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So some of ADW's comments are now being removed by Kickstarter, I take it that actually is Kickstarter doing it and not the creator removing them?

Friendly Bunny Rabbit wrote:
So some of ADW's comments are now being removed by Kickstarter, I take it that actually is Kickstarter doing it and not the creator removing them?

The project creator can't edit comments. This is KS deleting them.

I hope that isn't the full extent of what KS is going to do, other than removing unpleasant comments.

If I don't end up getting a refund I am totally going to just sit and troll their future campaigns.

Ask yout credit card company to do a charge back. You'll at least get your money back that way and kickstarter will take notice.

 jah-joshua wrote:
top 40% of the mini industry, huh???
i would say that i have never seen a mini go into production that looked even close to how horrendous these sculpts are...
that would put them in the bottom 1%, i believe...

I have to agree.

It honestly looks like the "tools" they used for the sculpts were their fingers and fingernails. I was convinced on one of the pictures that I could see a fingerprint, but it might have just been an artifact of the picture quality.

I tried getting a chargeback- it's past the 60 day window unfortunately.

I have now reported this project for a 2nd time. This report was due to the abusive behavior of the creators. I sent them a note, and a report giving all the links supplied by High Lord. I suggest everyone else do the same.

As a KS backer of ADW I've asked for a refund as this is now beyond a joke - although the current trainwreck that is the commenst section is almost worth the $$ I gave as a comedy read in its own right.

It is, as we watch this complete meltdown, refreshing to see from the latest irrational comments from ADW that in this day and age people can apparently still just go ahead and obtain money by false pretences and then splash it all away on at least one of 'hookers and blow'!!

Please excuse my excessively aggresive punctuation.

hahahhaa i had actually forgotten about that whole business with the !!!!!!!

Too funny. Stop shouting at us, Crazy_Cat!

I'm gonna google-stalk you now, you exclamation point using woman hater.

[insert random copied and paste music article here]

take that!

ahhh good stuff ::

MissMelons wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
top 40% of the mini industry, huh???
i would say that i have never seen a mini go into production that looked even close to how horrendous these sculpts are...
that would put them in the bottom 1%, i believe...

they do get top 1% for psycho behavior, though...
gotta be good at something, i guess...

what a trainwreck...

cheers
jah

I meant the bottom 40% and that being a generous number.

i was referencing the post they made to Highlord T., and i mis-quoted them...
they actually said they are in the top 20%...
wow!!!

now, if DWM meant they are in the top 20% of BS artists, then i would give them that, for sure...

cheers
jah

What was the bit with the punctuation? I missed that.

I'll have to try and find the direct quote, but the gist of it was that a concerned back asked a question in one of the updates, with the use of ONE exclamation point

They told him that the use of exclamation points is equivalent to yelling, and that they will not tolerate it and told all backers that they do not want exclamation points to be used

though of course THEY could use them as much as they wanted =P

I tried to report it, too, but think my crappy phone signal dropped before it went through. Do you get a confirmation when you report on kickstarter?

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I tried to report it, too, but think my crappy phone signal dropped before it went through. Do you get a confirmation when you report on kickstarter?

IIRC, its just a little on screen popup of "thanks for reporting". No e-mail or anything.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I tried to report it, too, but think my crappy phone signal dropped before it went through. Do you get a confirmation when you report on kickstarter?

IIRC, its just a little on screen popup of "thanks for reporting". No e-mail or anything.

She is correct. Just a little pop up. There's no point including any of those links. KS already removed them all. It seems like KS is doing more to cover this up, than they are helping with anything.

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I tried to report it, too, but think my crappy phone signal dropped before it went through. Do you get a confirmation when you report on kickstarter?

IIRC, its just a little on screen popup of "thanks for reporting". No e-mail or anything.

She is correct. Just a little pop up. There's no point including any of those links. KS already removed them all. It seems like KS is doing more to cover this up, than they are helping with anything.

Well, you can always contact Kickstarter and inform the company that if the situation is not otherwise resolved, it will be necessary to report it to Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson, or whoever your local State Attorney General is. That might get more traction.

Of course there is this...ehem...timely news article...

weeble1000 wrote:

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Gymnogyps wrote:
I tried to report it, too, but think my crappy phone signal dropped before it went through. Do you get a confirmation when you report on kickstarter?

IIRC, its just a little on screen popup of "thanks for reporting". No e-mail or anything.

She is correct. Just a little pop up. There's no point including any of those links. KS already removed them all. It seems like KS is doing more to cover this up, than they are helping with anything.

Well, you can always contact Kickstarter and inform the company that if the situation is not otherwise resolved, it will be necessary to report it to Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson, or whoever your local State Attorney General is. That might get more traction.

Of course there is this...ehem...timely news article...

They can claim they arent responsible all they please. When they knowingly ignore reports of past scams attached to current kickstarters they are just as liable as the scammers themselves.

A company can write any terms of service they please. That doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

"Highlord Tamburlaine, Best Mini Critic 7 minutes ago

Wish my credit union would have been more accommodating."

Highlord, tell your credit card company that you gonna cancel and make credit card with another company because of 60days charge back limit.

Banks normally do something when they are about to lose customer.

good luck

 Goblini wrote:
"Highlord Tamburlaine, Best Mini Critic 7 minutes ago

Wish my credit union would have been more accommodating."

Highlord, tell your credit card company that you gonna cancel and make credit card with another company because of 60days charge back limit.

Banks normally do something when they are about to lose customer.

good luck

You may also want to insist the bank starts fraud charges.

.

arrrgh the fething monkey is haunting!

 Alex C wrote:
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To be fair, that is just a work in progress.

I just can't get over how incredibly awful that miniature is.

I bet that if you showed that picture to 50 different people, you'd get more than a dozen different opinions about what it's supposed to represent.

Honestly, it looks like my attempts at greenstuffing, which is why I don't bother anymore.

Three things:

First, several of us reported ADW's latest project to Kickstarter before it funded, as being a scam. Kickstarter saying they aren't liable for projects not delivering might not hold up as well when they've been repeatedly informed that they are hosting a scam on their site (and getting money from it as a result) before it successfully funds.

Secondly, highlord, if they call you (or have already called you?) that is definitely creepy, and maybe borderline harrassment, and telling Kickstarter should put a stop to that PRONTO. I see they've already stopped posting and had a bunch of their comments deleted- I wish people had saved the text of those in particular, since the ones that are NOT deleted are already very aggressive!

Finally, this is what scammers do: they attack, they obfuscate, they engage in victim blaming... anything but admit they are in the wrong. This is most undoubtedly a scam at this point. Mandelbaum (who this is obviously not, as these guys have their own history) would use much the same tactics on here when he was actively scamming.

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Edit: Have you noticed her facebook page, with supposedly almost 5,000 friends, leads to a "page not found" now?
https://www.facebook.com/1202497670

Again, Mandelbaum wrote the book on rotating names around for who was in charge of the project when... I'd bet quite a bit that you're dealing with 1, maximum 2 (perhaps a couple) people here, and they're just using so many names to confuse things. It's an obvious and, at least for a little while, effective delay tactic.

Obviously that is the start to a wookie. Look at the face =P

yup, just like the SCott Lantry that posted on the Reaper threads and the 'part timer' that went ballistic in the KS comment section sounded alike, and then Scott Lantry turns out to be the 'Chairman' and now Lars is spewing out similar nasty comments to both Scott and the 'part tim'er

 RiTides wrote:

Edit: Have you noticed her facebook page, with supposedly almost 5,000 friends, leads to a "page not found" now?
https://www.facebook.com/1202497670

that links works for me, leads to a 'Dina Andrew Walker', with 199 "followers".

Can't say I'm too suprised. They (he/she) has clearly shown earlier that they cannot handle any kind of critique, even if constructive or helpful.

I am kinda suprised in how this went down though. I had imagined that people would just be strung along until an attempt was made for another kickstarter and that all communication would suddenly stop.

So once again it looks more like this is a case of truly delusional people that actually thought that their pathetic attempts at professional sculpting would be well recieved by their customers rather than outright scammers that never were entertaining a thought of actually delivering anything.

Sadly, the funds will probably never be recovered, and the greatest casualty might be said to be the legit miniatures kickstarters of the future that will have a harder time gaining the communities trust.

I hope that the lesson people draw from this debacle is not to outright quit supporting kick-starters but to make more thorough investigations of the project and the creators. The warningflags were there for those who knew where to look (although I believe the most egregious warnings were temporary unavailable during the Ice age funding period due to the reaper thread being locked).

Also, for those of you having the possibility to write in the Sea-Monsters comments; since there seems to be problematic to get chargebacks from creditcards after 60 days it would be a service to keep those backers updated on the recent developments so that they may still get out while they can. I suppose there are those that has only pledged for the sea monsters and don't follow the Ace Age mammals

Looks like Aard_Rinn got in touch with person who got scammed by Dina, scott or lars in the past
Aard Rinn 24 minutes ago
"Hi my name is XXXXXXXXXXXX, I too was taken by these two scum bags in a different scam XX years ago. I have been after them since then. They owe me $60,000 which I will probably never see. They are in Canada illegally and the only way to get them is to physically hold on to them and call the cops! Please spread the word so no one else gets scammed by these two!"
Names and dates withheld to protect those involved; less than three years, though.