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... You all spotted Troughton -- Tv's first R. Hood -- in the databanks yes ?
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As someone else mentioned, the best part was the "next week" preview
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Vaktathi wrote: eeeehhh I just watched last weeks Doctor Who...
That was...quite awful.
As someone else mentioned, the best part was the "next week" preview
Agreed... Just watched it last night with the wife and a couple of friends, we actually had to pause the show, in order to crack our own jokes and laugh at how bad it was.... But it was good to show us more of the Doctor's current personality.
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RJCarrot wrote: I don't know, I liked it. And +1 for not having Missy.
The arc was still there, if you looked closely, just not missy.
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I really should caveat... It was a "bad" episode in much the same way Monty Python and the Holy Grail is really not a masterpiece of cinema.... There are great lines, and some great acting and overall, it was good fun (as I said we had to pause several times throughout the episode)
I don't think Doctor Who has ever been a masterpiece of television writing. It has been consistently fun, family friendly sci-fi for the last 50 years or so though. On that metric, this was a great episode.
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I found it far too gimmicky and...badly re-treading obvious cliches and scenes we've seen done a thousand times over and then sprinkle in some evil robots. It's like it tried to do a joke episode but tried to take itself party seriously at the same time and just failed on both counts. It was not particularly enjoyable to watch. There were a couple of funny lines, but not enough to salvage that train wreck.
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For this those that haven't seen it, the Horror channel in the UK are showing a bunch of the classic episodes, in remastered form for the most part. The new 'series' starts the end of this month. Here's a list of episodes that are being shown over the next few months:
http://www.kasterborous.com/2014/09/horror-screen-doctor-who-remastered-classics/
Edit: there's also a few on the same channel before then, including the Masque of Mandragora and the Planet of Evil. They're on at odd times, though, so if you want them it might be best to set them to record.
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How old is the Doctor anymore? At one time I thought they quoted something like the 900s, but then I just got done watching the fourth season of Torchwood and they were making references to Jack being over 1000 and it made me wonder how those two are comparing in age at current.
Currently, the Doctor is about 2000. He was about 900ish when the newWho series started in 2005, was about 908 when Smith came in, and then spent about 200-300 years between leaving the Ponds and then going back for them/marrying River, and then spent about 7-800 years defending Christmas/Trenzalore. This, I think makes Smith's the longest incarnation in plot time.
Ah, right, Trenzalore. I imagine that did eat up a good chunk of time. Does seem like they just keep upping the ante with long spans of time and exponentially increasing ages that it loses meaning though.
AduroT wrote: Ah, right, Trenzalore. I imagine that did eat up a good chunk of time. Does seem like they just keep upping the ante with long spans of time and exponentially increasing ages that it loses meaning though.
He was already 900. 2000 isn't exponentially and isn't the big an increase. The big jumps also allow for non-TV continuity to use chunks of time, which is nice for folks who like the extended universe. I believe this is also very true of the time between 8 and 9. (Since 8 has soooooo many stories about him out there in EU, but the least in TV-U.)
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AduroT wrote: Ah, right, Trenzalore. I imagine that did eat up a good chunk of time. Does seem like they just keep upping the ante with long spans of time and exponentially increasing ages that it loses meaning though.
He was already 900. 2000 isn't exponentially and isn't the big an increase. The big jumps also allow for non-TV continuity to use chunks of time, which is nice for folks who like the extended universe. I believe this is also very true of the time between 8 and 9. (Since 8 has soooooo many stories about him out there in EU, but the least in TV-U.)
Yeah, but over 1,000 years? That's just unnecessary, even a hundred years (excluding Trenzalore, that's a rant for another time) would seem a little excessive.
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-Shrike- wrote: Yeah, but over 1,000 years? That's just unnecessary, even a hundred years (excluding Trenzalore, that's a rant for another time) would seem a little excessive.
It wasn't over 1000 years. 900 was his start of Nuwho (as listed above). He spent approx 700-900 years on Trenzalore (Prose sources).
Somewhat clear milestones:
'First' Doctor Borrows Tardis at 236
First Regen / Second Doctor: ~450
Second Regen / Third Doctor: 748
Fourth Doctor (Ribos Operation): 759
Fourth Regen / Fifth Doctor: 813 * (Prose Source)
Sixth Doctor (Revelation of the Daleks): 900
Sixth Regen / Seventh Doctor: 953
Eight Doctor: 1012 (Prose source)
War Doctor: 800-900 (Day of the Doctor)
Ninth: ~900 (Aliens of London) to ~1136 (Empty Child)
Tenth: 903 (Voyage of the Damned) 906 (End of time)
Eleventh: 907 (Flesh and Stone) 1103 (Impossible Astronaut) 1200 (Town called Mercy) ~1200 (Day of the Doctor) >1500 (Time of the Doctor)
Twelth: 2000+ (Deep Breath)
Several things you'll notice. His age is rarely clear and he lies quite a bit about it. It is even possible he doesn't know how old he is. Were there big jumps between episodes during Eleventh's tenure? Yes. Were they appropriate at the time? I believe so. Eleven was one of his most human regenerations where he had forgotten the most horrible things he had done and tried to immerse himself in emotion and 'family'. I like to think of Eleven as his 'mid-life crisis'.
Either way, the time spent on Trenzalore was part of the story and was used to emphasized the importance of what he was doing. I suppose instead we could have had an entire season where he was trapped on the planet and each episode was another fight there (very Pertwee there), but they chose not to do that.
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@pretre, I thought that the 1st Doctor had said he was in the 5-600 year old range???
Anyhow, about the only thing I know for certain, aside from that the 11th doctor lies, is that 12 has said "I'm over 2000 years old, and not all of them were good"
The way he said it leads me to believe that he really is over 2k years in age, but ultimately, he could be 2001 or he could be 2100 and we really dont know.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: @pretre, I thought that the 1st Doctor had said he was in the 5-600 year old range???
Not that I've seen
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The First Doctor was eight when he entered the Academy, along with the Master. (TV: The Sound of Drums) He apparently left primary school at the age of 45. (PROSE: Shroud of Sorrow) He later described himself as having been "just a kid" when he first visited the Medusa Cascade, at the age of 90. (TV: The Stolen Earth) He said he was a "teenager" for fifty years. (COMIC: The Time Witch) When the Fourth Doctor was 759, (TV: The Ribos Operation) Romana noted the Doctor had been travelling in the TARDIS for 523 years. This would have made the Doctor about 236 when he first 'borrowed' the TARDIS and left Gallifrey. (TV: The Pirate Planet)
This figure was broadly supported by the TARDIS itself. When transferred into a humanoid body, the TARDIS said the Doctor had travelled with it for 700 years. At this point, the Eleventh Doctor was around 909 years old, putting his age when he stole the TARDIS about 200. (TV: The Impossible Astronaut, The Doctor's Wife) During the time Susan Foreman travelled with the Doctor, Ian Chesterton, and Barbara Wright, she knew that despite his apparent maturity, in terms of their own species the Doctor was considered an adolescent. (AUDIO: Here There Be Monsters) He stated he had been travelling in the TARDIS for 60 years when he visited 64, putting his age at 296. (PROSE: Byzantium!) The Doctor spent "centuries" studying at the Time Lord Academy. (COMIC: Mortal Beloved) Magnus chided the Doctor for not regenerating and for holding on to this incarnation as long as he did (COMIC: Flashback). This incarnation regenerated when about 450. (TV: The Tomb of the Cybermen)
Anyhow, about the only thing I know for certain, aside from that the 11th doctor lies, is that 12 has said "I'm over 2000 years old, and not all of them were good"
The way he said it leads me to believe that he really is over 2k years in age, but ultimately, he could be 2001 or he could be 2100 and we really dont know.
Yep, he could be 2999 for all we know or he could be lying as well.
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Paradigm wrote: Well, in Day of the Doctor Smith says 'too old to remember if I'm lying about my age, that's how old I am'. So yeah, I'm not sure he actually knows.
Yeah, I largely agree with the idea that he doesn't really know. Afterall, it's not like he can check the calendar. The only really legit ages we know about are the ones that the Tardis gave, in my opinion, since the tardis should be able to figure that kind of thing out. That puts him at 900+ years minimum (since we know he was 200 or so when he stole the tardis and she said he'd been travelling with her for 700 years).
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Gah, really don't know what to think about tonight's one. Pending a rewatch, I think:
Orphanage bit: good
End of Universe bit: good
Rom-com bits: why?
The last bit (you'll see what bit I mean): For the love of Rassilon make it stop, and leave the show alone!
Spoiler:
I'm really in two minds about it. There were some great themes brought up, proper Who-style taking the mundane and making it freaky, and although some of the ground covered had already been covered by the Silents, or still worked. Similarly, the idea of something existing just to hide and reveal itself to the last living being (or not) was a great one. I loved the ambiguity in both scenes like that.
But I have a real issue with the last scene on Gallifrey, though. 1) Clara is already so involved with the Doctor's life after the 'Impossible Girl' incidents, there's no need to have her be the reason he 'fears the dark' as week is just too far. I'm all for companions changing the Doctor, but preferably during their time with him, rather than hiding under the Child-Doctor's bed. 2) It undermined the earlier ambiguity, and while it didn't actually answer the question, it weighted it heavily towards there being nothing there at all.
I'm also not a fan of Danny possibly being a Plot thing, is it too much to ask for a companion who is just a character?
On the plus side, Capaldi was brilliant and even Coleman gave a good showing, particularly in the orphanage scene.
Overall, I think there was some wasted potential, though. It could easily have been a two parter, the first one making more of the orphanage bits and the second the 'last planet' bit. Plenty of Chills/scares to be had there.
What I don't understand is, shouldn't there have been a few references to the 'Sound of Drums' related episodes too? And the Toclafane. It seemed odd to miss that whole thing out.
