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I laughed at the video then I felt bad because I remembered he actually killed people. I wonder who dropped the ball on the parents being concerned thing, who did they inform etc. etc.

Have seen snippets of his "manifesto" and that's 7 shades of delusional...

I dunno if we need to find people to blame here. The kid looked like he was capable of sounding at least coherent in conversation, the police came and interviewed him, thought he was okay, and then left.

Kid then goes and kills people. I mean, it's not their fault. It's his fault. It's not the parent's fault either, unless the parents of every criminal are to blame. It's his fault.

I bet the police who conducted the interview feel pretty bad already.

True enough.

 Da Boss wrote:
I dunno if we need to find people to blame here. The kid looked like he was capable of sounding at least coherent in conversation, the police came and interviewed him, thought he was okay, and then left.

Kid then goes and kills people. I mean, it's not their fault. It's his fault. It's not the parent's fault either, unless the parents of every criminal are to blame. It's his fault.

I bet the police who conducted the interview feel pretty bad already.

QFT.

Sometimes the real dangerous gakheads are difficult to spot. The ones that vent and get spotted vent, venting lets off steam and explains the wrongs of their world.
There was nothing that could be done, this fethed up kid was a time bomb slowly ticking away.
Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.

My plan: Step 1 - legalize prostitution.



that's it.

It's a good start.

You can be a total fething gak internally, and still able to present externally as a 'reasonably' normal person. I'd bet that the cops were thinking the kid was an entitled, donkey-cave douchebag, but you can't arrest someone for that.

 Orlanth wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
I dunno if we need to find people to blame here. The kid looked like he was capable of sounding at least coherent in conversation, the police came and interviewed him, thought he was okay, and then left.

Kid then goes and kills people. I mean, it's not their fault. It's his fault. It's not the parent's fault either, unless the parents of every criminal are to blame. It's his fault.

I bet the police who conducted the interview feel pretty bad already.

QFT.

Sometimes the real dangerous gakheads are difficult to spot. The ones that vent and get spotted vent, venting lets off steam and explains the wrongs of their world.
There was nothing that could be done, this fethed up kid was a time bomb slowly ticking away.
Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.

Going by what's been shown about him, and the own things he's posted, he's a narcissistic gak who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, struggling to deal with the reality that's he's a loser with no actual smarts, work ethic, or social ability. Then he gets involved with a group of similar losers like the 'involuntary celibate' community who reinforce the whole, 'it's not you that's the problem, it's them!' and have an almost cultish tendency to push distrust onto others like family, friends, mental health professionals, the people who can ACTUALLY HELP, and it's not surprising that he turned into a self-recursive bs nuke.

And for people ragging on the 'yes all women' hashtag... you just had a gak go out and murder a bunch of people out of sheer, wtf, unbridled misogyny. It's easy to find morons on the internet and stick them up as examples,

but this is gak getting repeated in actual discussions on the subject.

So, pretty much, I've come to the conclusion I really am not actually observant enough in this world between the hashtag and some other articles I read last week, I'm starting to realise some more stuff.

For example, I never realised wolf-whistles and catcalls were actually still a thing nowadays. Or at least, wasn't just a thing of builders and brickies doing it semi-ironically. Needless to say, I was very very wrong. What shocked me even more, was reading some womens resignation statements from a major employer where they talked about it happening inside the canteen, inside the building. And it was pretty much seen as okay.

I mean, seriously, I've been a jerk before, realised it about half an hour after I've firmly wedged my foot up my mouth but honestly, that's the least of the things I've heard recently. But basically, to state the absolute obvious and make myself sound even more like a clueless idiot. Guys, folk like this kid, and in those tweets, they're actually out there. This gak is real.

Well that was depressing.

 Compel wrote:
So, pretty much, I've come to the conclusion I really am not actually observant enough in this world between the hashtag and some other articles I read last week, I'm starting to realise some more stuff.

For example, I never realised wolf-whistles and catcalls were actually still a thing nowadays. Or at least, wasn't just a thing of builders and brickies doing it semi-ironically. Needless to say, I was very very wrong. What shocked me even more, was reading some womens resignation statements from a major employer where they talked about it happening inside the canteen, inside the building. And it was pretty much seen as okay.

I mean, seriously, I've been a jerk before, realised it about half an hour after I've firmly wedged my foot up my mouth but honestly, that's the least of the things I've heard recently. But basically, to state the absolute obvious and make myself sound even more like a clueless idiot. Guys, folk like this kid, and in those tweets, they're actually out there. This gak is real.

That's part of why people are upset about it - because the sort of language he uses, the entitlement to the affections and attention of women, the incredible classing of women as a monolithic group, are not particularly uncommon. On top of that, many (most? almost all?) women have had men act in threatening ways, and many of those women have had people (including police) utterly fail to care about it at all.

I remember the first time I got rejected by a girl...I sulked and stopped talking to her. Can't say the idea ever entered my mind to grab a gun or knife and go offing people.

I remember when I got rejected, It was sad.
Then four years later I find her on the street corner in a very short skirt.

More than anything the video just comes across as pathetic. Because we watch so many movies with genius supervillains, I think a lot of people have this idea of killers like this as deranged but brilliant, with insane levels of elaborate planning, but in reality they're mostly just very unremarkable idiots with some very sick ideas in their heads.

 Jihadin wrote:
Think the parents are going to blame "Society" for failing their son

That's pretty dodgy mate. I don't know where this idea came from that any time a kid goes bad the parents must have failed.

Sometimes kids just go wrong. Whether there was just something broken in the kid, or whether other factors in society just affected him in a way they don't effect someone else, who knows. And yeah, plenty of times the parents are distant, or abusive or controlling and that is a direct cause, but often the parents sink every ounce of time and worry in to these kids and are just helpless as they take a course of action like this.


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 Orlanth wrote:
Sometimes the real dangerous gakheads are difficult to spot. The ones that vent and get spotted vent, venting lets off steam and explains the wrongs of their world.
There was nothing that could be done, this fethed up kid was a time bomb slowly ticking away.
Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.

Well, it wasn't as though this came out of nowhere. He was seeing multiple therapists, and the parents called the police for a reason. But between the parents, the therapists and the police they weren't able to help him enough, or see the immediacy of the danger and make sure this couldn't happen.

Maybe when people throw up warning signs like this in future, a simple police interview maybe isn't enough. Reviews with therapists and other more substantive stuff might be needed.

So another Idiot who couldn't handle rejection.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember when I got rejected, It was sad.
Then four years later I find her on the street corner in a very short skirt.

I hope you did the honourable thing and helped a lady out in her time of need by puchasing an hours worth of services. Now THAT'S being a gentleman.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember when I got rejected, It was sad.
Then four years later I find her on the street corner in a very short skirt.

Honestly, this does not sound like a healthy attitude you have. From previous posts and this one, it seems you have a fairly adversarial or even proprietary view towards women, and it's a bit unsettling. You are better than that. Please, make a lot of friends, women, men, lots of friends, and expand your viewpoint.

I mean, I must have been rejected by hundreds if not thousands of women, and the worst, most cruel rejection I ever received had even the teachers feeling bad for me and awkwardly trying to set me up. But you know what? She went to the same university I did and I have every reason to believe she is a well-respected professional and that's great. I don't need her to be a rock-bottom whore to feel better about myself. I don't need to be a millionaire with trophy wives to get over it.

Now, before you sulk, let me introduce you to a ray of sunshine: I have a friend who had not had so much as a kiss until he was 33. He finally got over his fear of women and took charge of tackling all his insecurities. He made friends with a diverse group of people and learned how to feel comfortable outside his comfort zone. He joined groups for things he was interested in, like Star Wars and film. It may be a bit crass to mention, but he cleaned up the cosplay scene. But more importantly, he made a relationship with an amazing woman who understands him. The point is: confidence grows with age and experience; dating gets easier; follow your interests and you will find people who grok you; leave your comfort zone; and don't give in to defeatism or you might be loveless for a lot longer.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but you haven't even started college yet, right? And you might go to Cal? There is almost no chance that you will be able to avoid meeting someone who rings your bells (metaphorically speaking, but not the naughty kind of metaphor...or not just). College is like a huge summer camp full of nerds and everybody gets a fresh start. Join clubs, make friends, go to dances. Take advantage of the opportunity and you shouldn't have any regrets.

1; Im sorry if i appear as hating women, I dont. I have come to terms that some women are not attracted to me. I know someday I will find a women to likes me. But that story is still true, But also many of the women that rejected me im actaully still casually friends with.
2: I have been mostly to community college, so yes im off to a university(Sadly I got Rejected from Cal and LA, but im going to santa cruz) And I do plan and joing a club. Maybe Archery, Girls like Hawkeye I think.

Even better: Bring those archery skills to some SCA, Renn Faire or LARPing events, and you could be the next Legolas.

He clearly has a very weird and delusional worldview.
He also has a highly annoying voice and his wallowing in self-pity and self-rightenousness is truly repulsive. He makes me want to puke.
No wonder nobody was ever attracted to him. He is just so disgusting in every possible way.
And the fact that he has killed innocent people for his own personality flaws... I feel the strong urge to bash his smug face in with a hammer while cursing uncontrollably.

He would make for a perfect cheesy movie villain though. Just add a moustache for him to twirl and voilà.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember when I got rejected, It was sad.
Then four years later I find her on the street corner in a very short skirt.

This is the most that happened thing here!

An entitled, self-absorbed, egomaniac with delusions of adequacy. I am fed up of people complaining about "being in the friendzone", or "being a nice guy and getting nowhere". Just because you are nice to someone X number of times does not mean that they owe you sex. Just because you couldn't tell someone that you were interested does not make it their fault you didn't get what you wanted. And because you got rejected it does not give you the right to stab and shoot people.

I refuse to watch his videos or read his manifesto. I do not agree with giving people a platform to spout their crap after they have killed people. I do not agree with the media giving the perpetrator his fifteen minutes of fame, it sends out the message that if society excludes you and you don't feel respected or listened to then murder and your message will get an audience wider than you could ever get otherwise. Most of us know, or can recognize the names of people who have carried out mass shootings. How many of us can name the victims, or the people who stopped a mass shooting?

I still believe that the best way to tackle these incidents is investment and engagement with mental health professionals. The perpetrator was reported to the police and nothing happened, Why?




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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1; Im sorry if i appear as hating women, I dont. I have come to terms that some women are not attracted to me. I know someday I will find a women to likes me. But that story is still true, But also many of the women that rejected me im actaully still casually friends with.
2: I have been mostly to community college, so yes im off to a university(Sadly I got Rejected from Cal and LA, but im going to santa cruz) And I do plan and joing a club. Maybe Archery, Girls like Hawkeye I think.

I will give you a tip to girls mate, girls can't stand being not better at something then you. So there is a simple trick to this.

1: Find what they like, been a few years since I was on a hunt but for me it was art. She was obsessed with it. So I casually slid in with some art comments gave her compliments on hers. Then make sure I can do slightly better not to much just slightly. She started to try harder and hunt me down in school halls to show me her stuff. Bing bang boom she after me now.

2: Is she a lover or a hater? In my experince there is 2 type of girls ones who want to be taken care of ones who don't. Find out what she is before you get in to deep. Mine is a lover/caregiver easy tell she is obsessed with baby animals and taking care of things. So get "hurt" tell her that you usually don't feel comfortable telling people you got hurt but there's just something about her that makes you feel safe. Now she thinks you need her to take care of you "with out being overly needy"

3: Women live life on their sholders they need to express themselves let them.

4: They seek you out because you are a loyal friend they have alot in comin with you and see you as a rival and you need them so they do not feel so vulnerable.

5: Tell her your secrets and show emotions, doesn't need to be alot just enough to let her know you trust her with your heart.

This method had about 9 girls after me till I found one that I would call wife, she is smart enough to have a conversation with, sweet enough to care, and just a good choice for me lol.

So to sum it up what you need

1: Exercise and be fit "A person will be judge by there looks because it is what we show the world, no one wants to read the story if they do not think there is anything worth reading inside.

2: Pick a girl with traits/intrest you have in common.

3: Find out what she needs in a relationship and make sure you give her that.

4: Girls want to hear I love you because common sense "when they pick a mate it is a 9 month to a life time commitment men can run" So if they do not think there is a future there will not be a present. This isn't in the first week btw. Also here is a quote to live by. DO NOT RUSH TO THE SACK EVER OR TO GRAB THINGS!!! When she asks why you didn't say " I want to spend the rest of my life with you, and I want everything to be perfect and for you to know I want you for who you are not just your body cause you know.... I love/care about you.

5: Make sure you have manors, no one wants to date a pig. Put down the phone/tablet/gadget and listen. If you can't take the time to listen to what she is saying she not going to take the time to be around you.

6: Despite what people think girls arn't after the bad boy "Those guys just no how to read girls and trick them into getting what they want. Thats why those badboys always seem to be single lol.

I hope I'm not the only one that finds the dishing out of dating advice and whining about not getting girls in this thread really inappropriate.

Dreadclaw, agreed about pretty much everything you said there, but I don't blame the police in this case.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1; Im sorry if i appear as hating women, I dont. I have come to terms that some women are not attracted to me. I know someday I will find a women to likes me. But that story is still true, But also many of the women that rejected me im actaully still casually friends with.
2: I have been mostly to community college, so yes im off to a university(Sadly I got Rejected from Cal and LA, but im going to santa cruz) And I do plan and joing a club. Maybe Archery, Girls like Hawkeye I think.

I will give you a tip to girls mate, girls can't stand being not better at something then you. So there is a simple trick to this.

1: Find what they like, been a few years since I was on a hunt but for me it was art. She was obsessed with it. So I casually slid in with some art comments gave her compliments on hers. Then make sure I can do slightly better not to much just slightly. She started to try harder and hunt me down in school halls to show me her stuff. Bing bang boom she after me now.

2: Is she a lover or a hater? In my experince there is 2 type of girls ones who want to be taken care of ones who don't. Find out what she is before you get in to deep. Mine is a lover/caregiver easy tell she is obsessed with baby animals and taking care of things. So get "hurt" tell her that you usually don't feel comfortable telling people you got hurt but there's just something about her that makes you feel safe. Now she thinks you need her to take care of you "with out being overly needy"

3: Women live life on their sholders they need to express themselves let them.

4: They seek you out because you are a loyal friend they have alot in comin with you and see you as a rival and you need them so they do not feel so vulnerable.

5: Tell her your secrets and show emotions, doesn't need to be alot just enough to let her know you trust her with your heart.

This method had about 9 girls after me till I found one that I would call wife, she is smart enough to have a conversation with, sweet enough to care, and just a good choice for me lol.

So to sum it up what you need

1: Exercise and be fit "A person will be judge by there looks because it is what we show the world, no one wants to read the story if they do not think there is anything worth reading inside.

2: Pick a girl with traits/intrest you have in common.

3: Find out what she needs in a relationship and make sure you give her that.

4: Girls want to hear I love you because common sense "when they pick a mate it is a 9 month to a life time commitment men can run" So if they do not think there is a future there will not be a present. This isn't in the first week btw. Also here is a quote to live by. DO NOT RUSH TO THE SACK EVER OR TO GRAB THINGS!!! When she asks why you didn't say " I want to spend the rest of my life with you, and I want everything to be perfect and for you to know I want you for who you are not just your body cause you know.... I love/care about you.

5: Make sure you have manors, no one wants to date a pig. Put down the phone/tablet/gadget and listen. If you can't take the time to listen to what she is saying she not going to take the time to be around you.

6: Despite what people think girls arn't after the bad boy "Those guys just no how to read girls and trick them into getting what they want. Thats why those badboys always seem to be single lol.

Holy gak are you that dense? You picked this topic to give dating advice that completely generalizes women.

Well done dakka, you never disapoint!

I'd honestly be disappointed if Dakka disappointed

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I remember when I got rejected, It was sad.
Then four years later I find her on the street corner in a very short skirt.

Honestly, this does not sound like a healthy attitude you have. From previous posts and this one, it seems you have a fairly adversarial or even proprietary view towards women, and it's a bit unsettling. You are better than that. Please, make a lot of friends, women, men, lots of friends, and expand your viewpoint.

Or you could simply not make a huge drama out of a non-serious comment and interpet content that is not existent.

 Bromsy wrote:
My plan: Step 1 - legalize prostitution.
that's it.

You've got my vote.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
An entitled, self-absorbed, egomaniac with delusions of adequacy. I am fed up of people complaining about "being in the friendzone", or "being a nice guy and getting nowhere". Just because you are nice to someone X number of times does not mean that they owe you sex. Just because you couldn't tell someone that you were interested does not make it their fault you didn't get what you wanted. And because you got rejected it does not give you the right to stab and shoot people.

Exalt. I so agree. I can't stand people who are 'nice guys' because when you boil it down, they really aren't.

They provide support and friendship with a secret agenda based upon dishonesty. They objectify these women by treating them like a 'prize' machine that if they pump it full of enough 'nice guy' tokens then sex should fall out. They are dishonest with their feelings and what the woman thought was 'just a good friend' is really someone who is growing with bitterness, entitlement and is trying to buy you like a prostitute with 'nice guy tokens.

They are not a real friend, they are not honest, and they are not actually being nice.

Know what is nice? Being honest. Treating them like people. It is not actually a bad thing to tell someone you think they are attractive and that you would like to have sex with them or date them. It may be crass, but it is honest and treating the person like a human. And some will say no, some will say yes, and it isn't personal. How else are people going to ever get together unless someone says something.

Now these 'nice guys' see those dudes as donkey-caves, but women do it too, and you wanna know who women really think 'are the donkey-cave'? the 'nice guy' who has been their fake friend for 5 years with hopes of basically buying their affection via 'nice guy tokens' and then basically puts it out there and shows their relationship for 5 years has been a cheap, dead-inside lie. That is why they will take an honest bar dude who is direct over a deceptive, dishonest 'nice guy' who treats someone who was supposed to be 'your friend' like an object that should be his because he paid for it.

And guess what? you don;t think you are 'that' nice guy? well check out the horrible comments by tons of 'nice guys' being made. No wonder women are skeptical and down right scared of nice guys. They should be because they are scarier than any bro-dude who drops a funny pick up line for a one-night stand.

If you harbor 'feelings' for a girl which you are being a 'friend' to... you owe it to them to tell them everything, apologize for your falsehoods and if you are not willing to be friends with no feelings, then you need to put it out there and accept she may say yes, or your friendship will be over. It is not fair to her to say 'I am selfishly keeping my friendship even though I have feelings because the lie I live is better than honesty and rejection." That makes you a terrible person.

My friend once said this about "the friend zone" "Women are not machines where you put favors in and see comes out" and I agree, no dating advice here

Especially as there genuinely is a 'Dating Advice' thread on the forum.