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Kelly502 wrote: Nothing significant in the new White dwarf, just the two page poster we've already seen, the back says 24 May 2014. I didn't buy it because it's just Wood elves, never trust an Elf...
I hope they have pre-orders up in a couple of weeks so WHEN the rules sell out I'll at least get a copy of the good or the bad... I'll sacrifice my cash and start reading it it as soon as I get it, first thing is army developement, then assault for me.
So anyone have plans if it sucks? Will it be the last straw?
If it's good will there be much rejoicing, will there be a 40K geek wide exclamation "FINALLY!"?
What on earth makes you think the rules will sell out?
Didn't happen in 3rd, didn't happen in 6th (the two edition changes I've been actively playing for since 2nd) did it happen in others?
If it utterly sucks balls, I may have to consider playing something else for another 6 months til 7.5 drops, but if it is just as bad as 6th, I'll make do, as I don't hate the game, it just frustrates me that it could easily be much better.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Their books seem to be selling out lately, most likely lack of production numbers. Or perhaps to push the digital books? I bought a couple of those, and call me old school but I just like having a real book in my mitts.
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Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
I think you're confusing an attempt to create artificial demand by limiting supply with popularity.
The standard, non limited, rulebook will be in plentiful supply come release day, I promise.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I guess we may see something on the 9th. Wasn't the last time we got a new rules it was a 2 week pre-order? Maybe we will get another 2 week pre order.
Who knows, we can have a teaser on Monday or Tuesday to coincide with next weeks WD, if the latest rumour is true.
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azreal13 wrote: I think you're confusing an attempt to create artificial demand by limiting supply with popularity.
The standard, non limited, rulebook will be in plentiful supply come release day, I promise.
What, just like those force field thingies? A lot of people said they were not going to buy it, and still sold out. 1000 of them, gone. So while a lot of people claim they will not buy it, many more will.
And if GW under manufacture the BRB's, then it will cause more demand for it then.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
azreal13 wrote: I think you're confusing an attempt to create artificial demand by limiting supply with popularity.
The standard, non limited, rulebook will be in plentiful supply come release day, I promise.
What, just like those force field thingies? A lot of people said they were not going to buy it, and still sold out. 1000 of them, gone. So while a lot of people claim they will not buy it, many more will.
And if GW under manufacture the BRB's, then it will cause more demand for it then.
They haven't got time to play the artificial demand game if the, quite reasonable, theory that the timing of this is to get some money in the till just before FYE to try and put some blusher on the sow that is this years sales figures.
You do get that 1000 of something is a tiny number for a global market right? That the VSG sold out is not in any way surprising, because if only 1 in 100 people were prepared to spend the money on that overpriced piece of gak, then they'd all go.
There's more than 100000 40K players in the world, I suspect.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Just out of curiosity how does this "everything must remain secretive" thing work in GW? What I mean by that is are they having employees signing some sort of confidentiality contract, or is it more of a casual sort of talk about it and your fired?
Everything I say, barring quotes and researched information, is my personal opinion. Not fact.
"Being into 40k but not the background is like being into porn but not masturbation..." - Kain
"I barely believe my dice are not sentient and conspiring against me." - knas ser
Almost certainly NDAs are part of their conditions of employment.
I've had to sign them for information much less sensitive, and much less critical to the 'marketing' technique than what I would consider GW thinks it's product release schedule would be, they're not difficult to impose, and relatively easy to enforce.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Is there any word on what's happening with psychic powers in this new book?
I had heard a rumor there will now be a psychic phase. Are the psychic powers themselves changing? I can't seem to find a deck of the psychic cards on the US site anymore.
You heard it here first folks: pretre is the NSA of Dakka!
You and I both know that there are far darker forces at work on Dakka than Pretre's intelligence monitoring network....
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Davor wrote: I guess we may see something on the 9th. Wasn't the last time we got a new rules it was a 2 week pre-order? Maybe we will get another 2 week pre order.
Who knows, we can have a teaser on Monday or Tuesday to coincide with next weeks WD, if the latest rumour is true.
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azreal13 wrote: I think you're confusing an attempt to create artificial demand by limiting supply with popularity.
The standard, non limited, rulebook will be in plentiful supply come release day, I promise.
What, just like those force field thingies? A lot of people said they were not going to buy it, and still sold out. 1000 of them, gone. So while a lot of people claim they will not buy it, many more will.
And if GW under manufacture the BRB's, then it will cause more demand for it then.
There will be no shortage of basic rule books. It's a long tail product and they can just warehouse the extras. stores will not have a limit on them. There is no way to compare it to a limited edition item that only had 1000 for sale worldwide. I was limited to 1 of that item per store. I could order in 100 rule books with no problem. Books are also much easier to manufacture than custom resin models.
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Jaceevoke wrote: Just out of curiosity how does this "everything must remain secretive" thing work in GW? What I mean by that is are they having employees signing some sort of confidentiality contract, or is it more of a casual sort of talk about it and your fired?
Nothing casual about it. Talk and your fired. They make sure you don't talk though, but not telling you anything. Retailers got nice terms of sale with some legalese telling us not to post rumors, pictures, etc.
The disimformation policy is heavily enforced. It's stupid as hell, counter productive, and killing sales. But they enforce it.
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....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
The disimformation policy is heavily enforced. It's stupid as hell, counter productive, and killing sales. But they enforce it.
Just curious, is there any other company that acts like this? I thought maybe Apple. (GW seems to follow what they do, high prices for what you get,) I am sure even Apple tells it's consumers what they plan on down the road.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
The disimformation policy is heavily enforced. It's stupid as hell, counter productive, and killing sales. But they enforce it.
Just curious, is there any other company that acts like this? I thought maybe Apple. (GW seems to follow what they do, high prices for what you get,) I am sure even Apple tells it's consumers what they plan on down the road.
None that I know of. Well ehere in Israel maybe the Army industries that produce top-secret weaponry.
Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed.
The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
The disimformation policy is heavily enforced. It's stupid as hell, counter productive, and killing sales. But they enforce it.
Just curious, is there any other company that acts like this? I thought maybe Apple. (GW seems to follow what they do, high prices for what you get,) I am sure even Apple tells it's consumers what they plan on down the road.
The tech industry is a little different, because if you release specs for updated models or introduce revolutionary new product lines too soon, one of your large competitors has the capacity to change their own plans and release something a bit better speced the week before your planned launch. Even then, they aren't this secretive.
Wakshaani wrote: Heck, I'll do you one better. Took a half hour out of my day, grabbed the Space Marine codex, and put together a 500 point generic force for this kind of article. It would have been bette rto go with more tacticals and less non-tacs at this level, but I'm building a GW-style force here that showcases several different models rather than maximize efficiency, so, you get a little of everything. Let's see, cut-n-paste...
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Ultramarines at 500.
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I like this a lot. Good job! I would like to see GW put out this kind of starter army for every codex.
Thank you! And I agree. Without going fo rthe "One of everything" approach, I'd personally replace the Dread with another Tac unit and the save points would upgrade the Devs to a second missile launcher, the assaults to get a flamer, and Tac Squad C would probably get a close-combat kit (sarge with pistol and CCW, one marine with flamer) as well. But I wanted it to look like a GW force, so, the dread went in.
I'd be happy to do more of these 500 point "Sample platters" for other forces if I thought that there was an interest. They're great to keep around for new players.
Heck, were I GW, I'd go so far as to sell this kind of "Starter army" at a decent cost (Say, 10% off buying it individually) and include a few sheets of paper with it ... how to build the models (obviously) but also point costs and some rules, like a micro-Codex. It'd be, like, one page, or maybe one page back and front, but it'd get the job done. The current battle boxes are often *close* to this, but usually lack an important art, like an HQ. Giving a small "chunk" of 500 points in a box, all legal and ready to go, can really help a company out. See also: Privateer Press starter boxes of Warcaster + Jacks.
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Just for the record, even if it might be confusing preoder date with release date:
anonymous source on Faeit 212
anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:"There will be a new, re-tooled ruleset for 40K, which will be announced in next week's White Dwarf, and the new book will be in stores on May 24th."
Kroothawk wrote: Just for the record, even if it might be confusing preoder date with release date:
anonymous source on Faeit 212
anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:"There will be a new, re-tooled ruleset for 40K, which will be announced in next week's White Dwarf, and the new book will be in stores on May 24th."
Announced next week, preorder 17th, released 24th, Orks preorder 31st, released the following week?
I've read this before.
Trying to find the link for you, but it might have been removed.
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
After seeing that logo with the lettering, I fully expect seeing a new logo.
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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