
I know its their destiny
Tywins DEAD, OH, you're my kin
In a world we must destroy!
TYWINS DEAD! (Gotta kill them all!) a heart is gone!
Cersi will be pulled down by her
Father's ultimate dooom,
Arya has another name to scratch
from her list of names
She will become an assassin
And kill cersi too!
Jon snow burned ygrittes body
Basically what I was thinking the entire time
Overall Episode was the best in the entire series.
IT WAS AWESOME but sadly....
Spoiler:
one of the reeds died. THATS NEW, Brienne of Tarth kicked the Hound's ass. AND NO LADY STONE HEART COME ON SHOW! It was awesome to see Stannis though, and my god that Calvary charge was fething unbelievable.
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2014/06/16 02:33:33
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Another episode that allows book readers to watch and then laugh at the looks on the faces of those who have only watched the show! Those are always fun!
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2014/06/16 03:55:44
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
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2014/06/16 03:57:38
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
he did, after he... soiled... Tyrion says something along the line of I guess Tywin Lannister doesnt please don't bypass the language filter like this. Reds8n gold.
been too long I may be incorrect.
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2014/06/16 10:46:59
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
About to watch it now, though I have read the books so know broadly what happens.
And I read a forum thread last night as the episode aired so I know whats new for the show, it was hilarious to see the tears of despair and outrage of fans in real time.
Spoiler:
I'm surprised that Jojen was killed, from what I hear it was a rather brutal death. I guess it confirms the theory that Jojen is actually dead in the books and has been turned into a paste that the Children fed to Bran.
Re Lady Stoneheart
Spoiler:
I was disappointed that they've cut her from the Epilogue, she would have made a great final shot. But come to think of it, I think the Lady Stoneheart / undead Catelyn reveal should be delayed until the Season 5 finale. The Brotherhood Without Banners storyline would be a great running theme throughout Season 5 and LS should be teased and foreshadowed throughout the Season.
Maybe the first episode will open with captured Frey's being hanged by the Brotherhood, overseen by a shadowy hooded figure who simply croaks but does not speak, but we don't see her face at first. Then various Lannister and Frey characters make references throughout the Season to attacks and raids by "bandits". Maybe we see dead corpses scattered about, implying that a raid or skirmish took place. Ambushed convoys, patrols, etc. Shots of people hanging in the woods. Walder Frey complaining that his lands are being raided and his family members murdered.
And then in the finale, Brienne is captured by the Brotherhood, Podrick is hanged...and then Catelyn is revealed to be the Brotherhood's new leader. Thoros of Myr then explains that Beric resurrected Catelyn against Thoros' advice, and she now leads the Brotherhood in a quest for revenge against the Freys.
The last scene of the Season 5 finale would be Brienne being hanged next to Podrick, and then she screams "Sword!". Cut to black.
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2014/06/16 10:50:33
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Ouze wrote: Jojen was not killed in the books, was he; or did I forget?
I may be remembering incorrectly, but he was not.
Coldhands defended them from the Wights in that area. I guess they've decided to skip Coldhands' character all together.
Its speculated, and may have happened "off-screen" as it were. Bran (the POV) doesn't witness Jojen's fate directly.
Spoiler:
Jojen goes "missing" towards the end of ADwD IIRC. Meera is sad and withdraws refusing to speak to anyone, everybody is vague about where Jojen is, and the Children feed Bran "a bloody paste". Jojen was already terminally ill, had been foreshadowing his own death for a long time (saw it in his Green Dreams) and had fallen into a depression when they arrived at the tree in the North).
If Jojen is not already dead in the books, then the fact that D&D felt comfortable enough to overtly kill him off suggests that he will be soon. It would seem that he doesn't play a significant role in future.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Watching now....
HOLY CRAP! I had no idea Stannis still had that many men. Thats an impressive army. I take it he found his sellswords?
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2014/06/16 12:33:49
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
I thought it was interesting they avoided major parts of Jaime and Tyrion's last words to each other. And Tyrions handling of his ex was a nice addition (that didn't happen in the books right, it's been forever since I read them and I refuse to read them again).
I like that we've jumped clear into seaon 5 on some characters while others we're in the late 3rd book. It's going to flow much better than the novels. And it's kinda nice because we're getting to the point where even readers might start not knowing what is happening
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2014/06/16 12:35:44
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
AegisGrimm wrote: Another episode that allows book readers to watch and then laugh at the looks on the faces of those who have only watched the show! Those are always fun!
Our local theater took part in Cineplex's/HBO's special event, so I was able to see the finale on the BIG! screen with 300 other fans...
It was glorious the moments where you could easily identify all the non-book readers!
Spoiler:
The peasant farmer bringing Dany the charred remains of his daughter, and the chaining of Raegal & Vesarian
Spoiler:
Jojen's death
I'm betting they've left out Coldhands altogether as he's a minor character, and most of the non-book readers have almost certainly forgotten about poor Brynden Stark (Ned's brother) by now.
Spoiler:
Brienne vs. the Hound! Half the theater screamed when Sandor went over that cliff and it was dead silence the entire time poor Sandor is begging Arya to kill him.
Mind you, it seems like half the book readers haven't clued into Sandor's story arc...
Spoiler:
Tyrion killing Shea and then helping his father void his bowels! I wish they'd kept the nut-shot though... and the gakking 'not gold' part, but it was still an epic moment!
Again, you could hear a freaking pin drop in the theater after Shea's death.
Varys' final shot is certainly just a set up for his MIA arc since we see very little of him through books 4 & 5, for very obvious reasons! Now the non-book readers who haven't gotten nearly as much backstory about Varys won't be left in the lurch constantly wondering where the hell he is & what he's up to.
Overall, I loved the finale!
But I hate today, for today marks the beginning of the fething 10 month wait until the Season 5 premier!
2014/06/16 13:14:35
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
I'm betting they've left out Coldhands altogether as he's a minor character, and most of the non-book readers have almost certainly forgotten about poor Brynden Stark (Ned's brother) by now.
*Benjen Stark, not Brynden.
"Brynden" is the name of the 3 Eyed Raven, who Bran meets. Brynden Rivers, a.k.a. the "Blood Raven" (on account of his albino skin and red eyes), a Targaryen bastard who joined the Night's Watch 70 years ago.
Again, you could hear a freaking pin drop in the theater after Shea's death.
*Shae.
Varys' final shot is certainly just a set up for his MIA arc since we see very little of him through books 4 & 5, for very obvious reasons! Now the non-book readers who haven't gotten nearly as much backstory about Varys won't be left in the lurch constantly wondering where the hell he is & what he's up to.
Did Varys choose to get on the ship with Tyrion? This was certainly the biggest change of the episode, the implications are huge!
Spoiler:
Who the hell is going to kill Kevan Lannister and Pycelle now?
Hopefully this is a setup for the "fake" Aegon arc. It'll be awesome if Varys is exposed as a Blackfyre!
I am really fething stoked for Season 5. The show is catching up to the books fast and will probably contain even more plot details from The Winds of Winter, and I'm just happy that I will get to at least watch an adapted conclusion to the Song of Ice and Fire series within my lifetime.
Lots of book readers are whinging on the SOIAF Forum that D&D have fethed up, that they've ruined the story by not being faithful to the source material. And they're right, in that its an adaptation - this is D&D's take on ASOIAF, not a literal 100% adaptation from book to screen. Just like Peter Jackson's take on the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, the TV show is a separate entity from the books entirely.
I'd rather watch a TV adaptation over the next 3-4 years and get the conclusion to the story that way, than be reading the final book 20 years from now.
But I hate today, for today marks the beginning of the fething 10 month wait until the Season 5 premier!
Walking Dead will be here in October. So for me its a 4 month wait until another one of my favourite shows returns.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, I was a little disappointed that a certain Lady did not appear, but that closing scene with Arya and the song that played over the credits gave me tingles.
Arya and Jon are my favourite characters, on screen and on the page. Next Season is going to be freaking amazing.
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2014/06/16 13:36:08
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Yeah some of the shots there were quite epic. Especially the ones with stannis. Though I wished they just had dany chaining up the dragons. Because now she is basically useless to the story :/
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2014/06/16 13:47:05
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
The Varys change is interesting but if the rest of the stuff goes the same way as the books I'll likely give up on the show for the next season as I did not enjoy them..................especially the Dany stroryline - Ill watch tonight and see how I feel but if its just going to more St Jon the Blessed and friends, Bran and the hippy Elves and the other crowbared in new characters, will be very diasapointed
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Hm, no one else in the thread seems to be upset that...
Spoiler:
Jamie and Tyrion didn't have their last words about Tysha. As I recall, this is the whole thing that spurs Tyrion to finally go and kill his dad. I also didn't like that Tyrion kills his dad BEFORE meeting Varys, as Varys is the one who shows him how to get to his father's chambers in the book. I suspected Varys deliberately egged Tyrion on in an attempt to further destabilize the realm, just like he does when he kills Kevan Lannister, but that's all for naught now cause the show does it differently.
Regarding Varys leaving... isn't this what happens in the book? I seem to recall Varys going missing at some point, so that little tidbit in the episode didn't seem particularly strange to me.
All in all the episode was really done. I loved the Brienne v. Sandor duel. I was freaking out right before it happened, like I do with all the major changes they implement in the show, but it was well done and doesn't detract from any of those characters' arcs. The Bran stuff was good. Anyone else think that Bran is going to warg into Dany's dragons? That's been my theory for a while now, and hearing tree man (sorry I forget his name) telling Bran he's going to fly totally solidifies that for me
2014/06/16 14:02:09
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
djones520 wrote: They took some big leaps here. Jojen is dead. Brienne is the one who "killed" Sandor Clegane. No Cold Hands.
That's all that is coming to mind immediately, but I'm sure there were some other ones.
I'm VERY surprised that Jaime didn't explain the truth about Tysha to Tyrion like in the book. It's a shocking revelation and IMO is what puts Tyrion in the proper (murderous) frame of mind for what comes after. So you end up with bro hugs between Jaime and Tyrion instead of a very different departure. I'm not sure that I agree with or even get that writing choice.
So here's my question about the path of the show compared to the books (book spoilers ahead). Considering that GRRM is involved in the writing of the show, does this season throw cold water on some of the fan theories regarding the books?
Spoiler:
On one hand you have the fairly blatant creation of Sir Robert Strong...the show wasn't the slightest bit shy about that one.
On the other, no story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree, which I think is key in the theory about Jon Snow's parentage and understanding what probably really went down between Lyanna and Rhaegar. I suppose it's not absolutely necessary material, but hasn't the show generally been very light in its mentions of Lyanna and Rhaegar? The books feel like they're setting something up there...but the show doesn't to this point.
Similarly, Tywin was in no apparent discomfort in the privy and the show lacked the meeting between him and Oberyn...so does this mean that Tywin WASN'T poisoned by Oberyn? I guess we'll see if next season addresses the rapid decomposition of his corpse like in the book. I hazard to guess that it won't.
I could go on, but I'll keep it short. I completely understand that the book and show are different mediums and ultimately are different stories. And they could easily still work some of this stuff in later in a different way. Still, I've always thought that the show would end up in a similar place to the books, so it did raise the question, again especially since Sir Robert Strong was handled so obviously.
Jamie and Tyrion didn't have their last words about Tysha. As I recall, this is the whole thing that spurs Tyrion to finally go and kill his dad. I also didn't like that Tyrion kills his dad BEFORE meeting Varys, as Varys is the one who shows him how to get to his father's chambers in the book. I suspected Varys deliberately egged Tyrion on in an attempt to further destabilize the realm, just like he does when he kills Kevan Lannister, but that's all for naught now cause the show does it differently.
Regarding Varys leaving... isn't this what happens in the book? I seem to recall Varys going missing at some point, so that little tidbit in the episode didn't seem particularly strange to me.
All in all the episode was really done. I loved the Brienne v. Sandor duel. I was freaking out right before it happened, like I do with all the major changes they implement in the show, but it was well done and doesn't detract from any of those characters' arcs. The Bran stuff was good. Anyone else think that Bran is going to warg into Dany's dragons? That's been my theory for a while now, and hearing tree man (sorry I forget his name) telling Bran he's going to fly totally solidifies that for me
Hah. You ninja'ed me. I think you're dead on...that was the reason why he went after him instead of just fleeing. I don't get it, but I guess we'll see where things go.
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The Varys change is interesting but if the rest of the stuff goes the same way as the books I'll likely give up on the show for the next season as I did not enjoy them..................especially the Dany stroryline - Ill watch tonight and see how I feel but if its just going to more St Jon the Blessed and friends, Bran and the hippy Elves and the other crowbared in new characters, will be very diasapointed
Wow. Someone really is disgruntled about the show. Shesh. If it makes you happy those character were only there for like 7 minutes. Primary focus was on Tyrion, and Arya.
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2014/06/16 14:12:32
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
The look on my friends' faces when they were watching it I'm the only book reader of the folks that were watching it, and at least two of them looked at me that scene wondering who the hell suddenly appeared with an army. Great stuff.
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2014/06/16 14:18:49
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