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2014/08/19 20:54:06
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Fugazi wrote: Ha, I have no idea how you would game with some of those models, but they made me laugh in a good way. Steeds full of skulls? I dunno, I felt like it fits in with the tongue in cheek style GW used to have before the grimdark super seriousness.
The spirit hosts are just awesome. Great concept and great execution. I thought GW's SW release was lazy, but I tip my cap for this release. Good stuff.
Agreed! The old models just didn't strike me as particularly terrifying opponents...
I dunno, the terror of the unknown; are those robes sculpted to be ragged or is it just finecast bubbles?
This aspect of the model bothers me as well, that and the gen hat size, i also feel that they are over using the floating of spirits theme a bit much, but really nobody ever accused GW of having great proportions on their models and i love the new hosts. Overall i think this is more win than miss, which i havent said about a GW release for awhile now.
To be fair, the floating spirits are about the only thing GW has done well, so I guess they figured since the floating spirits came out so good they should put them on everything!
Hrmmmmm...this Nagash model looks like trash...I think we should add some of those cool floating spirit things. And more...whadya call it...more swooshy bits. Like, a lot of swooshy bits. Nobody else does swooshy bits. That's our thing, so put in more swooshy bits. OH! And bones. Don't forget bones. These guys are undead, so there should be, like, 1000% more bones.
Mr. Merrett, I can't possibly put in more bones. I mean, look at his hat. It is already trimmed in bones.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK! Put a ribcage on that hat.
There's just no room Mr. Merrett. I'm sorry.
So make the hat bigger! And don't forget the swooshy bits. I'm going to come back here in half an hour and I expect to see more swooshy bits.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
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2014/08/19 21:18:41
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Bear in mind he's a human from an ancient civilisation, that has prolonged his life to the point of functional immortality and used to draw power from ingesting warpstone powder. He was last killed/banished by a weapon so powerful it killed its bearer within hours and only then did the weapon work because he was surprised.
Anyhow imagine what 40K could be like if GW showed similar purpose to advance the fluff beyond "oh noes a big fight near eye of terror and the necrons/tyranids conveniently not a big threat lol" stalemate.....
I can see End Times being a Sanctus Reach style product leading into a new WFB edition with some new Empire/Elves to meet the threat unless somehow the Bretonnians get wrapped in, which I suppose is possible given their background. Either way I am certain we will see something for the "good" guys in the coming months.
2014/08/19 21:29:29
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I can see End Times being a Sanctus Reach style product leading into a new WFB edition with some new Empire/Elves to meet the threat unless somehow the Bretonnians get wrapped in, which I suppose is possible given their background. Either way I am certain we will see something for the "good" guys in the coming months.
I can see it now. "Ultra Valten" who now stands fifteen feet high (thanks to special spellz from Teclis) wielding the "MurderHammer of Sigmar" and Louen Leoncoeur's shield riding in a magical floating chariot pulled by Karl Franz's mega rooster. Every turn he can use his special "MurderSmite" ability on any undead within 2d6 inches. Self respect sold separately.
(PS. In an attempt to one up Nagash, Ultra Valten wears a cannon as a hat. The cannon has lots of skull iconography.)
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2014/08/19 21:34:26
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
People still stuck n the size of Nagash's head..? Seriously, he warped his body with warpstone, do any sorta reading into what that stuff does and see that it's a miracle that's the only thing abit out of proportion from the rest of his body!
2014/08/19 22:10:32
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
GenRifDrake wrote: People still stuck n the size of Nagash's head..? Seriously, he warped his body with warpstone, do any sorta reading into what that stuff does and see that it's a miracle that's the only thing abit out of proportion from the rest of his body!
Somehow, the "Warpstone did it" line doesn't really make it more aesthetically pleasing for me. I keep on chanting "warpstone did it," but I'm not warming up to the sculpt at all.
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2014/08/19 22:49:24
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
GenRifDrake wrote: People still stuck n the size of Nagash's head..? Seriously, he warped his body with warpstone, do any sorta reading into what that stuff does and see that it's a miracle that's the only thing abit out of proportion from the rest of his body!
Somehow, the "Warpstone did it" line doesn't really make it more aesthetically pleasing for me. I keep on chanting "warpstone did it," but I'm not warming up to the sculpt at all.
This is my thought as well, sniffing warpstone could have also made him grow a giant butt on his face, butt that would not make me think it was any cooler, and really, isn't looking cool half the battle.
Coins for the eyes, keys to for the door.
2014/08/20 00:18:29
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
GenRifDrake wrote: People still stuck n the size of Nagash's head..? Seriously, he warped his body with warpstone, do any sorta reading into what that stuff does and see that it's a miracle that's the only thing abit out of proportion from the rest of his body!
Somehow, the "Warpstone did it" line doesn't really make it more aesthetically pleasing for me. I keep on chanting "warpstone did it," but I'm not warming up to the sculpt at all.
This is my thought as well, sniffing warpstone could have also made him grow a giant butt on his face, butt that would not make me think it was any cooler, and really, isn't looking cool half the battle.
Well each to their own, maybe some people would hate it if his head was larger and bring back the big headed Nagash jokes, can't please everyone..! If it's just the head you have an issue with i'd say it could be worse, overall I really like the model, though I think the colour scheme of choice could be better and the pic from earlier of someone photoshopping his hat to be smaller definately looked better. It's the price that's the real thing to feel disgusted about with it. x_x.. doesn't matter if he's a 1,000pt model, just ouch.
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2014/08/20 00:56:31
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
It's just slightly irritating that, ok, yes, he's all powerful and immortal and cannot die.
But he can still be knocked out for the duration of an actual battle by taking 3 cannonballs to the face and bam there goes 1000 points and suddenly you're taking a bajillion crumble tests
So many games, so little time.
So many models, even less time.
Screw it, Netflix and chill.
2014/08/20 01:01:12
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
I know I was surprised by how many races now have one. As I was coming back to the game from the era when Empire and Dwarfs were the only ones to fear.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2014/08/20 01:25:04
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Micky wrote: I actually tend to think Nagash should have the Ethereal rule just to reflect his immortality.
when he dies, in the fluff his spirit bursts from his corporeal form (I say that, because his skeleton has been blasted/hammer-smashed so twice, so it probably is not his actual skeleton anymore)
I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
2014/08/20 02:35:19
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Xyxel wrote: What's with bone beard and bone tendrils? Chaos mutations? High hat?
Wanted to come back around to this as I missed it... I think the model just needs a complete head swap and it could be amazing. There's no saving the dinky head size compared to the body.
I repose to standing on a ledge, scrapping the books, good head swap, and Bob's your uncle, I'd say. Or, for nearly the same cost, buy the Creature Caster zombie dragon, name it "Nagash" and just roll with that.
Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
2014/08/20 05:30:18
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Do you play against Dwarfs all that often? If you do and they're not taking cannons, well that's a matter unto itself. Nagash can still instagib himself with a Miscast (only gets a reroll and MUST use the second result).
He's not a character you want to see in a game of WHFB more than you'd want to see the Emperor of Mankind in 40k. In those sorts of systems, standard RnF troops just don't really matter when it comes down to the skirmish level (and even a 4,000pt battle is still not an awfully large battle [maybe at most 500 bodies each side unless you're putting down nothing but Skaven Slaves]).
Nagash would rank just under a first generation Slann in terms of raw power (and there are none of those left except for Kroak, who is dead and only sometimes uses a minor portion of his power in the physical world to throw some spells around). Again, Kroak is in a severely weakened state and because of this he can fit (just barely) into the scale of WHFB. Perhaps his best equivalent would be Lord Mazdamundi.
It just baffles me that anyone would want to use him in his current form (when did he grow twenty feet tall and start stomping around the battlefield?) of rules or the ghastly model
just hangin' out, hangin' out
2014/08/20 05:38:27
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
Laemos wrote: How common are 4000 point games. People keep mentioning them and that seems like a lot of models on a table.
Seems to mostly be 2400-3000. 4000 has been thrown around because that would be the minimum level to include him with the current rules.
Though there has been talk of the Lord % being 50% for the new Undead faction list.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2014/08/20 06:31:14
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
not common at all. To put in in perspective, most games average around 2,500. I believe GT's like brawler bash get to 3,000 not allowing Grand Armies, but it feels like the more common spot is 2,400-2,500.
Under normal rules characters like nagash are limited to a max of 25% of your army total, so being 1,000 points, he'd be your only lord choice. combined with his monster frame, depending on your opponents it may well be a fools errand to bring him, because a good number of armies like to bring things to counter monsters, and he is by far the best one to shoot. he will most likely be the general, and when the general in an undead (VC for perspective, although a TK heirphant could apply here) army dies the whole army can take extra damage. so for all his power, when he dies, it is calamitous.
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Army: none currently.
2014/08/20 06:44:54
Subject: Re:WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
The thing that confuses me here is that people complain about the very things that make the Nagash mini work. His costume is too ornate! His body is too big for his head! He floats four feet above the covers! He reads!
Exactly. Nagash lived bodiless and/or in a cave with nothing but a bunch of skeletons and warpstone for hundreds of years. On a scale from sane to cabin fever, Nagash sits at Gigerzord Bonepope. I mean, he's one sweaty-toothed madman. The dude was already putting the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again long before he even lost his body the first time. He hated people so much that it-it- the f - it -flam - flames...flames, on the side of his face, breathing-breathl- heaving breaths.. heaving breaths... and that was before he even went all Pet Sematary. Crazier than gakhouse rat he was, and the Skaven can verify that. It really isn't hard to see what happened.
Year 205
Nagash: Sure is lonely in this mountain. I mean, all I've got to read is Paradise Lost, Moby Dick and Catcher in the Rye, and I'm so sick of them. It's a good thing I'm keeping busy writing my own books and crafting my armor or I'd probably start talking to myself. Right, friend?
Skeleton:
Nagash: We sure have gotten to know each other a lot over the years, haven't we? What was your name, again?
Skeleton: *squeaks*
Nagash: Right. D'artagnan. Well, Darty, what do you think of my crown?
Skeleton: *jaw hinges open*
Nagash: I suppose it could use a bit more pizzazz.
Year 555
Nagash: Welp, you were right. I don't stand out enough compared to the other skeletons. But I really like this skull. I put a lot of time into the angry eyesocket brows. Still, Darty, you're the artist. I defer to your aesthetic.
Skeleton:
Nagash: More imposing, you say? No. That's ridiculous. 8 heads tall is really quite distinctive. No, I've never met your sister's boyfriend. Besides, he's been dead for centuries.
Skeleton:
Nagash: Oh. Right. I guess he's still digging the lido cavern, then. Well, you were right about the hat. Taller it is! I think there was a giant sloth skelly 'round here somewhere...
Year 614
Nagash: Shut your smug mouth, Darty! I don't care what Mummy says. I am too a great writer! You take back those awful things you've said or I'll turn you into a loincloth, like your sister's boyfriend!
Skeleton:
Nagash: I could quit warpstone any time I want. I'm in total control of myself. Pancakes. That's why I don't need to quit. It keeps me centered, like my writing. Tick-tock-penny-clock. What side-effects?
Skeleton: *collapses into heap*
Nagash: You're not my mother!
Year 1,047
Nagash: Zbip-bip nubbity. The walls are closing in, but the purple don't shine. Bit-bit zevuvim, we're together forever. *strokes skeletal chin beard* You and me, Darty. Closer than any lovers, and twice as nasty. It's us against life, that queen biznatch warbler. Us against life. Two more days before I finish my great novel about the little tailor coming to terms with the gorgon's menstrual cycle. Then I'll have nothing left... Hold me.
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The thing that confuses me here is that people complain about the very things that make the Nagash mini work. His costume is too ornate! His body is too big for his head! He floats four feet above the covers! He reads!
Exactly. Nagash lived bodiless and/or in a cave with nothing but a bunch of skeletons and warpstone for hundreds of years. On a scale from sane to cabin fever, Nagash sits at Gigerzord Bonepope. I mean, he's one sweaty-toothed madman. The dude was already putting the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again long before he even lost his body the first time. He hated people so much that it-it- the f - it -flam - flames...flames, on the side of his face, breathing-breathl- heaving breaths.. heaving breaths... and that was before he even went all Pet Sematary. Crazier than gakhouse rat he was, and the Skaven can verify that. It really isn't hard to see what happened.
Year 205
Nagash: Sure is lonely in this mountain. I mean, all I've got to read is Paradise Lost, Moby Dick and Catcher in the Rye, and I'm so sick of them. It's a good thing I'm keeping busy writing my own books and crafting my armor or I'd probably start talking to myself. Right, friend?
Skeleton:
Nagash: We sure have gotten to know each other a lot over the years, haven't we? What was your name, again?
Skeleton: *squeaks*
Nagash: Right. D'artagnan. Well, Darty, what do you think of my crown?
Skeleton: *jaw hinges open*
Nagash: I suppose it could use a bit more pizzazz.
Year 555
Nagash: Welp, you were right. I don't stand out enough compared to the other skeletons. But I really like this skull. I put a lot of time into the angry eyesocket brows. Still, Darty, you're the artist. I defer to your aesthetic.
Skeleton:
Nagash: More imposing, you say? No. That's ridiculous. 8 heads tall is really quite distinctive. No, I've never met your sister's boyfriend. Besides, he's been dead for centuries.
Skeleton:
Nagash: Oh. Right. I guess he's still digging the lido cavern, then. Well, you were right about the hat. Taller it is! I think there was a giant sloth skelly 'round here somewhere...
Year 614
Nagash: Shut your smug mouth, Darty! I don't care what Mummy says. I am too a great writer! You take back those awful things you've said or I'll turn you into a loincloth, like your sister's boyfriend!
Skeleton:
Nagash: I could quit warpstone any time I want. I'm in total control of myself. Pancakes. That's why I don't need to quit. It keeps me centered, like my writing. Tick-tock-penny-clock. What side-effects?
Skeleton: *collapses into heap*
Nagash: You're not my mother!
Year 1,047
Nagash: Zbip-bip nubbity. The walls are closing in, but the purple don't shine. Bit-bit zevuvim, we're together forever. *strokes skeletal chin beard* You and me, Darty. Closer than any lovers, and twice as nasty. It's us against life, that queen biznatch warbler. Us against life. Two more days before I finish my great novel about the little tailor coming to terms with the gorgon's menstrual cycle. Then I'll have nothing left... Hold me.
... sir, I would like a hard backed collectors edition of your fluff.
2014/08/20 06:59:32
Subject: WFB: New Nagash model (and more). Pics pg 13
