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This is now making me think it's going to be IG vs Orks.

I hope not.

Puscifer wrote:
This is now making me think it's going to be IG vs Orks.

I hope not.

Every starter set has had marines in it. And it is that way for a reason.

new players buy it, but with marines in it , so do established players, just to get the models. Marines vastly outsell everything else in the game, that hasn't changed.

The box isnt likely to either, it will have marines in it. Unless they plan on having two concurrent boxes, by keeping the current marine heavy one as well, which also seems unlikely.

It would be interesting to find out who came out with the 'blanket silence' policy, and the reasons behind it. I always feel like I'm looking through some kind of logic-prism at some of GW's decisions, but maybe if I took enough mind-altering drugs and spent a year in a submarine under the polar ice caps then it might suddenly snap into place.

Really, I think anyone studying psychology would have an absolute field day going into the head office and seeing some of the personalities at work.

Puscifer wrote:
After seeing that logo with the lettering, I fully expect seeing a new logo.

I wonder if it will be something copyrightable? The one now (the classic 40k symbol) is obviously just a variation of the Roman Aquila, I could see it being changed into something more distinctive and therefore easier to police.

Given GW's model of releasing codecies and then rules tweaks that allow codecies released for previous editions, are we expecting more of the same? Another new "edition" that is still technically compatible with a codex released in 1998 (if you wanted to use it)?

In order to maximise the number of marines in the new box it will be Ultramarines vs Alpha Legion.

Except the Ultramarines will be revealed to also be Alpha Legion, in disguise. This will be the start of a new strategy to replace all of the model ranges with space marines.

You heard it hear first

 Pacific wrote:
It would be interesting to find out who came out with the 'blanket silence' policy, and the reasons behind it. I always feel like I'm looking through some kind of logic-prism at some of GW's decisions, but maybe if I took enough mind-altering drugs and spent a year in a submarine under the polar ice caps then it might suddenly snap into place.

Really, I think anyone studying psychology would have an absolute field day going into the head office and seeing some of the personalities at work.

I recall the origins were in the LOTR NDAs, so they wouldn't leak any movie-related stuff before the movies came out. I guess they don't have a proper marketing/community director at GW, or at least no-one who is in touch with digital media and internet communities, so no-one has been questioning the decision when it comes to their own IP.

It's funny that FW does advert the WIP stuff, though - completely different style of advertising across the hallway

 frozenwastes wrote:
Given GW's model of releasing codecies and then rules tweaks that allow codecies released for previous editions, are we expecting more of the same? Another new "edition" that is still technically compatible with a codex released in 1998 (if you wanted to use it)?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm expecting.

Incidentally, I was reading through the 3rd edition ork codex the other day and not only are most of the rules usable, I think it actually wouldn't be all that uncompetitive. The boys are overpriced, but the sheer volume of rokkits and burnas you can get should make up for a lot.

 Pacific wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
After seeing that logo with the lettering, I fully expect seeing a new logo.

I wonder if it will be something copyrightable? The one now (the classic 40k symbol) is obviously just a variation of the Roman Aquila, I could see it being changed into something more distinctive and therefore easier to police.

Maybe a bit tinfoil hat, but I wonder if this new edition isn't purely a trademark thing. It's coming hot off the heels of the "Astra Militarum" release, and we all know Space Marines are usually first up after a new edition comes out, so maybe the new edition is an attempt to try and come up with new, trademarked terms for things in the main rules, new symbols/logos and all that, with "Adeptus Astartes" coming out a few months after, and "Spehsuss Orkus" soon to follow, etc.

In any case I'm fairly certain they aren't doing it because 6th edition is unpopular, or otherwise for our benefit.

If you follow and believe what 40K Radio has said it is mainly a repackage. They sold a bunch of books for rules and the stronghold and escalation and now will repackage it so we can all buy new books. Simply another cash grab.

 Perfect Organism wrote:

Yes, that's exactly what I'm expecting.

Incidentally, I was reading through the 3rd edition ork codex the other day and not only are most of the rules usable, I think it actually wouldn't be all that uncompetitive. The boys are overpriced, but the sheer volume of rokkits and burnas you can get should make up for a lot.

A friend of mine occasionally plays with his Eye of Terror LATD army. Works fine.

I think the trade mark thing may actually be what's going on. This relaunch could be where we see the entirety of GW's new army names all laid out in one place.

I will have a new found respect for 40k if the new starter set doesn't include Space Marines.

If GW stops using the term 'space marine', I'll consider the new edition worth it just for that. If they manage to change 'space wolves' into something even slightly dignified, I'll be overjoyed.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
If they manage to change 'space wolves' into something even slightly dignified, I'll be overjoyed.

Like Spaca Wolfum?

 Perfect Organism wrote:
If GW stops using the term 'space marine', I'll consider the new edition worth it just for that. If they manage to change 'space wolves' into something even slightly dignified, I'll be overjoyed.

Space Wolves, Space Sharks etc can all be easily explained away as Imperial Guard* slang for the actual legion/chapters, not what they call themselves. GW can introduce 'proper' Astartes names any time they like, Lupine Galacticus for example, or Shrouded Angelicus, or Blanched Scarified, or the Fisticus Metalicus.

*Sorry, I meant Astra Militarum slang...



As for dignified... giant space vikings don't deserve dignified.

Spatium Lupus

Cosma lupusius. Oh wait, you wanted *more* dignified

Mongrel dogs has a nice ring to it for the fleabitten jackasses of the 41st century.

Woofy bark bark and friends.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I will have a new found respect for 40k if the new starter set doesn't include Space Marines.

The respect bar would only incrementally raise for me by microns.

If GW actually started talking to the community, I'd die of Expectation Level Raising Syndrome.

Or just use "the rout" that's leaps better than "space wolves"

Lupus is a fairly unpleasant disease affecting the joints and skin.

Let's all think of "High Gothic' names for Space Marien chapters that actually mean distressing medical conditions.

Vlka Fenryka. The name you are all searching for is Vlka Fenryka, as of Prospero Burns that is what the Wolves call themselves while laughing at people who call them Space Wolves.

And personally I'd love to see Codex: Vlka Fenryka with lightning claws and talismans instead of wolf claws and wolf talismans and wolf this and wold that...

It would be so awesome if the Wolf in Space Wolf became more subtle, rarely ever actually using the word "wolf" in the entire codex, instead of bashing you over the head with Wolfy Wolf of Wolfness.

I don't really mind Grey Hunters, Blood Claws, Long Fangs and Wolf Guard, but Wolf Guard should be the only ones with "Wolf" in their name I think...

I suppose Wolf Guard could become Hearth Guard or some such, if it doesn't sound too dwarvish.

I wonder if they will be re-named the Astra Lupines

Officio Howlius Lupus Milistrartes Woofwoofus

Astral Waelwulfas: Waelwulas is an old saxon term used for viking, commonly translated as Slaughter wolves

Imperial Amat or Amat Imperium for Imperial Fists,
Tractus Lupos for Space Wolves
Tenebrarum Angeli for Dark Angels
Sanguinem Angeli for Blood Angels
Salamandra for salamanders
Album Cicatrices for White Scars
Ultramarines for Ultramarines
Manibus Ferreis for Iron Hands
Custodi Corvus for Raven Guard,
Courtesy of google translator english to latin

We are going off-topic.

Any more word on what we may expect on or around the 24th May?

 fishy bob wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
If they manage to change 'space wolves' into something even slightly dignified, I'll be overjoyed.

Like Spaca Wolfum?

More like Astra Lupae

 Squidbot wrote:
Woofy bark bark and friends.

We're not going to top this.

 dantay_xv wrote:

Salamandra for salamanders

That would be to big of a change

 jonolikespie wrote:
Vlka Fenryka. The name you are all searching for is Vlka Fenryka, as of Prospero Burns that is what the Wolves call themselves while laughing at people who call them Space Wolves.

And personally I'd love to see Codex: Vlka Fenryka with lightning claws and talismans instead of wolf claws and wolf talismans and wolf this and wold that...

^^^^^^ THIS! ^^^^^^^
EOM