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Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Well if you think about it the orks and BA rumor might be true. We all know 8th is only 2 years or less out and they need some trick up their sleeve to market it.

Are you kidding? It's only going to be a year! Haven't you listened to the internet?!

A year!? Remeber, this is the "evil" GW. I expect a new edition in 6 months!

Well it's all about building success. If two years sells well, then why not one?

Well one year sold well I bet they'd love six months!

Announcing the new Warhammer 40k weekly for $115 a week get the latest edition of 40k!

Wow! You're totally right! Think of all the money they'll make! I'm sure it's totally sustainable for the long run! And just think: no need for FAQs!

 gorgon wrote:
I like the 3 book format...it's a nice 2nd edition touch. And functionally speaking, the 200 page rulebook means that I'll probably just lug that around instead of shelling out for the mini-rulebook down the road.

I'm a dead tree fan, but I'm really leaning towards the interactive digi edition for this, purely based on how atrocious the layout and cross referencing is in the current book. I'm fed up with wanting to confirm a specific rule interaction and having to look at three different sections, or not being able to find a rule because it has been indexed under a different term than the one I'm looking for.

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

I really like the "no consolidation" into a new combat rumor killing rumor. *Happy face*

 azreal13 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I like the 3 book format...it's a nice 2nd edition touch. And functionally speaking, the 200 page rulebook means that I'll probably just lug that around instead of shelling out for the mini-rulebook down the road.

I'm a dead tree fan, but I'm really leaning towards the interactive digi edition for this, purely based on how atrocious the layout and cross referencing is in the current book. I'm fed up with wanting to confirm a specific rule interaction and having to look at three different sections, or not being able to find a rule because it has been indexed under a different term than the one I'm looking for.

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

I really like the interactive format, but my kids and wife have the iPad 99.9% of the time. And I'm not buying another tablet for the cost of multiple gaming books just to hold gaming books. Otherwise, yeah, it'd be a good option.

 -DE- wrote:

cromagz wrote:
more than three decades is technically correct if you think of it as existing in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s ie it has existed for four decades, although not 30 years

Going by this logic, 40K has existed for a millennium. Has it?

Over two millenia.

 gorgon wrote:


I really like the interactive format, but my kids and wife have the iPad 99.9% of the time. And I'm not buying another tablet for the cost of multiple gaming books just to hold gaming books. Otherwise, yeah, it'd be a good option.

If Android Interactive was a bloody option...

 azreal13 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I like the 3 book format...it's a nice 2nd edition touch. And functionally speaking, the 200 page rulebook means that I'll probably just lug that around instead of shelling out for the mini-rulebook down the road.

I'm a dead tree fan, but I'm really leaning towards the interactive digi edition for this, purely based on how atrocious the layout and cross referencing is in the current book. I'm fed up with wanting to confirm a specific rule interaction and having to look at three different sections, or not being able to find a rule because it has been indexed under a different term than the one I'm looking for.

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

Plus they auto update. So all my dexes on my iPad will get the massive FAQ fix.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DIAxx9Ez-wY/U3Hz_24A7yI/AAAAAAAAEEE/5Plk421PZ9o/s1600/10259818_10152490851994954_7364505389870471348_n.jpg

They're claiming some changes due to feedback... I really hope so.

Did that picture about the shooting phase contain any relevant/interesting information?

I wonder how little Timmy's mom is going to feel about shelling out $90 for the rules...

Little Timmy's mom will take him to the video game store because a brand new game is much cheaper.

 Lobukia wrote:
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They're claiming some changes due to feedback... I really hope so.

Given the rumors regarding the new allies matrix i'd say that has a lot to do with it. No more Tau/Eldar or Tau/Space marines Battle Brother shenanigans, if we're to believe the rumor dump from yesterday.

I think the psychic phase needing 4+'s to cast spells is probably pretty legit - and it makes psychic powers overall more difficult to cast, which is probably a good thing. Now instead of near-guaranteed buffs, the options must be carefully weighed when deciding which powers to use, as well as the opponent knowing which powers need blocked the most.

As far as Shadow in the Warp goes for tyranids - lowering leadership by 3 is still a pretty good static ability, even if it would no longer affect psychic powers. Also if the deny the witch rumors are true (6+ for everyone, but psykers get bonuses to the dice based on their mastery level) then tyranids are still going to be a very difficult army to cast powers around with all the hive tyrants being ML2 or 3 (swarmlord) along with zoanthropes at ML2.

I'm eager to read more, I can't wait for some Hi-Def scans of the WD...or my own copy in a day or two.

darkbarb wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


I really like the interactive format, but my kids and wife have the iPad 99.9% of the time. And I'm not buying another tablet for the cost of multiple gaming books just to hold gaming books. Otherwise, yeah, it'd be a good option.

If Android Interactive was a bloody option...

It would be an option if GW could be bothered to dedicate the time and resources to it. But they can't. They just can't be bothered.

 GuardStrider wrote:
I am kind of surprised they didn't release a new set to get some extra money from the mini collectors.

That won't drop until next fiscal year and won't help this years bottom line.

The fact that they don't have a new set of models to run a new starter set is another indicator that this was a rush to get a new rule book out to affect sales and not a thought out release. I'm wondering how many(if any) differences there will be to the fluff and painting sections compared to 6th ed. It would be very easy to separate the three sections into different bindings and only make changes to the rules portion.

 agnosto wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Clearly no-one will buy the current 6th edition Dark VEngeance now so GW will probably recall them and change the rule book. It would be a smart move to have the revised version on sale from the 24th May.

The smart thing would be to send a new mini rulebook for all non-sold boxes to GW and FLGSs, less shipping and manpower.

That indeed would be easier. Just hand the customer the box and a book. Unless they want to recycle the old books, which may have some accounting value.

 Idolator wrote:

 GuardStrider wrote:
I am kind of surprised they didn't release a new set to get some extra money from the mini collectors.

That won't drop until next fiscal year and won't help this years bottom line.

The fact that they don't have a new set of models to run a new starter set is another indicator that this was a rush to get a new rule book out to affect sales and not a thought out release. I'm wondering how many(if any) differences there will be to the fluff and painting sections compared to 6th ed. It would be very easy to separate the three sections into different bindings and only make changes to the rules portion.

But the rules were "Gently Massaged" due to "gamer feedback" over "Thousands of games"!

That's love, right there.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Well if you think about it the orks and BA rumor might be true. We all know 8th is only 2 years or less out and they need some trick up their sleeve to market it.

Are you kidding? It's only going to be a year! Haven't you listened to the internet?!

A year!? Remeber, this is the "evil" GW. I expect a new edition in 6 months!

Well it's all about building success. If two years sells well, then why not one?

Well one year sold well I bet they'd love six months!

Announcing the new Warhammer 40k weekly for $115 a week get the latest edition of 40k!

Wow! You're totally right! Think of all the money they'll make! I'm sure it's totally sustainable for the long run! And just think: no need for FAQs!

Hang on.. They could throw in a daily FAQ update at an additional subscription fee. ...Then price up points in codices incorrectly, so that they need the FAQ to play properly!

BAHAHA!!

$12 a day premium FAQ membership.

 azreal13 wrote:

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

To be fair the the e-book versions are cheaper and the ipad enhanced versions do add allot of content for the same price. Personally I think it is worth it.

 Mij'aan wrote:

darkbarb wrote:

 gorgon wrote:


I really like the interactive format, but my kids and wife have the iPad 99.9% of the time. And I'm not buying another tablet for the cost of multiple gaming books just to hold gaming books. Otherwise, yeah, it'd be a good option.

If Android Interactive was a bloody option...

It would be an option if GW could be bothered to dedicate the time and resources to it. But they can't. They just can't be bothered.

Android can be a monumental PITA to create for as it is so fragmented. I'm not surprised they don't. If something works on an iPhone 5 it will also work on an iPad 2. If something works ona Google Nexus there is no garentee it will work on a Saumsung S5. On top of that Apple make interactive books easy (And GW have won awards for theirs). Android makes it very hard. GW obviously don't think there is money in it, otherwise they would do it.

GorillaWarfare wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
>cursed earth power
>give daemons a STACKING +1 invuln

Mother of all things unholy! GW has every learning disorder on the planet under one roof, don't they?

We will see. Hopefully there is a rule that caps invul saves at 3+. That's reasonable, right?

Well it screws Dark Eldar shadowfields for no apparent reasons - I thought it was the Battle Brothers and re-rolls that were the problem?

 Lobukia wrote:
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They're claiming some changes due to feedback... I really hope so.

Feedback from the their bosses on new ways to sell more models!

But really, thanks for the link.

At least GW is hyping a release. Unheard of.

Wait, have they not hyped the previous editions?

 azreal13 wrote:

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

I've tried to find the article, but I can't - but anyways I read a good piece on eBook pricing last year. The census from the publishing industry is "Well the book was still written and the author still needs paying. As do we"

I agree with them. Sure, they're not printing and binding but we're paying for the convenience of having all this lovely content immediately to hand. And if it's supported with updates after purchase - BONUS!

Also, odddly enough, you pay VAT on Ebooks but not on 'real'books.

I was so concerned over the summoning Daemons spell, that I missed the inv save buff.

Cuz Tzeentch Daemons needed yet another buff.

I only hope that the Santic powers are as good.

 monders wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

"Well the book was still written and the author still needs paying. As do we"

Try to ask them how much of the actual price goes to the author

Charging the same price for digital content as for the printed version is a plain rip-off as the publisher saves a LOT of money whereas you, as a customer, get the same product.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
As far as Shadow in the Warp goes for tyranids - lowering leadership by 3 is still a pretty good static ability, even if it would no longer affect psychic powers. Also if the deny the witch rumors are true (6+ for everyone, but psykers get bonuses to the dice based on their mastery level) then tyranids are still going to be a very difficult army to cast powers around with all the hive tyrants being ML2 or 3 (swarmlord) along with zoanthropes at ML2.

Don't forget Tervigons and Broodlords!

Tervigons and Brooodlords are ML1

One thing I have to ask on a purely fluff basis...

With this edition, are GW playing on the fact that Daemon and Chaos incursions are happening more often?

 monders wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

I do feel charging the same amount for these as the physical versions is a little questionable (assuming they do) but I think the added utility may be enough to convince me (plus I can get it on release day from my sofa)

I've tried to find the article, but I can't - but anyways I read a good piece on eBook pricing last year. The census from the publishing industry is "Well the book was still written and the author still needs paying. As do we"

I agree with them. Sure, they're not printing and binding but we're paying for the convenience of having all this lovely content immediately to hand. And if it's supported with updates after purchase - BONUS!

Also, odddly enough, you pay VAT on Ebooks but not on 'real'books.

You pay VAT on everything GW does, it's built into their prices.

Puscifer wrote:
One thing I have to ask on a purely fluff basis...

With this edition, are GW playing on the fact that Daemon and Chaos incursions are happening more often?

GW are playing on the fact they want to sell more Daemon models and codexes. Fluff is pretty incidental.

Well looking over the last 20-50 pages I had a few thoughts.

Unbound: Yes for Fluffy Players this will be great.
Now you can now Run Space Marine Companies properly.
>1st Company all Terminators or Sternguard/Vanguard
>8th Company all Assault Squads
>9th Company all Devastators
>All Dreadnaught Armies
>Space Marine Armored Companies

Space Wolves:
>Wolf Guard Army without needing to take Logan
>Thunderwolf/Fenrisian Wolf army without having to take Canis
>All Biker Army [Wolf Guard on bikes/Swiftclaws]

Imperial Guard
>All Tank Armies
>All Rough Rider Armies


Grey Knights
>All Paladin Armies without Draigo
>All Purifier Armies without Crowe

Yes I know there are those out there who will take the most broken Cheese Filled WAAC List possible, but I don’t think there are that many out there as people think.

Psyker Powers:
Personally my reason for not liking them have nothing to do with their Power OP or Not. For me it is the fact that unless I am missing something, Psykers are going to loose all of their personality.

Jumping Editions just because you don’t like the Rules Changes:
All I see is what happened when 4th edition DnD came out. We had one player quit because when he tried to convert one of his old Characters from 3.5 into 4th it could no longer inflict 100+ points of damage a round, so “4th Edition Sucks” and quit before playing the 1st game.

6th Edition created WAAC Broken Units more than any other game out there:
>BattleTech: Companies only armed with Clan PPCs, Gauss Cannons and Autocannon/20s and all have Targeting Computers. Have you ever seen a Company on Company Game take only 35 min to play.

 Lansirill wrote:

Chrysis wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
So no unbound vs battle forged it looks like. Missed that on my first skim through the screen caps. That makes objective secured a little redundant unless they're changing the scoring system after all. That could be nice actually. Troops are great at scoring, but you can choose to mostly ignore them and use other units to score... I'd take it out on a second date.

You did miss it. Read the top line of the screen cap that details unbound armies. Specifically the bold section. "Both players need not use the same method."

Looking at it I only see "both players need ... use the same method." So I suppose nothing is really clear, since those ellipses could be either not or to. Either that, or I'm just not able to see the entire image for some reason.

The dakka embedding is doing some odd clipping. Open the image up in a new tab/window/program. Your ... Is the word not. Both players need not use the same method.