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The antagonist in that one was the caretaker guy, wasn't it? I don't remember a girl one.. Unless you mean the gangs (kangs?) and they weren't villains.
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pretre wrote: I'm not spoilering, since I think you're way off.
The antagonist in that one was the caretaker guy, wasn't it? I don't remember a girl one.. Unless you mean the gangs (kangs?) and they weren't villains.
no, I meant the happiness patrol. with the kandy robot.
I got the episodes wrong, I will turn in my fan card now.
I finally managed to watch it with my family on catch-up last night. We were all left slightly disappointed and confused.
Peter Capaldi was good.
Clara is as nice to look at as ever but still annoying, however I believe she is due to get written out soon in favour of a male companion. (My daughter calls her a useless version of Amy.) That will finally put paid to the female companion as pseudo girlfriend theme that has been IMO much overused though clearly in this episode the scriptwriter decided to give everyone the news in banner headlines.
I liked the mechanical robots. They don't seem strong enough to be major villains but their leader in this one had a good level of pathos which brought back some of the moral points of the whole Dr Who experience.
I agree about the fighting skills of the Vestra team. I always like Strax though.
My daughter thought the mysterious lady in the robot's heaven was the "Doctor's Wife" i.e. the intelligent core of the Tardis who presumably translated the robot into a virtual envirinment. It may have been the same actress or a similar looking one. I took that character to be this series's plot arc's major villain, in which case we may see the robot come back in a later episode and his attitude towards Dr Who will be interestingly ambivalent.
I and other friends were hoping for at least one dr to be less shouty - going to see if tonights epsiode is any better than last weeks effort
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Mr Morden wrote: I and other friends were hoping for at least one dr to be less shouty - going to see if tonights epsiode is any better than last weeks effort
You are aware that The Doctor is being played by Peter Capaldi this go round, right?
Mr Morden wrote: I and other friends were hoping for at least one dr to be less shouty - going to see if tonights epsiode is any better than last weeks effort
You are aware that The Doctor is being played by Peter Capaldi this go round, right?
He wasn't shouty in Muskateers................
Well this episode was not bad
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Just saw the latest episodes and quite enjoyed it. Capaldi remains quite understated which is nice.
My 2 year old had a late sleep so was playing in the front room while I was watching it. The first sight of the Dalak patient and he jumped up out of the ball pool and leapt on to my lap as watched the rest of the show half hiding his face half watching the whole thing - Classic Dr Who reaction!
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Welcome back Doctor! Brilliant stuff this week. Some parts were a tad predictable, but overall Capaldi was great yet again, the Daleks were handled very well and even Clara was less annoying.
Spoiler:
I could have done without the scene with Missy that utterly killed the tension of that scene, but other than that it was great.
I loved the Doctor's jokes at Clara's expense and the fact he left the guy to die and even used his death, certainly evidence of the darker edge we were promised.
Also, hearing a Dalek say that 'resistance is futile' was far more exciting that it should have been!
This season so far seems to have a thing for having Game of Thrones actors playing cameo roles ...before dying horrible. Taking bets on whether Sean Bean'll show up next week. =P
Ah, but there is some decent actors in this season actually (barring the GoT ones). I've liked Michael Smiley's other roles, and whilst he was a bit underutilised this episode, it was still nice to see him. The writing's still crap though, but its more of a consistent manure rather than the watery dollop that the previous seasons have been. The change in Doctor's character is good, even if its played quite bluntly, though again, its better than chirpy Matt Smith.
I can't help but think a lot of this group will be revisited in another episode.
I know it's a daft thing to say but...
Spoiler:
A surprising number of people, well, actually survived this episode compared to other similar ones (EG Flesh and Stone, the Titanic special). I would thought that Uncle and Niece would have died horribly/tragically, plus Rusty getting killed off after his heel face heel turn. However, those doors remained surprisingly open.
This episode was way better than last weeks, and I'm really liking that they made Daleks truly scary again rather than the tin-pot pushovers they've otherwise been (as the humans simply could do nothing to stop even a single Dalek). Clara's character feels increasingly unnecessary however and forced, and the awkward contrast between her "real life" and the "Doctor's World" serves more to distract from the narrative than aid it. Capaldi however was great and I'm liking him as the Doctor much better than Matt Smith (who wasn't awful, just didn't jive with me much). The darker edge is making me like show a whole lot more.
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Actually, the humans DID manage to kill a couple of Daleks in the various battle scenes in the episode.
Which, I actually thought was very good and a massive improvement. If there's a situation where there is literally nothing that can be done, it's not scary to me, it's just boring - it's just marking time until the ***pull happens to save the day.
I think next week will be a more jokey episode from the trailer, which will hopefully lead to guest star Ben Miller getting some good lines. I don't mind more tongue in cheek episodes from time to time, especially if it sets up something darker further in, or even in the same episode (like The Crimson Horror, started funny then got serious and pretty dark)
Compel wrote: Actually, the humans DID manage to kill a couple of Daleks in the various battle scenes in the episode.
Which, I actually thought was very good and a massive improvement. If there's a situation where there is literally nothing that can be done, it's not scary to me, it's just boring - it's just marking time until the ***pull happens to save the day.
Did they? I may have missed it, I'll have to re-watch it.
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When he left the guy to be killed by the giant... sorry.. I mean to be killed by the anti bodies I was reminded of Hartnell , the rock and the caveman for just a moment or two.
.. Does Clara remember much/anything of her splintered personalities ? Assuming not as one suspects she might have argued a bit more forcefully about the possibility of a good Dalek.
Gonna go out out on a limb and suggest the scene with the Gatekeeper/Missy "proves" that the Dr didn't push the robot from ep#1, but persuaded him...it... to sacrifice him/itself. An act echoed this week by the other lady soldier -- who I'd thought had disappeared for a moment when they landed in the "soup" .
.... course back in the Tennant era Davros said that the Dr turned people into weapons....
.. so is Missy collecting "weapons" with a grudge ?
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I was annoyed that they re-used the "You would make a good dalek" thing from Eccleston's series.
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Tactical_Genius wrote: I was annoyed that they re-used the "You would make a good dalek" thing from Eccleston's series.
Hmm, that almost annoyed me, but it's a line so brilliant I can forgive them. I've always liked the fact the Daleks see the Doctor as one of them, it says so much about both sides.
I really like the morally gray doctor, he has been very interesting. They seem to be doing a good job showing how he can be good but also has he potential for evil in him.
Wyrmalla wrote: This season so far seems to have a thing for having Game of Thrones actors playing cameo roles ...before dying horrible. Taking bets on whether Sean Bean'll show up next week. =P
Ah, but there is some decent actors in this season actually (barring the GoT ones). I've liked Michael Smiley's other roles, and whilst he was a bit underutilised this episode, it was still nice to see him. The writing's still crap though, but its more of a consistent manure rather than the watery dollop that the previous seasons have been. The change in Doctor's character is good, even if its played quite bluntly, though again, its better than chirpy Matt Smith.
Look back to previous seasons, GoT has had a lot of actors on Who. There's only so many to choose from over there...
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Finally a old school style Doctor is back, now we just need a old school style companion like Sarah Jane or even Donna instead of the "please do me Doctor" companions they keep giving him.
Peter: As we all know, Christmas is that mystical time of year when the ghost of Jesus rises from the grave to feast on the flesh of the living! So we all sing Christmas Carols to lull him back to sleep.
Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.
Noir wrote: Finally a old school style Doctor is back, now we just need a old school style companion like Sarah Jane or even Donna instead of the "please do me Doctor" companions they keep giving him.
Speaking of companions, when did the doctor take up his "no military" policy?
I actually like Clara "this is the look I give you, right before I smack you" It probably is her last season though, new doctor needs a new companion.
Noir wrote: Finally a old school style Doctor is back, now we just need a old school style companion like Sarah Jane or even Donna instead of the "please do me Doctor" companions they keep giving him.
Speaking of companions, when did the doctor take up his "no military" policy?
I actually like Clara "this is the look I give you, right before I smack you" It probably is her last season though, new doctor needs a new companion.
Yeah, I found the no military thing odd too. As it was never a problem before.
Peter: As we all know, Christmas is that mystical time of year when the ghost of Jesus rises from the grave to feast on the flesh of the living! So we all sing Christmas Carols to lull him back to sleep.
Bob: Outrageous, How dare he say such blasphemy. I've got to do something.
Man #1: Bob, there's nothing you can do.
Bob: Well, I guess I'll just have to develop a sense of humor.
I've been watching the earlier seasons of the new Who recently and I think the Doctor very much was reminded of his conversations with Davros in the Tennant era.
After that, (and losing Amy) the Doctor is probably very much aware that what he needs in a companion is a Morality Pet not an effectively serving soldier (or recently left one), as a soldier would have different considerations, ones the Doctor would already consider.
After all, Daleks are the ultimate soldiers and... The Doctor is a Good Dalek.
I believe the phrase is... Mike drop, no?
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