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Theophony wrote:@djh2121, back on March 9th they stated

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Thank you @Sentopnaut.
Yes, the items will be later made available via our webstore individually (the fantasy Griffantropii will go in packs of three), but the pre-orders we are currently taking will have to ship first before normal retail is available.

Which to me suggests they have already looked at the package totals, costs to assemble boxes of each tier and ship them in X container size, and manpower it would take. To add an a-la-carte option would add considerable amount of time, labor and cost to get all options out the door, not to mention any possible mispicks that would add further costs and I’ll will to a new growing manufacturer. Mantic games still struggles with this and one of the reasons I won’t touch them any more. They continue to run kickstarters with add what you want to your order and that’s where they get into unplanned issues. SW is using a KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach to this with this to ensure fewer problems at delivery. Cutting back on options is a clear showing of that and a great way of saving headaches later.

I thought we'd made this abundantly clear, but, for the benefit of anyone still in doubt, we are NOT suggesting SW open up the pre-orders to a la carte options. What we are suggesting is that SW consider adding a fifth option with the very specific contents of 40 infantry and 4 tanks. We are suggesting SW do this because it is our contention that we find none of the current sci-fi packages truly compelling, and we suspect that there are others like us. We find the packages uncompelling because we believe they do not provide the ability to construct a playable army. We are disappointed because our expectation, based on the KS and subsequent communication, was that a package consisting of a playable army would be made available at some point in the future before going to retail. We believe the core problem making the current sci-fi pre-order packages unplayable is their attempt to mirror the fantasy packages in form too rigidly. We are therefore offering an alternative formulation, which, admittedly naively, seems financially viable. We believe that this alternative would resolve the issues we have pointed out, could easily be split among multiple parties (which SW advised we consider for Laura though this doesn't resolve the problems we've noted) for those who desire a smaller package but still desire the aesthetically well received tanks, is naturally suited for double orders from those who want an extra large army, and would therefore engender good-will among the community as well as result in more and larger pre-orders for SW.

Granted, based on other feedback we've seen, it's probable that we'll still see a non-trivial number of individuals wait until the last minute to decide whether to place pre-orders. They'll want to see any additional images, renders, etc. that SW has said they will try to put out. Nevertheless, having a very appealing sci-if package on offer will certainly convince more fence sitters to buy in than would otherwise. As for the notion that none of this can be done because the pre-orders have already started, it's certainly true that SW would have to offer anyone who's made a pre-order the ability to switch to the new package. However, we've assembled our proposed package as an alternative to Laura. Therefore, any such switch would be no worse than revenue neutral for SW. Such order adjustments would, of course, take some work on SW's part, but then again they might also make some additional money on up-sales as well.

Now, since only SW can give a meaningful reply to our points, and will most certainly need time to work out such a reply, I see no reason to engage in speculative debate over them while we wait. We will have an answer soon enough.

PourSpelur wrote:
Brass tacks time.
I want a Not-Sisters army. About 1 tank per 10 infantry, give or take. I was in for the Kickstarter and would love to be in for the pre-order. Shieldwolf isn't offering what I want at this time.
I'm out.
I've literally begged you to let me give you money. I get the opportunity to wait and pay full retail. I was more than happy to pay early and wait for product, both on Kickstarter and on pre-order. Kickstarter had good value and was killed. Pre-order offer now is a joke.
Good luck, you're gonna need it. You had a good idea, a solid lead on the competition and a lot of Goodwill from the community. Looks like you've wasted 2 of the 3 in my case.

Ditto, I'm out too.

 Theophony wrote:
SW is using a KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach to this with this to ensure fewer problems at delivery. Cutting back on options is a clear showing of that and a great way of saving headaches later.

This. We mean to deliver by October 25th. If we are going to make this work and use it as basis for future similar offers (wolf sisters should follow soon after according to current plans), then we might as well augment our chances of success. That's one of the reasons we pulled back the 260euro option to keep things reasonably sized; it still hasn't stopped people from adding multiples in their orders. I have to note again, this offer will cease to exist once we hit the release date.

PourSpelur wrote:
I want a Not-Sisters army. About 1 tank per 10 infantry, give or take. I was in for the Kickstarter and would love to be in for the pre-order. Shieldwolf isn't offering what I want at this time.

Agreed that we aren't offerring what you'd like at this time, but to be clear we never offered that before either; I looked again at the KS offer and that was 4 boxes of 10 minis each, one resin heroine and 1 tank with a weapon upgrade for 100$. Now it's something more than double that for 160euros. No eventual stretch goals but free shipping worldwide instead and halved delivery time, not to mention it's a pre-order and not a Kickstarter (buyer's protection). Could the KS stretch goals get to an even larger value for money? Perhaps it could, but that was certainly not guaranteed nor are there any fail safes with what we are offering today.

PourSpelur wrote:
[...] I get the opportunity to wait and pay full retail.

"Full retail" is still very competitive compared to what we usually see in the market.

PourSpelur wrote:
Kickstarter had good value and was killed. Pre-order offer now is a joke.

We will agree to disagree.

@angel of death @djh2121 @PourSpleur
We are honored you're interested in our company and have directly engaged with us (with some constructive arguments may I add), and while we are truly sorry you feel we haven't adequately responded to your request, we knew that we wouldn't be able to please everyone. Regardless of what may seem reading comments in this forum, we are very pleased with how preorders have gone so far and see no reason to alter how things stand without causing more problems instead. We can only hope that once items hit retail you'll find the offerings juicy enough for future purchases compared to what doesn't satisfy you now.
This week we'll try uploading more images of what we are currently working on. :-)

@SW Sorry guys, but if that's the final word on this, then I am taking a hard pass on the SoF and washing my hands of this project. It's a bit odd to be in this position given that I was so enthusiastic about you're KS campaign that I made your pledge calculator spreadsheet for you. A task that was a fair bit of work. Now though, to say that I am less than keen on this particular venture would be a bit of an understatement.

Before I go though, I will, as a last act of charity, offer you some lessons that you can add to those learned from the original KS.

I suggest that you go back and read the KS Update #13 or what I will call "the apology". Read this letter as if you were a supporter for the SoF with no inside information on the inner workings of the company. When it is promised that the project will relaunch with only a single faction Tallerium/Faith would you assume that this means that the project would be relaunched with the pledge levels that were available for those factions during the campaign or with those that were available for the Wolves?

Either way you answer that question you've either failed to communicate your plans to individuals such as Pour and Angel, or failed to understand their expectations and desires. As a result, you've offered them something different to what they were expecting, and they, quite understandable, feel extremely raw over this matter. In fact, I hear in their voices the type of anger that lead one individual to burn his entire WHFB army when GW decided to end-times the whole universe. This is important because the correct alternative to not trying to please everyone isn't to anger some people so badly that they are willing to literally or figuratively torch their connections to your company. Generally speaking, this fiery reaction I'm seeing can be put down to failures in the aspects of marketing that involve gauging consumer interest, managing customer expectations, and engaging in clear communication. If you still wondering why your willingness to, as you put it in update 14, invest tens of thousands of pounds, has not translated into a wider uptake by the community, then I would begin by looking at these three areas and asking yourselves what you could do better. Perhaps even bringing in a marketing consultant familiar with your industry could help you get started on this.

Please understand that I am not making these critiques out of anger. Rather, I am simply disappointed that a project, which held so much promise, has, to my mind, being repeatedly undermined due these elementary marketing mistakes. Despite our differences, I still wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. Take care.

I will preoder something Fantasy, and probably 1 box of Sci-Fi sisters.

I am tempted by the Big Fantasy package, but the Griffon-Ogres need some work.

I think they are a great concept and I love the Halberds, but there is too much armour and the hands look far too human.

There are some nice Tengu miniatures out there, and if the Griffantropii can look a bit more like them, I would be happy.

It is also nice to see some Greek looking names.

@angel of death @djh2121 @PourSpleur
We are honored you're interested in our company and have directly engaged with us (with some constructive arguments may I add), and while we are truly sorry you feel we haven't adequately responded to your request, we knew that we wouldn't be able to please everyone. Regardless of what may seem reading comments in this forum, we are very pleased with how preorders have gone so far and see no reason to alter how things stand without causing more problems instead. We can only hope that once items hit retail you'll find the offerings juicy enough for future purchases compared to what doesn't satisfy you now.
This week we'll try uploading more images of what we are currently working on. :-)

@ SW
Well we will see what prices your tank kits roll out at..... at retail. Maybe they will be all that and be the affordable difference... or maybe you will just be another overseas company that will charge like $40 a tank and another $15 to ship it. Only real reason to back a pre order or kickstarter is value. You offer free shipping and value but not the product people want. Then you say wait for retail.... so we can pay full price and some obnoxious overseas shipping. No thanks. You can do just the same as most European businesses do.. put out their products, have no clue on distribution and stay small scale. And keep dreaming of the riches that some of your competitors who LISTEN on Kickstarter and else where obtain because they provide what their customers want. This whole experience has been a big slap in the face.

Your a small company, in a competative market, trying to make maximum bank by producing a product that a larger company doesn't offer (yet) only you can't even get that right. No new ideas, no willingness to get past your own stubbornness and take critisim what a great business model. And the few supporters you do have you take the arrogant route with because it is my way or the highway. GW attitude without GW power. Good luck with that. Even the massive giant GW learned recently to start listening, somewhat, to their customers.

I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
Here's a gift most of us rarely receive, a polite explanation of where we lost our path.
1) The numbers you quote to prove the pre-order is a good deal are disingenuous at best. You claim the KS offer was $100 for 4, ten girl squads and a tank. You missed a key element. The "Doubling" goal where those boxes go from ten to twenty (the same 20 bodies every other kit you produce has) If this "doubling" hadn't happened by the last day, I and I'd guess a large portion of backers would have dropped. So we're left with this math
KS: 80 Sisters, 1 Tank for $100 plus shipping.
Pre-Order: 80 Sisters, 2 Tanks for $197.13 free shipping.

Telling me that this is a comparable deal is looking me in the eye and telling me I'm too stupid to add.

Even without the doubling goal, I was more interested by getting 1 tank and 40 troops, and adding a 2nd tank as add-on, than getting 2 tanks and more troops than I can field.

@angel of death
Tanks will be more like 45 euros each, we stated that elsewhere too I think. I take it you have not received something we make, quality has costs I'm afraid. (or you have received from some third party we cast for and simply don't know we were the ones who casted it!)
Our pricings haven't stopped people buying e.g. our lions, polar bears and war mammoth which have not stopped selling ever since they came out, I shouldn't even be telling you this. We are pretty confident our tank range will have a similar fate, if not we would naturally not be spending nor pricing the way we do. Unlike what some people may think, we do not need Kickstarter to grow, it does help us however to grow faster.
As for shipping, strange you say that for our P&P policy; 3,90euros Zone-1, 5,90euros Zone-2, free shipping over 60 euros worldwide. We find these are very reasonable charges for P&P, I'm sorry if you find that "obnoxious".
We hope you'll come around to see it our way and we'd be happy to service you in future projects.

@PouSpetur

PourSpelur wrote:
[...]Telling me that this is a comparable deal is looking me in the eye and telling me I'm too stupid to add.

I will not disagree with you that is not a comparable deal, you are correct. You will allow me to debate that It is not a valid comparison however as it does not take into account registered pledges of 65,000$. Not to mention the Kickstarter exposure.
Shieldwolf took the risk even if it ended up selling a single box...

@Samko
Agreed, that would be great for some people who would be interested in that but it is not currently an option. For a single buyer. Two buyers splitting the Laura level though is just as good (actually it is even better, considering P&P is free and the heroines included), and we already know of people having done that. One can always add more tanks later if he wants to, we already have stated they will be individually be made available via normal retail. :-)


Guys, at the end of the day it is what it is. The deals we find honestly more than good. If it's not what you are looking for though, then we take this feedback you have provided and will see to provide future deals structured in a different manner perhaps. No hard feelings from anyone, it's only a preorder after all. :-)
To move on, we have received a work in progress of the Matriarch compared to the (almost finished) Sister of Faith Army Banner Bearer, we hope you like it. BIG is the correct term here... :-D



Edit: Forgot!
@StygianBeach
We liked the concept of the Griffantropii. And yes, Greek names ")
If believe they will be well received, in case they do better than expected we will augment the minis of their faction. Another faction has priority though, being casted as we speak :-)

One of the things that drew me to the kickstarter were the kickass and affordable tanks at 40 dollars a tank (and four included in the 200 dollar pledge). At 45 euros a tank it's too expensive to justify buying one at retail. Especially since the preacher looks underwhelming compared to some of your previous designs.

Basically, if I buy the Sisters of Faith, I'd end up buying stuff from your competitors to complete my army. So yeah, a fifth sci-fi level with more tanks would be great.

On another topic, do you plan to include options to arm the Sisters with heavy weapons? I think you mentioned machine guns somewhere.

@Inirian
Tanks would have had the benefit of large numbers because of the pledges collected via Kickstarter, here instead we are now walking into the unknown basing our belief that the community will stand by our side.
As for the heavy weapons, according to our research people asked for this kit to include various heavy weapons. We try our best to service them, thus we have designed options for a heavy machine gun, a heavy flaming gun and a heavy plasma gun. We don't know yet however many of each design (i.e.sculpt) and how many in number will go to each box, a minimum of one of each for sure. If people like what we do, it is reasonable to presume that more will be available in the future.

It will be interesting to see how well these Sisters do now that Wargame Exclusive is pumping out Sisters models as well. Both them and Raging Heroes will have been delivering product for a good while before these reach the market, even the preorders. The tanks are a good distinguishing point, but at 45 euro, I'm not sure that will be enough.

I'm in for some Matriarchs once they reach retail, but I don't need all those extra sisters in the Isabella bundle. :(

Bring on the Arachnomaidens!

@Shieldwolf - random question, but are you able to give an estimate of how tall (in mm) the Pillar of Faith tank will measure?

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Hello everyone,

we have had a bit of an initial overflow of work so only today we started re-connecting with the forums. I will try my best answering your questions, I apologize in prioris if I miss anything just point it out, I certainly won't avoid anything on puspose and will try to be as clear and helpful as possible. :-)

 Azazelx wrote:
Did anyone notice what the timeframe for the pre-orders is? i.e: When they close?

We haven't decided yet due to our main priority is making sure everything is on track to deliver on time and we are focusing our energy there. It will be open minimum by April 5th.

 Azazelx wrote:
Also, any chance of sprue shots? Since this is a pre-order of retail product with all of the pretense of KS (KS is not a store, etc) pushed aside, I very much want to see what I'm buying before I'm willing to lay my cash down.

Fair argument but the tooling is going to take a few months I'm afraid, if the sprues were readythen we'd have gone straight to retail and there wouldn't be a discounted pre-order like the one running now.

 Azazelx wrote:
The shieldmaidens were/are good, but not entirely what was shown during the KS campaign, ans given my qualms about aspects of the last Sisters design during the KS, and those freaky shoulderpads, I absolutely do want to see the sprues and more detailed renders first.

And that's exactly the reason we are very cautious in not showing absolutely anything that might for whatever reason NOT make it to the final sprues. People having seen what we make can relatively safely presume there will be bodies, tabards, arms, weaponry (more than the Shieldmaiden kit), heads, a few ornaments etc on the sprues of the final product. As for the quality, we have no reason to doubt is going to be anything less than what was delivered by now.

djh2121 wrote:
It appears the general consensus is that the pre-order is interesting, but lacking in needed detail. I'd have to agree. To put it terms perhaps a bit to harsh it seems we don't know exactly what we are pre-ordering, when we can pre-order it, or the cost to pre-order vs buying normal retail. I think the more SW can do to address these gaps in our knowledge the more motivated I might feel to place a pre-order. I hope this bit of feedback helps.

Your opinion is very rational and appreciated. It's true we haven't provided too many details but (in our way of thinking at least) that's also why we are ultra-discounting the deals though, to reward those who still believe we'll pull this through nicely without them having seen the final product.

In the nicest possible way then, you need to show us lots more renders. Both "Assembled" models as well as shots of individual components. Not "cool" fish-eye, low-angle ones that play havoc with the proportions, either.
As you've said now many times, it's not a KS - so the value isn't nearly the same as it was before the cancelled campaign, and we have little to no opportunity to input feedback. The Shieldmaidens were nice, but missing expected components, arms and options.

Therefore, a "trust us, it'll be ace, just look at how good the shieldmaidens were" promise really isn't a good enough proposition to throw money at you guys. I've certainly got the money to spend, but I don't possess blind faith towards anyone or anything and I don't throw money blindly at the screen at something when I don't know what it will actually be. I'd be potentially looking at almost 500euros. I need more images and information to spend that kind of cash. Especially months in advance.

If you have the 3d models made for the figures then I'd hope you can show us decent, clear component shots of the parts that are guaranteed to be included. Legs, torsos, backpacks, shoulder pads, heads, weapons, arms, etc. Anything that is speculative can be omitted under the "+ more cool stuff" heading if you're very wary of showing them.

@skarsol
Yeah, we noticed the other companies coming out too for the Sci-Fi this period which competes with our Sisters of Faith (haven't noticed anything regarding our Sisters of Talliareum). We found it (very) strange how these other companies entered this market area as we had publicly announced we'd be following up on that part of the project, so perhaps they missed that or for some reason beyond our comprehension thought we would change our minds? Still fact remains it will somewhat decimate sales for everyone involved (not the the smartest thing to do for smaller companies in a niche market), so I guess the losing side will have to start offerring even better deals to be able to compete and make up part of that loss. One has to sell outside of Kickstarter to make the product viable. End of October we'll be selling 20 multi-part hard plastic minis for like 25-30 euros per box, we currently see nobody being able to challenge that.
Then again, that was their decision so, by all means, let the best prevail! :-D (or, a saying we have here in Greece, the sun comes out for everyone, so, fair game!)

Aracnomaidens are being sculpted so not much I can show, still Work in Progress I'm afraid.


@Sentionaut
I'll enquire and get back to you on this :-)

@Azazelx
I accept this line of reasoning very much and appreciate the input. Then again my hands are somewhat tied at least these days, especially because this is a pre-order and not a crowddfunding campaign, thus buyer's protection is in force. We will be showing more stuff included before closing the pre-order period, but it's still going to take a few weeks before the a good portion of the final layout is determined. We will not be going through the "no spears" thing again, you were a backer in that project and you followed what happened. We will add eventually an upgrade sprue for the Shieldmaidens (not only because we mean to have the backers happy but we also spent a good sum of money that people seem to forget in trying to add them, regardless of that not producing the end results desired).
Bottom line we don't want to state too many things for the pre-order phase and have people imagining more than we can offer. For the Sisters of Faith we aim at offering a "all I need" box, as for the Sisters of Talliareum the options again will be ample.
Kindly allow us a couple of weeks time and we will be revealing more definitive stuff, that's all I'm allowed to promise for the time being. :-)

Sure, but you do know that traditional pre-orders for product don't ask buyers to buy blind, which is essentially what you're asking us to do here. Traditional pre-orders show the entire contents of the product in question, and often to do months and months out. (Not GW with their one-week window)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "buyer's protection" I know PayPal gives you 6 months these days, but it would be pushing it to expect it to protect buyers from "no spears".

I've got no problem waiting a few weeks for more images. My only potential issue there would be if the pre-order window was to be too small once substantial product images are actually available. I'd call what you've shown so far to be "teaser" images at best.

Best of luck!

Thank you Azazelx, I know you mean the best for us.

We will be notifying at least 2 weeks prior to closing the pre-order period, I hope that helps. :-)

Huzzah for the Arachno-peoples! Any idea on what pricing will be?

@skarsol
I'm afraid I can't answer you at this period of time.

@Sentinoaut
(working on that request, I think by tomorrow I'll have your answer)

Here you go :-)

Awesome, thank you!

Looking forward to purchasing your miniatures

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Here you go :-)

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Just looking at the dozer blade on this and imo and quite pos if done IRL the blade would be a bit wider at least to protect and push stuff out the way of the tracks,

Its nice to finally hear the estimated retail costs as that at least gives me an idea of the savings on your pre-orders and the $160 pack seems to be saving $50-60 dollars which is pretty good,

Now we need to see more info/renders etc of the troops etc and without sounding to harsh you are going retail and not KS, with that route at min you need to have at least full renders of the troops and the builds possible from the box of 20 troops, people dont take "risks" with retail like KS, when backing "blind" on KS you was rewarded very nicely with excellent value pledges and freebies for doing so, but not many pre-order "blind" consumers like to know exactly what they are buying when they pay for it, you dont pay upfront blindly for a new car design from a manufacturer on the promise its going to be really cool when its finished in 6 months, just take a look at all your competitors in the hobby when they have pre-orders all the minis are shown in their full splendour in at least renders, then sprue layout and fully professionally painted minis/3D prints.

That tank is....massive. I kinda love it

 Original Timmy wrote:
Just looking at the dozer blade on this and imo and quite pos if done IRL the blade would be a bit wider at least to protect and push stuff out the way of the tracks

You have a valid point, well, a mistep from our side I guess as this is our first endevour in the science fiction market; on the plus side the dozer blade will be optional (i.e. separate piece) so if it doesn't look good/functional one may choose to leave it out.

 Original Timmy wrote:
Its nice to finally hear the estimated retail costs as that at least gives me an idea of the savings on your pre-orders and the $160 pack seems to be saving $50-60 dollars which is pretty good,

More like $70 saving (for Tier-4, Laura and Simona) I think :-)
We think that offering a very good % discount is essential for this type of pre-order, not to mention maintaining the quality standards.

 Original Timmy wrote:
Now we need to see more info/renders etc of the troops etc

Very true! We are working on it! :-)

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
Here you go :-)

That looks great

As I have ordered at Tier 4 - I get the bits for this right?

Tank looks great. I agree it feels like the dozer blade should be wider. How about an alternate V-shaped blade, kind of like you see on some snow plows? like this?

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:
Just looking at the dozer blade on this and imo and quite pos if done IRL the blade would be a bit wider at least to protect and push stuff out the way of the tracks

You have a valid point, well, a mistep from our side I guess as this is our first endevour in the science fiction market; on the plus side the dozer blade will be optional (i.e. separate piece) so if it doesn't look good/functional one may choose to leave it out.

Any particular reason you wouldn't enlarge it to be more realistic given the lead time on all of this?

@Azazelx
Very simple explanation actually, because that specific part has unfortunately already been printed and put in production (currently in a mold to make the master mold out of it). Unlike single miniatures (characters), the tanks take a very long time to produce given their size so they took priority compared to everything else (some of it are being sculpted as we speak!), there's lots of work placed behind what we do that's certainly never made visible; timeframes, tests, fixes, relative comparisons with other of our products, pricings, research, lawyer visits etc. We also said we mean to deliver on time and that we shall.
If it was obnoxiously wrong I'm sure we'd agree and add even more work to make it in time to replace it completely but I think you'll agree with me that's not the case here. It is a slight mistep, fair argument, we won't debate on it and we have to fold our cards. :-)

We might need to also note that the lead time isn't as big as one might come to believe since the female paladins aren't the only thing we have on our schedule, despite them being two full armies which is a big endevour by itself. Our company has a vision that expands to various sectors and thus inevitably needs to plan ahead, despite of things not going always as planned -part of the beauty of life I guess! :-) ... Compared to the large companies of the sector e.g. Citadel Miniatures, Fantasy Flight Games or Privateer Press, there's specific (or extremely limited if you prefer) manpower in Shieldwolf Miniatures compared to these, despite our plans of expansion it's going to take many years to even get close to them. Overpromising and underdelivering is something we try to avoid at all costs, reputation is everything to us and even trying our best we too sometimes don't suceed as much as we'd hope too. :-)
We hold a very strong reputation producing for third parties (mainly Spain, France and Poland) which we mean to keep intact (these services we offer are also a substantial revenue source of the company). We provide 100% free prize support (P&P included) for around 5-10 tournaments worldwide every month [this past week alone we mailed to Ontario and Zagreb (T9A), Seattle (KoW), and Athens (AoS)]. We try keeping our contact service responsive and quick as possible. We have the Forest Goblin campaign we are working on. We have more releases going to direct retail this year. Plus we have other things in mind that we are working on (e.g. terrain) and will probably be revealing later this year also. That's a pretty tight schedule and we mean to see it through :-)

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@Mr. Morden
Affirmative.
@rayphoton
Thak you.
@Necros
If people like the concept (perhaps even put into vote to check on popularity) we can always make a couple of variations available in the future, sure :-)

If it's too bad you could make a mould for some "dozer blade add-ons" to get that bit of added coverage putting them on the sides of the already casted ones, right?

@Albertorius
I don't know how that would look but that's certainly a great and (at first glance very) effective idea! :-D