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I wasn't being all that negative, at least i didnt mean to be negative. (well the 6 weeks thing was.) 4-5 custom ets a year would be cool. As long as we can also buy the character models outside of the box sets.

willb2064 wrote:
Ugh. Sold out already. Hopefully GW will do another run of it. They seem to have drastically underestimated demand again.

Or they are happy with only 2000-5000 customers and don't need or want anymore.

 Kanluwen wrote:

willb2064 wrote:
Ugh. Sold out already. Hopefully GW will do another run of it. They seem to have drastically underestimated demand again.

The preorders are sold out. That is the allocation to the webstore, not to stores themselves.

Thank you! I've said this so many times that I should just make a macro for it.


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Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?

 pretre wrote:
Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?

Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?

Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.

Starter set is a set for people who are starting the game. Includes templates.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?

Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.

Actually since this box does not contain templates or measuring sticks it would be a poor starter set. It is not an all you need box.

Edit....it also does not have dice.

So its either not a starter, or a poorly planned one.

Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).

 vadersson wrote:
Third, I hope GW takes the quick sell out as a sign that people want minis at a lower price.

GW knows that people want minis at a lower price.





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 SmurfInABlender wrote:
I think people on this forum are underestimating the demand. You assume they only made 4-5k, but the demand could have been way higher than expectations because Wolves have been itching for new models and this deal was FANTASTIC.

Wolves players got one new model in this box... A Wolf Lord, on foot - so something that can be easily made anyway from the regular Space Wolves sprue, if you actually need one, which most people won't because Rune Priests and Wolf Priests are better options unless you're taking a Thunderwolf...

I work in advertising so lets see if I can shed light on this:[/b]

You don't need a marketing degree to see that GW don't really understand their customers.


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 Red Corsair wrote:
Am I the only one who after looking at Gruk Face Rippas sprue, has the incredible urge to put the attack squigs face on Gruks body?

I had the same immediate thought when I saw the sprue

I assume GW want to get people buying this so they will be tempted to start a new army and not just to fuel a secondary market on ebay, so the limited release makes sense to me.

xowainx wrote:
Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).

Where is it confirmed that DV is coming back? I sure hope so, because starters are important for inducting new players in this expensive hobby.

I'm sure many of us are still waiting to purchase an inexpensive and light rule book rather than the BRB. Updating the old DV with new rule set should be simple and inexpensive.

 SabrX wrote:

xowainx wrote:
Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).

Where is it confirmed that DV is coming back? I sure hope so, because starters are important for inducting new players in this expensive hobby.

I'm sure many of us are still waiting to purchase an inexpensive and light rule book rather than the BRB. Updating the old DV with new rule set should be simple and inexpensive.

White Dwarf of this week puts next week's issue as:

Urban Warfare

Dark Vengeance

Hall of Fame

Had one of my Dark Sphere pre-orders get cancelled and refunded today... will see if the other one lasts the week. Hopefully the local GW Manager can get of the other two for me, still happy to buy it at full GW Price if I can get them.

It's available for pre order on the Belgian and UK sites again,USA is still No Longer Available

I'm new to 40k. Would stormclaw be a good jumping on point or DV?

 Malkaven wrote:
I'm new to 40k. Would stormclaw be a good jumping on point or DV?

Depends on what army you want, both are great for starting.

I'd buy Stormclaw because the 2 Characters are cool and it comes with the rules for 2 formations.

The only thing you need to keep in mind is Stormclaw doesn't come with templates/dice. Which aren't expensive, but you need them.

DV= Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels

Stormclaw=Space Wolves and Orks

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Malkaven wrote:
I'm new to 40k. Would stormclaw be a good jumping on point or DV?

Depends on what army you want, both are great for starting.

I'd buy Stormclaw because the 2 Characters are cool and it comes with the rules for 2 formations.

The only thing you need to keep in mind is Stormclaw doesn't come with templates/dice. Which aren't expensive, but you need them.

DV= Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels

Stormclaw=Space Wolves and Orks

Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?

 Malkaven wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Malkaven wrote:
I'm new to 40k. Would stormclaw be a good jumping on point or DV?

Depends on what army you want, both are great for starting.

I'd buy Stormclaw because the 2 Characters are cool and it comes with the rules for 2 formations.

The only thing you need to keep in mind is Stormclaw doesn't come with templates/dice. Which aren't expensive, but you need them.

DV= Chaos Space Marines and Dark Angels

Stormclaw=Space Wolves and Orks

Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?

Well you could always play solo, but it would be similar to playing Checkers or Chess solo.

It's made for 2 players, head to head, they look to be interesting to play from what I saw in the White Dwarf discussion on them.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.

Watch ebay, man.

 Malkaven wrote:

Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?

The "campaign" in Stormclaw are what I guess you could call "PvP"?

According to White Dwarf it is 3 missions that use different parts of the box at different times, culminating in a final mission that uses everything.


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 Whumbachumba wrote:
Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.

It is apparently something similar to the Dark Vengeance box, where you have a "small campaign booklet" that walks you through that single set.

Most likely it will be rolled into the second volume of Sanctus Reach.

I wonder how much the Mini dex will go for. Im not going to pay 75 dollars for a book with artwork that's recycled in one, and hobby tips I can get for free online. Also I question its longevity, since they have proved their willingness to abandon ship for more profit so soon into the life of an edition.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Malkaven wrote:

Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?

The "campaign" in Stormclaw are what I guess you could call "PvP"?

According to White Dwarf it is 3 missions that use different parts of the box at different times, culminating in a final mission that uses everything.


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 Whumbachumba wrote:
Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.

It is apparently something similar to the Dark Vengeance box, where you have a "small campaign booklet" that walks you through that single set.

Most likely it will be rolled into the second volume of Sanctus Reach.

See, that scares me, only because I want to pick up the Sanctus Reach books for the fluff and Imperial stuff, but I don't want to buy them all and then have a "complete edition" come out later for a reduced price.

Also, this IS GW, so it my vary well be that those sheets are gone when the sets are gone.

I don't think they're going to do a "complete edition" that does not include novellas.

 Orock wrote:
I wonder how much the Mini dex will go for. Im not going to pay 75 dollars for a book with artwork that's recycled in one, and hobby tips I can get for free online. Also I question its longevity, since they have proved their willingness to abandon ship for more profit so soon into the life of an edition.

For the next month $20-30.
A year from now $15-20

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40K-Sanctus-Reach-Stormclaw-The-Rules-and-supplement-New-Ships-21-07-14-/251587191179?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item3a93c3e18b

I spoke to the guy who runs a local GW store on Friday about the new boxset. He told me that this isn't the new starter set, but a boxset to support the new campaign. A new starter set would have things that have already been mentioned such as dice, templates etc. He also said that if it was a new starter set, it wouldn't have a limited run. The way it was explained to me is that this box is try and encourage people into a new army whether they be new to the hobby or existing, by using a campagin to get them more intersted. To back it up, he also said he will still be selling Dark Vengeance alongside this boxset.

Not sure if this helps or not?

Cheers.

If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.

 Skinnereal wrote:
If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.

So, about a day then.

 Skinnereal wrote:
If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.

From what I understood from what I was being told, DV will be replaced with a new starter box later in the year. In my store anyway, DV is still on the shelves even with this new box coming out, as they are considered by GW as different things (one is a starter set, one is a campaign boxset).

Basically this new boxset is GW trying a new(ish) sales angle. By that I mean, if this boxset and campaign release go well, we will see more new campagins with boxset releases in the future.

 Spuj wrote:
From what I understood from what I was being told, DV will be replaced with a new starter box later in the year.

They're replacing DV with just more DV, only with the correct rulebook this time.

yeah,
I've heard rumours that the re-released DV will have another exclusive mini.

Panic...