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 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's called 7th edition, over 500 pages, escalation is in it, it's $99.99 usd, and new templates are also coming out along side it.

Got a source on that?

EDIT: Looks like BoLS: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/04/40k-7th-edition-early-rumblings.html

Following up on this week's report of GW ramping up for 7th Edition in May, here's the latest batch of little morsels of what type of rollout we will see:


-The initial rulebook is said to be another "telephone book" in the 500pp+ size. So look for something on par with what 6th looks like.

- It would appear to be the standard 40K edition rollout pattern we have seen from GW time and again. Look for the rulebook to rollout first next month to entice all the existing players, with the updated starter boxed set later in the summer to double-dip the mini collectors and get the latest and greatest into the hands of new players. August was the last reported date for that.

- Look for all the standard accessories to get new fancy incarnations such as the plastic templates, cards, play markers.

- The only word on rules so far is to look for Escalation to get merged into the core ruleset.

Immediately after 40K 7th is released, Orks are hot on their heels.

Those read like someone just rehashing already known rumors with easy to predict stuff.

 Shandara wrote:
Those read like someone just rehashing already known rumors with easy to predict stuff.

Seriously, that's most of BoLS rumors. It's rare they bring anything else out unless it's posted by someone in their forums. I'm pretty sure they have no sources to call their own.

I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

Depends on what the rulebook does. If the information passed to me is correct it's a re-tweaking of the rules on a fairly small scale and a roll-up of FAQs and the rules for the expansions (and likely only the rules and not the statlines) into the main book. If some of the other information is correct then it's a full new edition. We'll know for sure here within a month for sure.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

You won't get it since there pretty much aren't any avenues left by which GW communicate with its fans and its players any more. To go back to the 3rd Ed/4th Ed example that was raised earlier, there are some parallels however the key point to be taken was that in Chapter Approved where the new assault rules were first debuted and trialled, Andy Chambers specifically said it was due to feedback he had received from the community and from fans (same as the change to Terminator armour, giving it an Inv save - again, came about after discussion with the community).

Since Chapter Approved went for a Burton there pretty much is no real way that GW can communicate with the community (assuming the game designers don't browse gaming forums for feedback). Even if they did listen, there is still no way that they would communicate the reason for change back to us. can you imagine today's GW holding up their hands and admitting that the reason for a new edition or overhaul of certain rules was because they got it wrong? I can't.

 filbert wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

You won't get it since there pretty much aren't any avenues left by which GW communicate with its fans and its players any more. To go back to the 3rd Ed/4th Ed example that was raised earlier, there are some parallels however the key point to be taken was that in Chapter Approved where the new assault rules were first debuted and trialled, Andy Chambers specifically said it was due to feedback he had received from the community and from fans (same as the change to Terminator armour, giving it an Inv save - again, came about after discussion with the community).

Since Chapter Approved went for a Burton there pretty much is no real way that GW can communicate with the community (assuming the game designers don't browse gaming forums for feedback). Even if they did listen, there is still no way that they would communicate the reason for change back to us. can you imagine today's GW holding up their hands and admitting that the reason for a new edition or overhaul of certain rules was because they got it wrong? I can't.

I assume we'll see something that talks about the new release in some capacity in the WD and on the blog and if it's a "whole new edition" or just a re-tooling. But explicitly stating why? Not too likely, that is for sure.

Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated. That will be the determining factor on what this Edition will be called. If the digital customers will have to purchase an entirely new book as well, then there is no way that anyone could call this an update. It would be an entirely new edition of the rules.

I also would not be surprised if there were a new template added to the package or changes in the size of existing templates. We can probably expect a package with a 10' template, since that is in the AM codex, just to get those sales from the AM crowd. If they change the size of any of the other templates however, that would do two things: 1. Make all existing templates invalid and cause more sales. 2. Kick any secondary makers of templates right in the teeth by invalidating their current product and production facilities.

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated. That will be the determining factor on what this Edition will be called. If the digital customers will have to purchase an entirely new book as well, then there is no way that anyone could call this an update. It would be an entirely new edition of the rules.

I also would not be surprised if there were a new template added to the package or changes in the size of existing templates. We can probably expect a package with a 10' template, since that is in the AM codex, just to get those sales from the AM crowd. If they change the size of any of the other templates however, that would do two things: 1. Make all existing templates invalid and cause more sales. 2. Kick any secondary makers of templates right in the teeth by invalidating their current product and production facilities.

Well kick them in the teeth until GW's inevitable "limited release" of the new templates runs out. I ended up getting Vortex Markers and the large blue Apoc Templates from e-Bay just because GW isn't selling them anymore.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

I don't think Ive bought more then a starter box rulebook for the past 3 editions, simply because of this. New releases of Rulebooks seem to be a source of revenue, not a way to correct problems with their games. I just don't feel like spending that kind of money for a rulebook thats going to have errata one month later that I will have to d/l print and stick in my "new" rulebook.

Look at the DA codex. That should have been an embarrassment to GW. I don't even think the ink was dry on the books from the printers and GW had up a download pdf for errata.

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated.

But will they be updated? GW could easily not update and just release a new rule book hoping to generate more revenue. The question I have is, if this is just a consolidation of existing rules, do we really need to buy the new rule book?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated. That will be the determining factor on what this Edition will be called. If the digital customers will have to purchase an entirely new book as well, then there is no way that anyone could call this an update. It would be an entirely new edition of the rules.

I also would not be surprised if there were a new template added to the package or changes in the size of existing templates. We can probably expect a package with a 10' template, since that is in the AM codex, just to get those sales from the AM crowd. If they change the size of any of the other templates however, that would do two things: 1. Make all existing templates invalid and cause more sales. 2. Kick any secondary makers of templates right in the teeth by invalidating their current product and production facilities.

Well kick them in the teeth until GW's inevitable "limited release" of the new templates runs out. I ended up getting Vortex Markers and the large blue Apoc Templates from e-Bay just because GW isn't selling them anymore.

Making a seller in a secondary market change their manufacturing process would still be a kick in the teeth.


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 Breotan wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated.

But will they be updated? GW could easily not update and just release a new rule book hoping to generate more revenue. The question I have is, if this is just a consolidation of existing rules, do we really need to buy the new rule book?

That's the crux of the whole statement. If you have to buy a new e-book, then it's a new edition.

 Breotan wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated.

But will they be updated? GW could easily not update and just release a new rule book hoping to generate more revenue. The question I have is, if this is just a consolidation of existing rules, do we really need to buy the new rule book?

This is a very good point. I've not heard much updating occurring in any GW digital products excluding inconsistencies between the digital and print media.

I think at this point hoping that GW will be updating their digital products goes in the same vein as hoping GW will lower prices.

 Idolator wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated. That will be the determining factor on what this Edition will be called. If the digital customers will have to purchase an entirely new book as well, then there is no way that anyone could call this an update. It would be an entirely new edition of the rules.

I also would not be surprised if there were a new template added to the package or changes in the size of existing templates. We can probably expect a package with a 10' template, since that is in the AM codex, just to get those sales from the AM crowd. If they change the size of any of the other templates however, that would do two things: 1. Make all existing templates invalid and cause more sales. 2. Kick any secondary makers of templates right in the teeth by invalidating their current product and production facilities.

Well kick them in the teeth until GW's inevitable "limited release" of the new templates runs out. I ended up getting Vortex Markers and the large blue Apoc Templates from e-Bay just because GW isn't selling them anymore.

Making a seller in a secondary market change their manufacturing process would still be a kick in the teeth.


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 Breotan wrote:

 Idolator wrote:
Since there are e-books and i-books that can be updated.

But will they be updated? GW could easily not update and just release a new rule book hoping to generate more revenue. The question I have is, if this is just a consolidation of existing rules, do we really need to buy the new rule book?

That's the crux of the whole statement. If you have to buy a new e-book, then it's a new edition.

It's less "change the whole process" and more "change the molds they're using". Even if all the new templates were hexagons it's only require a change in molds not everything for them to catch up.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

1.) A flood of Codex and armybook releases including Space Marines has not been enough to keep revenue flat, so we force everyone to buy a new rulebook in the last week of our financial year. Let's not think about what we have to do next year to keep revenue flat.
2.) How dare you not to accept Apocalypse units in standard games! We will teach you! And charge 100$ for this!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
If the information passed to me is correct it's a re-tweaking of the rules on a fairly small scale and a roll-up of FAQs and the rules for the expansions (and likely only the rules and not the statlines) into the main book.

Minimum copy-paste effort with 33% price hike sounds realistic

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

1.) A flood of Codex and armybook releases including Space Marines has not been enough to keep revenue flat, so we force everyone to buy a new rulebook in the last week of our financial year. Let's not think about what we have to do next year to keep revenue flat.
2.) How dare you not to accept Apocalypse units in standard games! We will teach you! And charge 100$ for this!

Could be this, just to increase uptake of large models. And skin us for more money.

Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

 pretre wrote:
Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

Is it a day that ends in "y"?

 loki old fart wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm looking forward to reading GW's rationale behind another rulebook release so soon after 6th was launched...

1.) A flood of Codex and armybook releases including Space Marines has not been enough to keep revenue flat, so we force everyone to buy a new rulebook in the last week of our financial year. Let's not think about what we have to do next year to keep revenue flat.
2.) How dare you not to accept Apocalypse units in standard games! We will teach you! And charge 100$ for this!

Could be this, just to increase uptake of large models. And skin us for more money.

Well and these big models just further devalue the small models.

They become less effective in a game where their firepower is contributes proportionally less to the overall game. You're still paying $40 for that squad of Space Marines, but their worth has diminished.

I don't know, maybe I just don't like big games, but I fail to see how making Apocalypse-size units available in all games of 40k is a good thing.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It's less "change the whole process" and more "change the molds they're using". Even if all the new templates were hexagons it's only require a change in molds not everything for them to catch up.

I never said change the "whole" process.

I wasn't clear - sorry!

I'm looking forward to reading whatever 'editorial' GW puts out telling us the 'why's' and 'wherefores' on this 'new edition'.

It is often amusing to read what they choose to run down, and what they choose to play up...

 pretre wrote:
Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

Still angry that I picked a correct rumour from faeit212 while statistically it is practically impossible?
Or is it just your daily "make a personal insult to Kroothawk" routine?

 Alpharius wrote:
I wasn't clear - sorry!

I'm looking forward to reading whatever 'editorial' GW puts out telling us the 'why's' and 'wherefores' on this 'new edition'.

It is often amusing to read what they choose to run down, and what they choose to play up...

I'm sure it will somehow be 'great news' whatever way they frame it.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

Still angry that I picked a correct rumour from faeit212 while statistically it is practically impossible?
Or is it just your daily "make a personal insult to Kroothawk" routine?

To be fair, though. Who doesn't make daily personal insults to Kroothawk? I know I do.

I don't post them though. I write them on my walls with a sharpie (sometimes poo). Just a few more square feet and my living room is finished. Then on to the foyer.

 Idolator wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

Still angry that I picked a correct rumour from faeit212 while statistically it is practically impossible?
Or is it just your daily "make a personal insult to Kroothawk" routine?

To be fair, though. Who doesn't make daily personal insults to Kroothawk? I know I do.

I don't post them though. I write them on my walls with a sharpie (sometimes poo). Just a few more square feet and my living room is finished. Then on to the foyer.

That made me chuckle.

And is it an insult when describing a pattern of behavior that always has Kroot predicting the most cynical possible reasons for things? I swear sometimes he keeps a list of these things he thinks is up in his free time (most of which are tied with ringing the doom bell for GW) just so he always has a cynical statement handy.

Hey, I didn't predict the name change of Imperial Guard! There are limits!

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hey, I didn't predict the name change of Imperial Guard! There are limits!

That's because the name change is "dumb" not "cynical".

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Idolator wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Or Kroot could just be going off on GW again.

Still angry that I picked a correct rumour from faeit212 while statistically it is practically impossible?
Or is it just your daily "make a personal insult to Kroothawk" routine?

To be fair, though. Who doesn't make daily personal insults to Kroothawk? I know I do.

I don't post them though. I write them on my walls with a sharpie (sometimes poo). Just a few more square feet and my living room is finished. Then on to the foyer.

That made me chuckle.

And is it an insult when describing a pattern of behavior that always has Kroot predicting the most cynical possible reasons for things? I swear sometimes he keeps a list of these things he thinks is up in his free time (most of which are tied with ringing the doom bell for GW) just so he always has a cynical statement handy.

Hang on, did you read that as insulting. It's not. It's just a bit of fun. Who was it insulting to? I was just being goofy and lampooning both sides.

Did not see this posted.

“There is no peace” written in French.

“24 may 2014”. If you were unable to figure this one out yourself… well, it was not all that difficult, really, was it ?

They've also been told to continue selling Dark Vengeance, but once the new BRB drops they have to put a sticker on the box that says the rules inside aren't current.

Any indications DV box will get a reduction in price so?