kronk wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:
Could go either way. More interesting is the mention of a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 VPs.

I have a feeling the 4 VP is from an amalgamation of things that result in it being worth that much at the time not in general.

It could be worth 3 easily under 6th rules,

Slay The Warlord
Purge The Alien
Warlord Trait that awards bonus VPs for killing other warlord

All you have to find is one more from the Strategy Cards and there your answer.

Or First Blood.

Riptides aren't Warlords though.

They might be in Unbound lists? Who knows, really?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Spoiler:

So no convo about breaking up the Bros4Lyfe Marines/Tau?

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I hope the rule is something like "for every full 50 points in a units cost it is worth 1 VP when destroyed fully. Units that cost less than 50 points award 1 VP when fully destroyed. "

Or something similar. And only for purge the alien.

This would be interesting. that way everyone has basically the same amount of VPs instead of some of the insanely lopsided VP totals in games against deathstars. I don't see why we can't go back to the 3rd (4th maybe? my memory fails me) edition way of doing the Purge the Alien equivalent: When you destroy a model or unit you score points equal to that model or unit's cost. When you bring a unit below half strength or half of its total wounds, you get half as many points as that unit or model cost. Simple enough.

 infinite_array wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

Spoiler:

So no convo about breaking up the Bros4Lyfe Marines/Tau?

Librarian: "I'm sorry, Tau. But... There's someone else."

Ethereal: "What? No! Who? Who could it be?"

*Bloodthirster steps out from the shadows*

"Sup, bro?"

 MWHistorian wrote:
Seeing as how this is a rumor thread, my conversation has been about the rumors. "not having the new rulebook" is a stupid argument because this whole thread is about...you guessed it, the rumors. I'm not doing a hive mind negativism. I was white knighting GW until very recently. (though I always criticized the chaos dex because it was flat and boring with some unplayable units.) I love 40k and have been playing since RT times. I'm not frothing at the mouth angry and I'm not irrational. If you can't see my argument for anything more than whining or "GW hatin'" then you probably don't need to read the rest because you won't see anything except what you want to see. But if you're interested in learning why I think the way I do, then please read on.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I know an actual former 'Eavy Metal painter (she's did the Golden Daemon entry in the duel category a few years ago with the Seraphim booting the Dark Eldar Wych in the head) and from what I've heard the painting team is pretty much all in house.

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 reds8n wrote:
One would suggest that further discussion with regards to this issue would be better off conducted through Pms if only to avoid cluttering the thread.

If claims don't work out..well....... people'll remember.



Mail Orders in GW stores -- in the UK anyway -- appear to be coming with laminated postcards matching the poster designs seen earlier.

There's one with the chaos marine codex and a " There is only war" heading. Which is labelled 4 of 4.

 gorgon wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Seeing as how this is a rumor thread, my conversation has been about the rumors. "not having the new rulebook" is a stupid argument because this whole thread is about...you guessed it, the rumors. I'm not doing a hive mind negativism. I was white knighting GW until very recently. (though I always criticized the chaos dex because it was flat and boring with some unplayable units.) I love 40k and have been playing since RT times. I'm not frothing at the mouth angry and I'm not irrational. If you can't see my argument for anything more than whining or "GW hatin'" then you probably don't need to read the rest because you won't see anything except what you want to see. But if you're interested in learning why I think the way I do, then please read on.

I can't really speak for everyone else, but I think you (and others who feel similarly in this thread) misunderstand something.

I comprehend your argument and feelings. I just don't agree with most your premises, and think they're full of guesses, inventions, and extrapolations based on very sketchy and incomplete information.

Yes, a rumor thread is naturally going to be full of speculation. But including that *large* post, you've probably typed several times more words than exist in the WD article. So I humbly suggest that perhaps the depth to which you're thinking about this has gotten a little silly compared to the information we genuinely have at this time.

 mikhaila wrote:
I just got off the phone with my GW rep. No real new info, but he did state "pre-orders on the 17th and product on the 24th".

 mikhaila wrote:
I just got off the phone with my GW rep. No real new info, but he did state "pre-orders on the 17th and product on the 24th".

 Souleater wrote:
Are we going to have to wait another month for the new starter set?

 Souleater wrote:
Are we going to have to wait another month for the new starter set?
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40K Radio wrote:
Some updates on 7th edition: 1) It will purely be a book release. 2) It could be released as early as May.

On the Chaos Space Marine Releases. 1) Look for the stuff to be released beginning of summer. 2) Crimson Slaughter(CSM in the DV starter) might receive a Supplement as well.

 mikhaila wrote:
I just got off the phone with my GW rep. No real new info, but he did state "pre-orders on the 17th and product on the 24th".

 yakface wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:
I just got off the phone with my GW rep. No real new info, but he did state "pre-orders on the 17th and product on the 24th".

Thanks! I've updated the thread title and the OP to reflect this info.


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I also added the additional text from WD (about a Hive Tyrant being worth 4 Victory Points, etc) into the OP as well, since the only image of that WD page had to be removed (as it was hosted here on Dakka, which is not allowed).

So if you missed that image, you can now re-read a text version of it in the OP.

 Eldarain wrote:
"Worth a possible four victory points" That sounds like some randomization was in play especially late in the game when First Blood should already be taken

Mission specific or new Slay the Warlord?

 WarlordRob117 wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

Spoiler:

Seeing as how this is a rumor thread, my conversation has been about the rumors. "not having the new rulebook" is a stupid argument because this whole thread is about...you guessed it, the rumors. I'm not doing a hive mind negativism. I was white knighting GW until very recently. (though I always criticized the chaos dex because it was flat and boring with some unplayable units.) I love 40k and have been playing since RT times. I'm not frothing at the mouth angry and I'm not irrational. If you can't see my argument for anything more than whining or "GW hatin'" then you probably don't need to read the rest because you won't see anything except what you want to see. But if you're interested in learning why I think the way I do, then please read on.

So, assuming the rumors are true and that I can go for a pickup game and the guy there has his all heldrake army and I have my SOB tac army, then this edition will not be fun for me and I will move on to other games.

The one positive note that I see is that it'll separate the types of players that I don't like from the ones that I do enjoy playing against. Chances are, the player with his riptide army (And if you think for a second there won't be people out there with those, you're delusional.) isn't the kind of player I'd want to play against anyways. So, when I go to my store for a game, I can see the unbound players and set them aside. I frankly don't care what their armies are, I have no desire to play against them.

Here's why.

It was quite a few pages back but someone basically made the argument: "It doesn't matter if someone brought in an all Riptide army because you can just counter that with an all Devastator army!" There's a few things wrong with that. It means then that the Riptide player won't have fun because the game is one sided and if that's how all games will be then it's guaranteed that one or both players will not have fun. That's not a good game.

Second. It means that you either have to tailor each game or risk being swept off the board by the end of turn two. Not fun.

Third. This also means that you'll have to buy a lot more models of certain kinds to beat that riptide list. I don't know about you but I don't have a whole army of devastators lying around. If its heldrake spam, I'll have to buy a gak ton of AA which I currently don't have (And Sisters STILL don't have access to.) So I have to know ahead of time what the opponent is playing, go out and buy a crap load of new stuff (the hobby) and then win against them without trying. Or, bring my normal army and face the heldrake army and get wiped off the board.

As as been mentioned before, these are black and white examples that won't come up much but they aren't unrealistic and when they do occur they're not fun unless you like winning without a challenge in which case I suggest going back to picking on your little brother.

The problem is the grey areas where the guy shows up with his unbound army that isn't riptide spam that he thinks is fair and fluffy. An unbound army by nature is going to be unbalanced which means the chances of total loss or total victory have increased. Which for me means the chances of a less fun game have increased. If you like the idea of either winning totally or being completely steam rolled, then perhaps 7th ed is indeed for you. Different strokes for different folks.

So, automatically I won't be playing against unbound armies. Which means that If I play against someone with a bound army, chances are they have at least a desire for a balanced game where the game isn't decided before the first dice roll. So my player pool has shrunk but the quality of players has gone up within that given player pool.
I'm not a tournament player and have never wanted to be. What I do want is a fair game where both players have a chance of winning.

Do I have reason to be optimistic? Not really. At most it seems the latest GW books have been sideways moves with a few backwards ones. (Nids) The IG dex was pretty good, but they took away too many units including many characters for no reason. There's a lot of ctrl+C, ctrl+P going on at the GW headquarters so I don't expect a lot of originality with 7th. I expect a lot of the same old fluff, art and photos as before, only with a higher price tag. Assuming the rumored $100 for the book is true, I'm not getting it. It's not that I can afford it or that its a waste of money or whatever, I won't get it because I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to buy expensive books every two years. I just bought the warmachine book for $35 and it's lasted longer than two years.

Many of the codices have been criticized as bland and boring lately. So, arbitrary changes, copy and paste, not addressing serious play issues, and boring books does not inspire me to assume that this 7th is going to be great. I'd put it on the side of the "this edition is going to be great" for them to justify their optimism, but maybe such things are too subjective to do so. For me, I see no reason to be optimistic. If you thought the Nid dex was a fantastic work of originality, depth, fun and fluffy rules and competitiveness, then yes, you have ample reason to be optimistic about 7th.

On a personal note, GW refuses to support the main army I play, Sisters of Battle. They have a dex but it's digital only with no new units added and the figures being a decade old and very expensive. So that's one more nail in the coffin for me. AA would have been nice or maybe if they hadn't arbitrarily nerfed the two weakest units in the army to the point of uselessness I'd have higher hope. Such moronic moves show me that GW doesn't actually play their own game or they just don't care. (There are many more examples but I won't bother because most people know the many offenders already.)

So, again, going off the rumors because that's all we have because GW takes a Soviet Iron Curtain approach to PR, I don't believe this edition is going to be a step up for me. I'll keep playing but I'll probably be switching over to Warmachine for the time being. I still love 40k, but GW is ruining it. (I haven't even gotten into their shady and often counter-productive business practices.) I hope the meta at my local store won't change too badly because I'll still want to bring my SOB or IF armies in for a fight, but the chances of that fight being good have dropped.
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TL DR (try not to clog things up with too many real world examples boss)

The hopeful limitation still falls to psychic ability... this has been a game balancer for fantasy in that outrageous spell casters launch spells that could potentially pull the battle to insane levels of comedy in dice rolling... ALAS, the opponent is able to block my psychic ability... oops... it'll be curious to see if this mechanic carries over... I love seeing those 6's rolled while playing dwarves, it would be no different in 40K lol

clively wrote:
Are those new models pictured to the left of the text?

I don't remember seeing a staff with a skull and down turned horns or even that SM's back pack.