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Also, aren't we dealing with two different materials here? Starting to get their HP sprues right isn't an indicator that restic quality concerns have gone away.


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 Ahtman wrote:


I never stated that it was something only Mantic did, but that it is far from common, which it is. The number of companies on KS that go past 2 is in the minority...

Well let's be fair. Kickstarter is still a reasonably new thing, and there's nothing to say that, in time, the companies on KS that only have 2 at present will stick to that.

Would have bought in to this if I hadn't already bought Descent 2 (which is a great and beautiful game which I love). Considering that in Sweden, Descent is $77 at the best and cheapest discount store and between $101-$116 at normal retail pricing, this seems like quite a deal from where I am standing.

Mantic has also dropped in the comments that plastic dungeon furniture is a future SG. With plastic, I would guess preassembled boardgame plastic.

Looks like we got the dryuid, and 5k besides. More than I was expecting but the next 25k goal is for a $25 expansion with some gobbos and another adventure so its probably from people upping for that. Another add on for orcoid kow models and 350k adds their rules.

In for $1 so I get the updates, last of the big spenders!

Has there been a reveal yet of the dwarf barman, the one cleaning out a glass? If nothing else will certainly be getting that mini if it is any good!

 Pacific wrote:
Has there been a reveal yet of the dwarf barman, the one cleaning out a glass? If nothing else will certainly be getting that mini if it is any good!

Only as a drawing. So far he is only available with the "all in" pledge level, though this may change later

I'm suprised there is no boss model in the expansion pack.

 lord marcus wrote:
I'm suprised there is no boss model in the expansion pack.

I imagine it will be the goblin riding the lizard that we have seen at the open day and it will be a stretch goal.

I love this project, but Mantic doesn't want to seem to give out full boxes of anything on this one, just half a box that gets filled slowly.

 lord marcus wrote:
I'm suprised there is no boss model in the expansion pack.

I suspect that will be its first stretch goal.

So, if we're looking at the main box being finished (I assume since we're talking expansion already), how much swag comes in the main box?

I think they will mix up the stretch goals between expansion and main box - I imagine that the furniture will be added to the main box at some point, for one.

I agree, I don't get the impression that the main box is finished. People in the comments wanted addons to spend money on, so Mantic gave them something. I think we will see a few more heroes and some dungeon furniture added to the main box at the very least.

I'm curious to know too. The main pledge level keeps growing, at 350k they're adding one each of new goblin sculpts to dungeon master, but those won't be going into the retail box. I'm starting to wonder if the retail box is going to be more of a $50 price point, kind of like DKH when it's not on sale. Probably a lot more sale-able at a lower price... My thinking is guided by the fact that we already get more undead (a bonus 9 for $15 pack) than the retail box.

Might have to get the expansion, if for nothing else than the mawbeasts... would be nice to have a couple without bombs and chainsaw mouths (not that I mind those ) and buying them separately in any other form would cost over half the expansion anyway. Plus goblins are cool.

 GrimDork wrote:
I'm curious to know too. The main pledge level keeps growing, at 350k they're adding one each of new goblin sculpts to dungeon master, but those won't be going into the retail box. I'm starting to wonder if the retail box is going to be more of a $50 price point, kind of like DKH when it's not on sale. Probably a lot more sale-able at a lower price...

Might have to get the expansion, if for nothing else than the mawbeasts... would be nice to have a couple without bombs and chainsaw mouths (not that I mind those ) and buying them separately in any other form would cost over half the expansion anyway. Plus goblins are cool.

I told you that you would end up going all in. I mean, you might as well...

I don't think I can afford to this year... Especially with battle systems doing a fantasy range starting around the 20th supposedly... I think the best I'll manage is ''spent enough to raise the eyebrown of a non-gamer'' rather than the ridiculous amounts I've spent on other kickstarters. For fantasy models I'm probably set... and terrain I can make my own. I just want a fun system that's simple enough to get my friends to play.

 GrimDork wrote:
I think the best I'll manage is ''spent enough to raise the eyebrown of a non-gamer'' .

Classic

I'm going to get the game, and probably all the expansions. I'm not planning on buying counters, or KOW model add-ons etc. So right now I'm in at 120$ and would be willing to go in for one more expansion, but thats probably my limit.

I am after the core game, expansions, legendary heroes. I have enough counters from other games and the KOW miniatures do not interest me in their current material.

I am @ 145. My cap is 200 on this KS.. I just hope they have enough content to keep the game fresh. I really really want Mantic to talk to Battle Systems and work out a way for their Dungeon Crawler to work with BS Fantasy line.

Yeah. $150 is probably the most I would want to spend too. I may have to drop it altogether and pick it up at retail but the not-Drizz't and all of the extra dungeon missions and stuff really increase the personal value to me so we'll see what's up in 20 days.

A little afraid of what I might do at GenCon, I haven't been to a gamestore in months and I might just nerd out and burn through what little disposable money I have laying around Hopefully I get to take pictures of the Dungeon Saga stuff they bring along (among other things!).

@Primalexile, I don't think any work will be necessary! It's already 1inch tiles which looks like what they're using for DS. I haven't got my scifi stuff but from what I'm seeing I'd be more likely to cut DS before BSL-fantasy, I'd like to get both and integrate them. Maybe take notes from the BS stuff to make my own walls and tie in the DS tiles with the others.

I may be bad at math, but how does a game for 5 players and a co-op mode have 4 heroes... and 5 shown on the box art, and then the 5th hero is added as a stretch goal 275k in... when he is clearly on the box art as one of the 5 core heroes needed for core gameplay?

Where is the not-Drizz't fig? If you think that will make it to production with WotC watching, you insane, especially after the not-codex debacle. Multiple KS who had not-Drizz't have had them squashed already. If there was one IP you don't want to play with, it is WotC.

Some of those goblin stuff looks interesting. Stretch goals for the add-on campaign makes it feel like the boxed set is 'done' and it is barley reaching retail value for me. That is a weak offering and not a lot of game for a 100$ retail box. Gameplay vids and rules hasn't shown anything amazing either, so it really will determine how the Co-OP or PVP rules end up.

5 players, 4 heroes and 1 controls the necromancer and all of the undead enemies. Box art is box art, how many books have you read that actually describe the characters in the same manner as they are drawn on the cover? You only need 4 heroes to play the game.

He's a bit down the list, he's currently either just concept art or a colored sketch, the drawing is of a Caucasian skin tone with shorter not-maine-like hair, really it's just the pair of long swords. Can they really have got the copyright for a fighter with twin swords and leather armor? There's no guenwyvar and he's billed as a demon hunter, I think.

I'm not so sure the retail box will be 100 dollars. I could be totally mistaken, but given the fact that they've already said we're getting an extra $15 batch of undead included in our pledge that will be absent at retail.. I'm really wondering if the box won't be cheaper, like the current DKH offerings.

Keldan, the not-Drizzt

I'm going to just stick to the regular $100 level. If we end up playing the game a lot I'll get the expansion stuff later when it's out for retail

nkelsch wrote:
I may be bad at math, but how does a game for 5 players and a co-op mode have 4 heroes... and 5 shown on the box art, and then the 5th hero is added as a stretch goal 275k in... when he is clearly on the box art as one of the 5 core heroes needed for core gameplay?

Where is the not-Drizz't fig? If you think that will make it to production with WotC watching, you insane, especially after the not-codex debacle. Multiple KS who had not-Drizz't have had them squashed already. If there was one IP you don't want to play with, it is WotC.

Some of those goblin stuff looks interesting. Stretch goals for the add-on campaign makes it feel like the boxed set is 'done' and it is barley reaching retail value for me. That is a weak offering and not a lot of game for a 100$ retail box. Gameplay vids and rules hasn't shown anything amazing either, so it really will determine how the Co-OP or PVP rules end up.

Debacle is a strong word for what it is.

I actually thought the video was pretty well done.. certainly a lot better than some other efforts I could care to mention !

@Nkelsch - I'm amazed you are still buying new Mantic stuff to be honest! I remember you commenting on the Mantic orc style years ago when they were first released (don't think on this forum), not having a good thing to say about them, and then saying that you have had some of the worst examples of mould-lines ever.. !

I think there were some comments asking for purchasable expansions and so perhaps that is why Mantic have taken that route at this point in the KS.

Separately, I hope those goblins are better than the ones I got some years ago..

I think mantic's done that one right.

I mean, an Elven ranger in leather armour with 2 swords isn't exactly uncommon. - The different paint job would help too. Being someone who is not looking for Drizzt under every rock, it didn't occur to me at all.

 Compel wrote:
I think mantic's done that one right.

I mean, an Elven ranger in leather armour with 2 swords isn't exactly uncommon. - The different paint job would help too. Being someone who is not looking for Drizzt under every rock, it didn't occur to me at all.

Then don't call it 'not-drizzt'

I have seen 'elf with dual swords' yanked from KS because of WotC because it was 'not-drizzt'.

nkelsch wrote:
I may be bad at math, but how does a game for 5 players and a co-op mode have 4 heroes... and 5 shown on the box art, and then the 5th hero is added as a stretch goal 275k in... when he is clearly on the box art as one of the 5 core heroes needed for core gameplay?

Where is the not-Drizz't fig? If you think that will make it to production with WotC watching, you insane, especially after the not-codex debacle. Multiple KS who had not-Drizz't have had them squashed already. If there was one IP you don't want to play with, it is WotC.

Some of those goblin stuff looks interesting. Stretch goals for the add-on campaign makes it feel like the boxed set is 'done' and it is barley reaching retail value for me. That is a weak offering and not a lot of game for a 100$ retail box. Gameplay vids and rules hasn't shown anything amazing either, so it really will determine how the Co-OP or PVP rules end up.

Your a little over hyper on the drizz't thing. WotC isn't going to do squat. The Codex thing was just standard Mantic/ Kickstarter shenanigans. Dumb overhype with letting mouth overload brain. Debacle would be if they crushed the whole project over the whole crew, or something like that. ONE figure pulled because someone overstepped their bounds without asking first isn't new for Kickstarter.

The game is going to have at least three times as many heros before its said and done. Drizzel is probably the weakest of the bunch of the fantasy tropes.

They will more then likely by conversation over there have two or three more expansions before the end of the project. If you don't like undead, They'll have some evil dwarfs, or more greenskins to slay in there.

Saw some werewolves in there as well, no reason not to expect a vampire or two along the way.

I'm still in "wait and see" mode. I do have to say that the main box isn't worth $100 to me at this stage for a retail purchase with free shipping delivered this week, let alone KS a year out - so we'll have to wait and see what they come up with.

I feel the same way about the $25 expansions. Needs more for $25 than what's been shown so far.

It also seems likely that the game might well retail for $50 or $60 in the end, and the $100 KS level does actually represent us paying for all of the freebies.

Still, we've got a couple of weeks to decide what to do before it closes...

And a few months more after it closes.

True. Even if I pull my pledge, I'll stay in for a buck and the PM in case I change my mind.

 Azazelx wrote:
True. Even if I pull my pledge, I'll stay in for a buck and the PM in case I change my mind.

I am somewhat perturbed Azazelx that we are now 10 days in to the KS and you have yet to pull your pledge, even once!