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Here's hoping for plastic grotesques sometime soon because I love the models but hate finecast.

 pretre wrote:
100 Codexes? Have there even been a 100 codexes? I'm pretty sure there haven't.

Apparently if you count all the supplements, add-ons and forgeworld, you can get over 100.

 pretre wrote:
100 Codexes? Have there even been a 100 codexes? I'm pretty sure there haven't.

multiple editions, dating back from second (this also includes the rule books, codex's that i've made; which there are only seven; and chapter approved books as well)

Wiki Says 69 Codex's not counting supplements since 2nd Ed

I just checked the codex and it is 12. (3rd edition)

http://www.lski.org/pictures/tabletopgaming/gw/40k/4th%20Edition/ArmyCodexs/WarHammer%2040K%20%5Bcodex%5D%20Dark%20Eldar.pdf

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Oh well I will just continue to use my wyches for painting comps instead lol.


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 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
hm, all of this seems okay. but i think i'll be staying away from DE until they get their old lance rules back (I.E. all armor above 11 counts as 11)

When did lance ever do that?

DE codex 3rd edition and the 3.5 edition

Yeah, I think CthuluIsSpy, myself and Red Corsair have your number. You're thinking of 12.

it was 11, i'll post a pic in a minute

Gotta find that sharpie first

not even, i just got to find where i put it. having over 100 codex's is a bit of a pain when trying to find stuff

When you do find your codex, it's on page 14, middle column. That's the original 3rd ed, by the way, not the revamp.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Wiki Says 69 Codex's not counting supplements since 2nd Ed

Is that counting WD codexes?

As hilarious as this tangent has been....

Includes SoB, Witch Hunter and Blood Angel white dwarf updates, but the page I'm on doesnt seem to cover things like feral orks, kroot mercs, deathwatch etc

Edit: Sorry, Offtopic. I've stopped now

So apparently lameahns are 10 ppm and have poison 2+ blades and up to 12 can be taken.... More slaps in the faces of wych folk

I look forward to how many other unit entries just flat out invalidate them now.

Anyway to make Mandrakes Troops choices?

Trip lance ravagers confirmed at 125ppm....icky.


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 Oaka wrote:
Anyway to make Mandrakes Troops choices?

Doubtful, nothing swings the FOC now.

 Oaka wrote:
Anyway to make Mandrakes Troops choices?

No but if you're holding an objective with them they're hard to shoot off it

Has the guy answering questions mentioned any specifics on Reavers? Especially regarding how many caltrops, how many points etc?

 pretre wrote:
I just checked the codex and it is 12. (3rd edition)

http://www.lski.org/pictures/tabletopgaming/gw/40k/4th%20Edition/ArmyCodexs/WarHammer%2040K%20%5Bcodex%5D%20Dark%20Eldar.pdf

Looking through that is quite nostalgic. They were my first army in 40k. I'm liking the sound of some of the newest revelations too. wouldn't mind owning some of those Cephalyx to run double duty.

So to recap:

Wyches some how managed to get worse while remaining at the same points level.

Grotbomb is the new black.

Eldar can now actually field things like banshees and harlequins w/out getting laughed off the board.
- Eldar can now also Beta strike you off the board


Anything else worth mentioning?

Raiders and Venoms confirmed as FA. Have fun Wraithguard/WBlades/Harlies/Banshees/Scorps/etc.

So all in all, this release buffed Craftworld Eldars? Great...

 Dash2021 wrote:
So to recap:

Wyches some how managed to get worse while remaining at the same points level.

Grotbomb is the new black.

Eldar can now actually field things like banshees and harlequins w/out getting laughed off the board.
- Eldar can now also Beta strike you off the board


Anything else worth mentioning?

Wyches are better now because they get FNP much more easily and combat drugs are slightly more useful. They're just no longer the best vehicle-killers in 40k which they never should have been. Their Hekatrix can still get HW grenades though...

Reavers are better for their points IMO. Scourges are excellent. Urien Rakarth is a badass even without the supplement.

Incubi are better. They're -2 points, can still be taken in groups as little as three, and their Klaivex gets rampage. That guy can get 4+D3 attacks on the charge, WS6, I6, AP2.

Most things are better in the codex.

I'm not jumping on the doom/gloom bandwagon here...only the removal of named HQ's is completely unforgivable... but what should I do with my 50 NoS wyches? Ha ha... Anyone use them for anything else?

Curious if Venoms or Raiders got different options.

I know Venoms still have their 2 weapons but wonder if they have additional options.

Regardless, Deep Striking Fire Dragons and Deep Striking Wraithguard w/ D Scythes is pretty boss.

Not to mention the ability of an assault vehicle.

So a buff to Scorpions and other units needing it.

Also at around 70 points that's a great deal.

All in all it looks like a really good update.

The loss of haywire hurts, but Wyches aren't as bad as they're being made out. They still have plasma grenades, they get their dodge save and three weapons in 10 vs. 1 in 5 is better.

Grotesques are amazing.

The only use I can see for wyches at the moment is the same use I originally picked them up for. 9 wyches, hekitrix with Agonizer, with Succubus with Agonizer and WWP in a Raider.

No scatter deep strike on the raider right on top of something that needs tying up and can be killed by AP3. The raider gives you a little protection, FNP if by chance it gets exploded. Then you move and charge in. Hekitrix eats a challenge, succubus goes to work and gets 9 2+ los saves.

Incubi are better. They're -2 points, can still be taken in groups as little as three, and their Klaivex gets rampage. That guy can get 4+D3 attacks on the charge, WS6, I6, AP2.

units of 3+ in the previous Codex
now no way to get Assault grenades?
no Blood Stone or Klaviex?

Wyches are better now because they get FNP much more easily and combat drugs are slightly more useful. They're just no longer the best vehicle-killers in 40k which they never should have been.

I agree about them not being vehicle klillers - but now they are also prettyl crap in H_t_H with relatively low WS despite the fluff
Even in Raiders now they can get flamed with "no escape"

 Metalhed2434 wrote:
I'm not jumping on the doom/gloom bandwagon here...only the removal of named HQ's is completely unforgivable... but what should I do with my 50 NoS wyches? Ha ha... Anyone use them for anything else?

Use GS and glow paint and make some mandrakes, make the balance lameahns?

 Metalhed2434 wrote:
I'm not jumping on the doom/gloom bandwagon here...only the removal of named HQ's is completely unforgivable... but what should I do with my 50 NoS wyches? Ha ha... Anyone use them for anything else?

Apparently they're good for some Fantasy Dark Elves

I think grots are nice but they will still get hard countered by wraithknights, so kill that guy first. I actually like the court more.

 Zewrath wrote:
So all in all, this release buffed Craftworld Eldars? Great...

yup, it nerfed pure DE but buffed CWE with DE allies


Isnt that what this meta really needed?


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 Auswin wrote:

The loss of haywire hurts, but Wyches aren't as bad as they're being made out. They still have plasma grenades, they get their dodge save and three weapons in 10 vs. 1 in 5 is better.

Are conscripts great because they have frag grenades?

also 3 weapons in 10 isnt great when those weapons are terrible.

3 choices, each increases melee damage around 25% for 50% the cost of an additional wych. What a deal!

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Metalhed2434 wrote:
I'm not jumping on the doom/gloom bandwagon here...only the removal of named HQ's is completely unforgivable... but what should I do with my 50 NoS wyches? Ha ha... Anyone use them for anything else?

Use GS and glow paint and make some mandrakes, make the balance lameahns?

Challenge accepted!

Yay more craftworld elder buffs. People already quitting in my area, this might be the final nail except for the 3 elder players.