Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - Completed! $1,057,975 total, 5,963 backers

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**Azazelx**

In the meantime, check out the actual D&D boardgames. Not trying to talk you out of this game. It's a year away, after all.

**Slinky**

I've ordered "Wrath of Ashardalon" - which ones are you talking about?

**Sasori**

Azazelx wrote:
In the meantime, check out the actual D&D boardgames. Not trying to talk you out of this game. It's a year away, after all.

I've got all three of those, and they are lot of fun.

**judgedoug**

Azazelx wrote:

I'm hopeful that it will be by the end, but let's not pretend that there are any real freebies here. Everything is paid for in that $100.

Wouldn't that be the definition of any Kickstarter? The pledge should cover the costs to manufacture, produce, and ship the product to the backer without incurring a loss.
Well, I guess the definition of any Kickstarter that actually delivers, I suppose.

Azazelx wrote:
$100 to be paid a year out

This has been thrown around a bunch but on the main page of the KS they address the "year out" bit
"The other challenge is delays from the manufacturer – something that has meant we’ve gone down to the wire on a number of occasions with sculpting deadlines and delivery to our warehouse. We’ve deliberately added a couple of extra months to our shipping date to cater for this, meaning we can work on checking the quality of everything that comes through."

My personal analysis is that Mantic could easily get this out in like 6 months, but then there'd be cries of "well if they hadn't rushed it to meet their delivery time, If Mantic had just delayed it or maybe set it 12 months out we'd have much better x and y and everyone would have been just fine with that, but no, they rushed it just like they always do. Mantic... almost." I also think Mantic will deliver well before 12 months (judging by their own wording they think it'll be done in 9 months plus "a couple months")

Now, personally, I'd rather you not pledge on this so you can buy more of my stuff.

**Pacific**

Wondering if a future pledge target will add in a boss to that expansion pack ?

I don't really need this game. I own a couple of the D&D games, Descent and have pledged heavily for the forthcoming Heroquest. But, this is looking like a better and better deal all the time, especially with the exchange rate as it is now.

Sasori wrote:
Azazelx wrote:
In the meantime, check out the actual D&D boardgames. Not trying to talk you out of this game. It's a year away, after all.

I've got all three of those, and they are lot of fun.

Yes they are fun and reasonably priced. Between those and Descent though I still haven't quite been able to re-create the fun I used to have with Warhammer and Heroquest. Is it just a rose-tinted spectacles thing? Good excuse to pick up these new Dungeon Delving games in any case!

**judgedoug**

Now, as an addendum, I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong if they don't feel the value is there. Obviously, do what you want with your own money. I dove in on day 1, was like, "this looks a little weak for $100", and proceeded to basically ignore most of the campaign til now, and now we're getting like 50 figs for the pledge. I like the sculpts, so this is the point in the campaign where I personally feel my $100 is worth it. Some people won't feel that way til later, or maybe never.

I think they'll probably add another two or even three $25 expansions, each of which will add another half-dozen figs to the main $100 pledge, like the orcs and goblins one (which added 3 goblins, orcling swarm, morax, and mawbeast to main pledge), making the $100 pledge be crammed full of figs. My guesstimate is ~70 figs plus furniture by the end of the campaign.

I'm also thinking Abyssal Dwarves and Twilight Kin are the next two expansions, in that order, and if it gets really crazy near the end, an Abyssals/Demons expansion.

**NTRabbit**

Notice also that they've changed the main graphic and split the minis up, including the early +3 stretch goals so that 2 are up top, and 1 is a bonus - I think they're trying to distinguish what is going to be in the final retail box, and what we get as an extra bonus for being backers (except for Kapoka, who I reckon will come in the retail version of the Galahir expansion despite being a 'bonus' for backers)

**GrimDork**

Saw this posted over on the mars attacks kickstarter comments page

http://www.crittohit.com/events/gen-con-2014-mantic-games-day-one

A couple of the pictures have the current lot of DS minis, but look at the little bits that show up with them. Bit of a sneak peak of the scenery.

**Azazelx**

Slinky wrote:
I've ordered "Wrath of Ashardalon" - which ones are you talking about?

That one (it's part 2), Castle Ravenloft (part 1) and The Legend of Drizzt (part 3) - though they're not an actual campaign, so you can play them in any order you like, and you can expand them with the contents of each other game, as well as the Dungeon Command prepaint sets.

**Pacific**

GrimDork wrote:
Saw this posted over on the mars attacks kickstarter comments page

http://www.crittohit.com/events/gen-con-2014-mantic-games-day-one

A couple of the pictures have the current lot of DS minis, but look at the little bits that show up with them. Bit of a sneak peak of the scenery.

Come on GrimDork, ctrl-v!

**Azazelx**

judgedoug wrote:
Azazelx wrote:

I'm hopeful that it will be by the end, but let's not pretend that there are any real freebies here. Everything is paid for in that $100.

Wouldn't that be the definition of any Kickstarter? The pledge should cover the costs to manufacture, produce, and ship the product to the backer without incurring a loss.
Well, I guess the definition of any Kickstarter that actually delivers, I suppose.

See, I'm actually fine with that, but I'd rather that they didn't try to make out like we were then making out like bandits and getting a ton of freebies by including an extra PVC boardgame figure here and there. Besides, Mantic's various KS prices have come close to discounted retail on more than a few occasions in the last couple of years, so they're generally making more than a wholesale level of profit on each set sold. Again - fine, but don't tell me it's "filled with free extras" (not you - them and the occasional water-carrier).

Azazelx wrote:
$100 to be paid a year out

This has been thrown around a bunch but on the main page of the KS they address the "year out" bit
"The other challenge is delays from the manufacturer – something that has meant we’ve gone down to the wire on a number of occasions with sculpting deadlines and delivery to our warehouse. We’ve deliberately added a couple of extra months to our shipping date to cater for this, meaning we can work on checking the quality of everything that comes through."

My personal analysis is that Mantic could easily get this out in like 6 months, but then there'd be cries of "well if they hadn't rushed it to meet their delivery time, If Mantic had just delayed it or maybe set it 12 months out we'd have much better x and y and everyone would have been just fine with that, but no, they rushed it just like they always do. Mantic... almost." I also think Mantic will deliver well before 12 months (judging by their own wording they think it'll be done in 9 months plus "a couple months")

**edlowe**

Those pictures have definitely sealed the deal for me!

The figures seem to look better in those shots, those trolls look huge.

**GrimDork**

Ctrl+V is for people who aren't scrambling to get ready to drive four hours to Indianapolis so they can see them in person while an angry toddler is being... uncooperative.

**decker_cky**

edlowe wrote:
Those pictures have definitely sealed the deal for me!

The figures seem to look better in those shots, those trolls look huge.

Remember that those will be resin casts, so have better detail than the PVC figures that come with the set. Shouldn't be a huge difference, but you should factor it in.

**lord marcus**

and the paladin lost his sword

**judgedoug**

Azazelx wrote:

See, I'm actually fine with that, but I'd rather that they didn't try to make out like we were then making out like bandits and getting a ton of freebies by including an extra PVC boardgame figure here and there. Besides, Mantic's various KS prices have come close to discounted retail on more than a few occasions in the last couple of years, so they're generally making more than a wholesale level of profit on each set sold. Again - fine, but don't tell me it's "filled with free extras" (not you - them and the occasional water-carrier).

Again, I'm fine with them taking a year and/or having padded the dates - but by the same token, it's money paid out a long time in advance, so it has to be balanced against what you might want to buy today.

Fair points. From my own armchair generaling, it shoulda been an initial goal of what they actually needed for the main set, 200k or whatever. But everyone loves a KS rush, so the 50k-200k most likely was just 'padding the retail release' by actually funding the core set up to 200k. Fine by me, like I said, the more recent actual freebies makes it worth it personally.

Azazelx wrote:

Now, personally, I'd rather you not pledge on this so you can buy more of my stuff.

See, you jest here, but actually make the point for me!

Sir, I do not jest! Buy my stuff

**Pacific**

GrimDork wrote:
Ctrl+V is for people who aren't scrambling to get ready to drive four hours to Indianapolis so they can see them in person while an angry toddler is being... uncooperative.

Ah OK mate in that case I take it back, heroic of you for even getting the link in there !

**GrimDork**

. It made sense since only a couple of the pictures applied. Just no time today.

**Azazelx**

decker_cky wrote:
edlowe wrote:
Those pictures have definitely sealed the deal for me!

The figures seem to look better in those shots, those trolls look huge.

Remember that those will be resin casts, so have better detail than the PVC figures that come with the set. Shouldn't be a huge difference, but you should factor it in.

Also remember that Mantic's models are smaller than GW's by and large. I'm sure the trolls will still be decently sized, but just not as huge as they look in those pics.

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I think this set really needs more of a Big Bad. The lack of same is one of the things that really prevents this game from having the Epic feeling that it should (as well as 2 of each mob @retail)
Furniture is nice, but check these sets out:

http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/2993886

http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/2993901

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Project Update #25: Pull up a chair.
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UNLOCKED – BONUS ENEMIES: Orc Morax

We’ve smashed through another stretch goal, unlocking the two new minions in The Warlord of Galahir.

This means you have a brand new foe to face: hulking great Orcs!

Not only that but there’s new recruits for the baddies: an Orc Morax, a Mawbeast and an Orcling Swarm to add to you Dungeon Master pledge level.

Milestone Goal

We’re coming up to a new milestone goal:

$400,000. Who would have thought we’d have been here this quickly?!

It can only be one thing.

Something we’ve been asked for *A LOT* since we started the campaign.

You wanted, you got it.

Free in your pledge.

Let’s do this!

$400,000 – BONUS: Sculpted 3D Dungeon Furniture in plastic!

If we hit this stretch goal, we will upgrade the card Dungeon Furniture in your Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird) pledge level to sculpted 3D versions in plastic, for free!

There’s everything from bookcases to a crypt, barrels and chests - even a Dwarf Throne! This dungeon furniture will enhance your game set, making it more 3D and visually enticing, whilst also being made of hard-wearing material to withstand the rigours of gaming.

As part of this goal we’re also going to make a new Optional Add-on available so that you can get more for your dungeon:

How to add an Optional Add-on:

The Dungeon Saga Kickstarter is going to be full of fantastic freebies for you to feast on but occasionally we'll offer up great value packs to enhance your gameplay experience. You can get these Optional Add-ons by raising your pledge amount.

To do this, click “Manage my Pledge” in the top right corner of the Kickstarter page and input the total value of everything you want. For example, if you’re at Dungeon Master ($100) and want the The Warlord of Galahir Expansion set, you would enter $125 as your total pledge. When the campaign has finished, we will send you access to a shiny PledgeManager (the same as DreadBall Xtreme if you’re familiar with that Kickstarter).

On here you will input your choices and let us know what you would like for your pledge ☺

Let’s get this goal beaten and locked - it's a big one!

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I'm really underwhelmed by this. 8 pieces? One of each? $15 for another set?

Really?

**Pacific**

I was thinking that was a pretty good deal as far as dungeon terrain goes.. (think works out at about £8-9 in UK money, not sure about Aus?)

If you were going to get that kind of stuff from Ainsty Castings, Fenris Games or some of the other resin producers, you would probably be paying £4-5 for each of those. I don't think the price is too far removed from Gamezone's Heroquest stuff (also plastic), although not sure about other KS?

**ced1106**

I think $15 is about right -- especially since most miniature websites charge $7 or so for shipping. I backed Itar's Workshop, Mythical Lairs, Bones II, and their accessories are roughly the same price. The material's different, but most furniture doesn't have details, so I'd be fine with plastic.

As an entry-level KS, the $100 is looking like a good "starter set" for the new dungeoncrawler gamer. However, as others have said, I'm not sure how many of the "alpha gamers" on KS, particularly miniatures hobbyists, are seeing enough new to pledge. Unlike heroes and monsters, I think you *can* have enough furniture!

**02Laney**

Is the material they use in the DandD sets the same as their other minis (There is significant bendy sword/spear syndrome in the pics)? Some big bad is definitely needed however , along with an abyssal/twilight kin expansion or two.

The furniture expansion is a nice bonus and I feel sure it will be added to later. We need an orc boss for the warlord expansion to round it out.

**Herzlos**

ced1106 wrote:
Unlike heroes and monsters, I think you *can* have enough furniture!

Heresy!

I like the furniture, and the price seems alright. The only thing I'm unsure about is the plastics quality; this stuff is all board-game quality rather than wargames quality, and that might be enough to kill it for me.

**RobertsMinis**

The only thing I would say regarding the furniture is the duplication of the Dwarf throne. Though it actually doesn't seem if it would look out of place on a 40k board... I suppose it would be an idea for any spares!

**BobtheInquisitor**

Yeah, they are basically charging $15 for the throne... Toss in another one, and I'd be a bit more interested.

**Bioptic**

I'm a bit confused by the numbering, for a couple of reasons:

1) On all prior stretch goals, they've made it clear exactly how many of each model you're getting - (3) Trolls, or (1) Troll Shaman. No such thing here.

2) They say that they're upgrading all of the cardboard furniture tokens to the plastic versions, but the 'box contents' graphic on the main page shows far more than 8 pieces, particularly for the smaller items (barrels, chests). I suspect that this will be clarified, but it should have been clear in the first place.

**The_Real_Chris**

Azazelx wrote:

I'm not angry at them. Just underwhelmed, a bit jaded and bored, and there are far more pressing and interesting things asking for my $100+ dollars right now. If anything, I'm a bit disappointed in them because I expected something a bit more exciting or interesting.

Snap (crackle and pop).

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Wow, underwealming.

**GrimDork**

Take it for what you will:

Mantic Games

36 minutes ago
I know a lot of you have been showing some concern over the contents of the scenery pack, just so you are all aware the image we have posted is of concept scenery pieces. The final addition will contain more pieces especially the barrels and chests but the final contents won't be confirmed until we can get the tooling done. We will change the add on and stretch goal graphic to reflect this. Thanks, Kieren

**judgedoug**

Everyone's acting like they have to spend $15 to get the scenery pack, but as far as I can tell the $100 pledge now comes with it, correct? So it's more stuff included in the $100 pledge... so why the complaints?

**02Laney**

Particularly as they have said that there is likely to be more than the image shows in the set. The box contents may be a pretty good guide here. I can't see mantic putting in one barrel in set ( not after the mass of material that came in the deadzone terrain).