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Chancetragedy wrote:
Yah I just assumed most franchises were worth around a billion dollars. Doesn't surprise me the Browns are as well. Whois the cheapest franchise? Jacksonville?

RAMs the cheapest.

Interesting. What is St. Louis just a baseball town? I figured there would be a lot of crossover.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Interesting. What is St. Louis just a baseball town? I figured there would be a lot of crossover.

If they'ed actually start winning, it'd be something else.

Plus, the owner doesn't own the stadium.

Makes sense. The stadiums account for a huge chunk of money in the equation I'm sure.

So... Cam Newton sucks.

So bad ;p. I gotta stop picking Carolina.

Wow...bad choices in Pick em... but one hell os a showdown in Fantasy..... I won by 1.10.

Eagles sitting on a 7-2, Have GB next. Dallas on bye..... Philly could actually afford a loss and still lead based on Div record.
AFC North is looking tight, that tie may decide that race.
NFC South... gods what is going on down there? They could be sending a losing team into the play offs.

Who was the last 7-9 team to make the playoffs? Was it Seattle? I remember it happening like 2-3 years ago and I feel like it was in the nfc.


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Wow Seattle is the only team to make it at 7-9 without it being a strike shortened season.

Also helgrenze you and Sean's game was sooooooooooo close . I looked away for a half and you had made like 50 points it was crazy.

Oh wow... this is fantasitic:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/11/9/7180957/alabama-trick-play-lsu-brandon-greene

Haha that was good, quite creative. Not quite as good as the Rams trick punt reception but still pretty awesome.

Went to the Jags Cowboys game at Wembley (London) at the weekend, had an absolute blast! Game wasn't as good as the Lions/Falcons last-second game, but still very enjoyable. The Jags just couldn't get to Romo, and a couple of mistakes at bad moments (the dropped punt really swung the momentum), although I thought there wasn't the gulf between the team that the score suggested. Jags were also lacking a little on offence, and specifically thought they needed someone like Bryant - wondered what all of the fuss was about him before, now having seen him in the flesh I can see why; what an athlete, the TV really doesn't convey how fast and powerful some of these guys are.

Will be getting a season ticket for the UK games in 2015 as soon as they go on sale, would love to see a game on US soil as well although will have to do some planning for that one!

According to this site: http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/6/10/5796114/purchase-price-and-current-value-of-each-nfl-franchise

The least expensive teams are 1) Raiders (825 mil), 2) Jags (840 mil), 3) Bills (870 mil), 4) Rams (875 mil), and 5) Lion (900 mil).

All of those teams are combined for 2 billion more than the most expensive team in the league, America's Team, the Cowboys at 2.3 billion.

 Pacific wrote:
Went to the Jags Cowboys game at Wembley (London) at the weekend, had an absolute blast! Game wasn't as good as the Lions/Falcons last-second game, but still very enjoyable. The Jags just couldn't get to Romo, and a couple of mistakes at bad moments (the dropped punt really swung the momentum), although I thought there wasn't the gulf between the team that the score suggested. Jags were also lacking a little on offence, and specifically thought they needed someone like Bryant - wondered what all of the fuss was about him before, now having seen him in the flesh I can see why; what an athlete, the TV really doesn't convey how fast and powerful some of these guys are.

On one side.. You had a team that failed to put up points in 11 consecutive drives. Normally, in an NFL game, you have 11-12 drives in a game.

On the other side, you had a single player put up over 150 yards and 2 tds in the 2nd Q alone. Setting an NFL record for receiving yards in a quarter. After that Bryant was put on the bench to make sure he left London healthy. Romo and Murray (only 19 carries) both left the game with 8 minutes to go. They started resting starters on Defense with 8 minutes to go as well. There was a very big difference in quality. Dallas didn't try to embarrass Jacksonville.

 Pacific wrote:
Will be getting a season ticket for the UK games in 2015 as soon as they go on sale, would love to see a game on US soil as well although will have to do some planning for that one!

If you are going for the experience of seeing a game i recommend attending a college football game instead. Texas-OU at the Cottonbowl and Ohio State vs Michigan (at the Horseshoe) are easily the most electric atmospheres. People some people argue Alabama Auburn but honestly it's overrated. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000363308

If you are looking to attend an NFL game to see the stadiums themselves, I'd recommend the Cowboys stadium because it's pretty ridiculous. You don't have to see an NFL game there either. They host lots of concerts and other events. If you are wanting to specifically see a crazy atmosphere, check out Arrowhead Stadium in KC and Lambeau Field in Green Bay Wisconsin.

dereksatkinson wrote:

If you are going for the experience of seeing a game i recommend attending a college football game instead. Texas-OU at the Cottonbowl and Ohio State vs Michigan (at the Horseshoe) are easily the most electric atmospheres. People some people argue Alabama Auburn but honestly it's overrated. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000363308

If you are looking to attend an NFL game to see the stadiums themselves, I'd recommend the Cowboys stadium because it's pretty ridiculous. You don't have to see an NFL game there either. They host lots of concerts and other events. If you are wanting to specifically see a crazy atmosphere, check out Arrowhead Stadium in KC and Lambeau Field in Green Bay Wisconsin.

1. Oregon/Oregon St. in Eugene... Actually, ANY football game at Autzen stadium is worth it. Also, bring da ear plugs I would also suggest going to a Felon St. v. Miami game as they get pretty intense. I'd probably steer clear of Michigan/ Ohio State, you don't really go on vacation (holiday) to freeze your arse off Also, regardless of your feelings on the issue, Army v. Navy is always a good one to see.


2. Skip Dallas and come up to Seattle to see the 'Hawks play at home (if you can get tickets). Also, from what I've been told, Soldier Field is another place that you really ought to see a good game at. On the plus side, Chicago is a major transportation hub, so should be easy to get to, on the negative side.... it's like Michigan/Ohio State, if you go during the wrong time of the year, it's fething cold!

dereksatkinson wrote:


If you are going for the experience of seeing a game i recommend attending a college football game instead. Texas-OU at the Cottonbowl and Ohio State vs Michigan (at the Horseshoe) are easily the most electric atmospheres. People some people argue Alabama Auburn but honestly it's overrated. http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap2000000363308

Don't sit on night games in Happy Valley (Penn State), Camp Randall (Wisconsin), or in the Bayou (LSU). I've been to night games at two of the three, and the atmosphere is ridiculous. Camp Randall literally shakes at the beginning of the 4th quarter when they play "Jump Around." It's insane.

My first choice, being a Buckeye, would still be the Shoe, however


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

1. Oregon/Oregon St. in Eugene... Actually, ANY football game at Autzen stadium is worth it. Also, bring da ear plugs

I hear that little stadium is quaint

I would also suggest going to a Felon St. v. Miami game as they get pretty intense.

I'd wait until Miami is any good, or make sure the game is in Tallahassee. Miami's attendance is terrible. You'd be better seeing a high school game in Texas than going to a game at Miami lately.

I'd probably steer clear of Michigan/ Ohio State, you don't really go on vacation (holiday) to freeze your arse off

Best rivalry in all of American Football. If you get a chance, go. I've never been to a better football game with a better atmosphere than The Game in 2007 when they were #1 & #2 respectively.

"Death Valley" -- aka Clemson -- has to be near the top of the list also.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

1. Oregon/Oregon St. in Eugene... Actually, ANY football game at Autzen stadium is worth it. Also, bring da ear plugs

I hear that little stadium is quaint

Lol, while it does "only" seat like 50,000 it's construction makes it actually the loudest college specific stadium (as in, Arrowhead and Centurylink both have records for being louder, but no colleges really call those fields home) in the country

I've only been to games at old Foxboro stadium, new Foxboro, and old Joe Robbie in Miami. None of them were that memorable unless you are into those 2 teams.

I've never been to an NFL game... I've been to more NHL games than I have NFL... I just started watching hockey two years ago... :-\

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've never been to an NFL game... I've been to more NHL games than I have NFL... I just started watching hockey two years ago... :-\

'Cuz hockey is a better sport.

Ok, I will agree on a visit to the Tundra (Lambeau in Nov-Dec), But Franklin Field (U Penn) and the Linc in Philly, That's some energy there.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've never been to an NFL game... I've been to more NHL games than I have NFL... I just started watching hockey two years ago... :-\

Jackets or Pens?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I've never been to an NFL game... I've been to more NHL games than I have NFL... I just started watching hockey two years ago... :-\

Jackets or Pens?

He's Senators fan.

Dereksatkinson and the rest of the guys who commented, thanks very much for the tips.

Have just started watching some College football (seems to be a lot more of it on UK cable TV these days), the games definitely look a lot more random!

 Pacific wrote:

Have just started watching some College football (seems to be a lot more of it on UK cable TV these days), the games definitely look a lot more random!

Well, with college you have a smaller set of games per season, and each game is more important individually than in the NFL, because of the ranking system. Combine this with there being something like 120 "FCS" schools there is going to naturally be some pretty major disparity between the top and bottom schools. Plus, you also have the FBS, which used to be known as DII and DIII where smaller schools compete against each other.

I greatly prefer NFL football to major college football. College football has far too many Bambi vs. Godzilla moments. And that's *exactly* the way college football likes it -- powerhouse programs and sacrificial lambs.

And it's a stinking cesspool. It's hard to imagine organizations more hypocritical than football-playing universities. Look at all the backstabbing involved with conference realignment, etc. Look at how they acquire and retain talent -- bags of money under the table to parents and HS coaches, "hostesses" for recruits on their visits, boosters creating fake "jobs" for players or giving them cars, the involvement of street agents and various hustlers, etc.

All this even as they yammer on about their not-for-profit educational missions and ivy-covered halls. At least the NFL is actually interested in a competitive product, and keeps its greedy, money-grubbing ways above-board as a legitimate business.

Need players in the NFL? You utilize an above-board draft and free agency system. Need players in FBS football? Cheat, cheat, cheat.

 gorgon wrote:
I greatly prefer NFL football to major college football. College football has far too many Bambi vs. Godzilla moments. And that's *exactly* the way college football likes it -- powerhouse programs and sacrificial lambs.

And it's a stinking cesspool. It's hard to imagine organizations more hypocritical than football-playing universities. Look at all the backstabbing involved with conference realignment, etc. Look at how they acquire and retain talent -- bags of money under the table to parents and HS coaches, "hostesses" for recruits on their visits, boosters creating fake "jobs" for players or giving them cars, the involvement of street agents and various hustlers, etc.

All this even as they yammer on about their not-for-profit educational missions and ivy-covered halls. At least the NFL is actually interested in a competitive product, and keeps its greedy, money-grubbing ways above-board as a legitimate business.

Need players in the NFL? You utilize an above-board draft and free agency system. Need players in FBS football? Cheat, cheat, cheat.

Not to mention how quickly things will get brushed under the rug... Violate team, conference and NCAA rules? Keep playing while we "investigate" the incidents (Jameis Winston)

I won't say any one school is "worse" than another regarding this, it's just that some schools are terrible at keeping it under wraps.... At the same time, there's a reason why some schools "earn" their poor nicknames, like Felon State has.

Futility distilled in one post:
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2014/11/13/7207871/st-louis-rams-austin-davis-sam-bradford

I haz a sad now.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
1. Oregon/Oregon St. in Eugene... Actually, ANY football game at Autzen stadium is worth it. Also, bring da ear plugs I would also suggest going to a Felon St. v. Miami game as they get pretty intense. I'd probably steer clear of Michigan/ Ohio State, you don't really go on vacation (holiday) to freeze your arse off Also, regardless of your feelings on the issue, Army v. Navy is always a good one to see.

I think that Oregon/Oregon state is an overrated rivalry. Up until recently, neither team was playing for much. home/home rivalry games are also not nearly as fun as neutral site games.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
2. Skip Dallas and come up to Seattle to see the 'Hawks play at home (if you can get tickets).

There is absolutely nothing special about that stadium. Seattle only sells out their stadium when they have a good team and when they don't they have to pump noise through the sound system (and sometimes they do it when they are good too).

I would avoid the PacNW simply because there really isn't any sort of sight seeing to do. Plus the weather is crappy and is one of the reasons why they have the highest suicide rate in the US. I lived up there for 8 years and wouldn't recommend putting it anywhere near the top of the list for someone to visit if they were coming to the states for the 1st time.




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 Pacific wrote:
Dereksatkinson and the rest of the guys who commented, thanks very much for the tips.

Have just started watching some College football (seems to be a lot more of it on UK cable TV these days), the games definitely look a lot more random!

The reason why I am recommending college games to ATTEND is because of the atmosphere. Real rivalry games make NFL games look like cheap imitations.

The classic Harvard-Yale game, Oklahoma-Texas "Red River Rivalry", Oklahoma-Ok State "Bedlam" Are a few I can recall that are always packed. Great atmosphere.