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2014/08/28 20:49:40
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
The professional victim is an individual who takes advantage of good hearted people. This is particularly the case in the game industry. If someone’s media coverage / social media influence greatly outstrips their actual accomplishments, they might be a professional victim.
I’ve been getting death threats and online flames since the beginning. I didn’t go around complaining about it because, like most people, I know that the world is full of jerks and idiots and if they’ve heard of you, they will sometimes target you. The professional victim, by contrast, will convert trolling into media gold which just so happens to get coverage for their new game or new project.
The professional victim is purposely trying to ruffle feathers and then gain exposer for their project by the outpouring of abuse they take. But only some people are allowed to be victims. If some gruff man were to start critiquing the fashion industry, any complaints he had regarding the “harassment” he received due to the inevitable insults directed his way would be ignored.
Professional victims rely on the fact that we don’t condemn intolerance and abuse universally. Because of that, like issue #1, the culture becomes more divisive, more toxic. When people feel they haven’t gotten a fair shake or that their beliefs are being misrepresented, they get angry.
Lastly, a reminder: Trolls customize their insults just for you. They will pick what they think will upset you the most and use that. If you wear your grievances on your sleeve then it’s just that much easier."
"#3 Unaccountability
The typical stereotype of the online “troll” is that they’re some kid. But the nastiest of the trolls tend to actually be people who actually work IN THE INDUSTRY (or close to it) posting anonymously.
Sometimes they post as themselves but because they have the correct “politics” they get a pass. One of the worst trolls I’ve had to deal with was the founding editor of Kotaku. He even made a YouTube video comparing me to Hitler (it’s still up if you search for it). Imagine if the former editor in chief of Kotaku posted a video comparing a female game developer with Hitler. What do you imagine the coverage would be? What does that tell you about the attitudes of some people in “activist” media?
The fact that Twitter and YouTube still allow anonymity for their users is [A] Not surprising but [B] a major reason why we have so much gak on the Internet. People are a lot more reasonable when they are posting as “themselves”."
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Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.
2014/08/28 20:56:10
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Go ask Total Biscuit what his email and youtube comments are like. He won't be able to tell you. He started suffering physical symptoms from handling his own mail, and has spent the last few years paying someone else to deal with all of that crap for him.
LordofHats wrote: Go ask Total Biscuit what his email and youtube comments are like. He won't be able to tell you. He started suffering physical symptoms from handling his own mail, and has spent the last few years paying someone else to deal with all of that crap for him.
And here I was thinking it was his cancer that was causing him to suffer.
2014/08/28 21:37:27
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
LordofHats wrote: Go ask Total Biscuit what his email and youtube comments are like. He won't be able to tell you. He started suffering physical symptoms from handling his own mail, and has spent the last few years paying someone else to deal with all of that crap for him.
And here I was thinking it was his cancer that was causing him to suffer.
Different incidents (This one happened between cancer one and cancer two). He was getting so many death threats and flame mail his doctor went so far as to put him on anti-depressants cause he just couldn't handle it.
Asherian Command wrote: I remember. That total biscuit disabled youtube comments. Mostly because he doesn't really have time to deal with that gak hahaha.
No true. He disabled Youtube comments in protest against Google's implementation of the "gak" Google+ system which apparently makes managing and responding to comments and feedback a nightmare for a youtuber.
Pretty much every one of his videos explicitly spells this out, explaining why the comments are disabled, and with a link to a Reddit page where feedback and discussion of the video can be found.
LordofHats wrote: Go ask Total Biscuit what his email and youtube comments are like. He won't be able to tell you. He started suffering physical symptoms from handling his own mail, and has spent the last few years paying someone else to deal with all of that crap for him.
And here I was thinking it was his cancer that was causing him to suffer.
Different incidents (This one happened between cancer one and cancer two). He was getting so many death threats and flame mail his doctor went so far as to put him on anti-depressants cause he just couldn't handle it.
The internet is a cruel place.
Well thats fethed up. Got a link? I've never heard of that.
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2014/08/28 21:52:25
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Well thats fethed up. Got a link? I've never heard of that.
Oh lordy... He did a video about it, but he has soooo many @_@ Think its in one of the cooptional podcasts, but there's over one hundred of them, most a few hours long, and I have no idea which one
There might be an article about it somewhere but there's so many of those too (or might be buried somewhere on his Twitter). For once, I actually want to go find the damn thing to refresh my memory but dear lord my google foo is too weak.
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Asherian Command wrote: I remember. That total biscuit disabled youtube comments. Mostly because he doesn't really have time to deal with that gak hahaha.
No true. He disabled Youtube comments in protest against Google's implementation of the "gak" Google+ system which apparently makes managing and responding to comments and feedback a nightmare for a youtuber.
Pretty much every one of his videos explicitly spells this out, explaining why the comments are disabled, and with a link to a Reddit page where feedback and discussion of the video can be found.
LordofHats wrote: Go ask Total Biscuit what his email and youtube comments are like. He won't be able to tell you. He started suffering physical symptoms from handling his own mail, and has spent the last few years paying someone else to deal with all of that crap for him.
And here I was thinking it was his cancer that was causing him to suffer.
Different incidents (This one happened between cancer one and cancer two). He was getting so many death threats and flame mail his doctor went so far as to put him on anti-depressants cause he just couldn't handle it.
The internet is a cruel place.
Well thats fethed up. Got a link? I've never heard of that.
Oh I DIDN'T know that. Okay. I might join reddit just to discus the video. Because he's a very interesting fellow.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/08/28 23:30:02
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Crablezworth wrote: The primary issues are accusations of e-begging, she received $160,000 to produce a video series and so far she's produced 2 videos.
This is false.
Sigvatr wrote: Just one quick food for thought: a lot of people, even on Dakka, jump to her side mainly because...she's a woman. Ignoring arguments or anything that might dim the shining light of righteousness that surrounds her because...she's a woman.
Or maybe it is because we find the criticism very poor, and the abuse very excessive and undeserved.…
Slarg232 wrote: I agree with Jim Sterling about Anita; she's Gamings own Frankenstein Monster.
Gamers created her, and here she comes to
kill.
again!
Frankenstein monster was actually a pretty nice guy. It is the rest of society that treated him very, very poorly and unjustly. And Frankenstein himself was a real jerk in that whole story. Really.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/28 23:37:20
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Or maybe it is because we find the criticism very poor, and the abuse very excessive and undeserved.…
Edit: Let me rephrase that, thousands of people get attacked on the internet by the "Hate Machine" why are these ones specifically protected while many more are hated, even mocked by the same people defending others.
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2014/08/29 00:24:22
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Can you give an example of someone being attacked on dakka by the “hate machine”, and that I am mocking, for reference?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 00:26:01
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Sigvatr wrote: Just one quick food for thought: a lot of people, even on Dakka, jump to her side mainly because...she's a woman. Ignoring arguments or anything that might dim the shining light of righteousness that surrounds her because...she's a woman.
Or maybe it is because we find the criticism very poor, and the abuse very excessive and undeserved.…
There is plenty of well researched and balanced criticism out there, but Confirmation Bias ensures that it's ignored in favour of seizing on the abuse from the very vocal minority of Trolls and real misogynists (not imagined) in the online discussion regarding Feminist Frequency and representing those Trolls as being representative of all her critics.
Believe it or not, but disagreeing with a Feminist's views =/= misogyny.
The abuse was indeed excessive and undeserved. Nobody deserves to be subjected to death threats for exercising their right to free speech. I hope that genuine death threats are reported to the Police and investigated thoroughly. (the screen cap posted earlier that purported to show a series of threats via twitter appeared suspicious, as has been pointed out)
But such is the nature of internet trolling. Lots of prominent Youtubers are subjected to torrents of online abuse for all manner of things, yet they don't nurture and milk it like Anita has done to further an agenda. In fact, Trolling is a wider social issue that is by no means unique to Gamers. Why is it assumed that all her Trolls are actual Gamers? Prominent media figures often get troll simply because they are prominent.
Furthermore, Anita got exactly the response she desired. She posted adverts for her series on 4chan of all places, that notorious lair of online Trolls. She knew that her intellectually dishonest series would provoke a storm of negative criticism, and that a certain proportion would be abusive. Yet instead of acknowledging criticism and engaging with her legitimate critics by responding to their arguments, she blocked, banned and disabled comments on all her videos, except for when she wanted to harvest comments from Trolls, and presented those Trolls as being representative of all her critics.
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2014/08/29 00:41:13
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Can you give an example of someone being attacked on dakka by the “hate machine”, and that I am mocking, for reference?
I wasn't specifically naming anyone on here, just in general with the defense force they've got going on. I mean Totalbiscuit had enough hate mail that he physically required anti-depressants and was asked by his doctor to avoid his mail box, but that wasn't an apparent example of "Misandry" or something at work. Infact people are fighting him for speaking out against Zoe and calling him a "Misgyonistic piece of trash who doesn't know what it's like to get hate" (Which is ironic)
Then you had people like Jack Thompson, who also got plenty of death threats and hate mail, and was publically criticized as well, but apparently he wasn't defended in great droves either.
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2014/08/29 00:55:35
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I went up to 5 minutes, realized it was not about criticizing Anita's work at all anymore and decided to go back to listening to Brel.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Lots of prominent Youtubers are subjected to torrents of online abuse for all manner of things, yet they don't nurture and milk it like Anita has done to further an agenda.
Care to provide an example?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: In fact, Trolling is a wider social issue that is by no means unique to Gamers. Why is it assumed that all her Trolls are actual Gamers?
Who cares about that? Maybe you do, but I certainly do not. I do not give a damn.
I mean, you sound like if you have made “gamer” a bit part of your identity, to the point where you take criticism on any gamer personally or something. I do play video game quite a bit, but I honestly would never take personally random comments on how some gamers are very bad persons…
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: She posted adverts for her series on 4chan of all places, that notorious lair of online Trolls.
I have to ask the obvious question: how do you know it was her, on a website not really known for being too much about verifying the identity of posters?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: She knew that her intellectually dishonest series would provoke a storm of negative criticism, and that a certain proportion would be abusive. Yet instead of acknowledging criticism and engaging with her legitimate critics by responding to their arguments, she blocked, banned and disabled comments on all her videos, except for when she wanted to harvest comments from Trolls, and presented those Trolls as being representative of all her critics.
I do not think her series is intellectually dishonest. I do not think YouTube comments have ever been in any way a good platform to “engage with one's legitimate critics”, and I am going to go as far as consider that someone suggesting it is might not be very familiar with the internet, or not be completely intellectually honest himself.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 00:59:22
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
\Well, then, I can assure you the entirety of the hitman franchise is 100% about dragging skimpily dressed dead women around rooms and placing them in objects.
Oh and uhhh strip clubs and brothels are no place for hookers/strippers. We need more positive role models for women, in brothels and strip clubs....
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2014/08/29 01:03:12
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
ZebioLizard2 wrote: I mean Totalbiscuit had enough hate mail that he physically required anti-depressants and was asked by his doctor to avoid his mail box, but that wasn't an apparent example of "Misandry" or something at work.
I recently read stuff about that on the G+ feed of some girl that made some tutorial for the game Strife. I had quite a lot of troubles understand what that was about, seemed quite convoluted. The articles were written for people that were already familiar with the issue, I guess.
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Then you had people like Jack Thompson, who also got plenty of death threats and hate mail, and was publically criticized as well, but apparently he wasn't defended in great droves either.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 01:59:59
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I went up to 5 minutes, realized it was not about criticizing Anita's work at all anymore and decided to go back to listening to Brel.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Lots of prominent Youtubers are subjected to torrents of online abuse for all manner of things, yet they don't nurture and milk it like Anita has done to further an agenda.
Care to provide an example?
Totalbiscuit.
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quote]quote=Shadow Captain Edithae 611694 7157466 5d42f8b6fbac0029cbdc070da02a0759.jpg]In fact, Trolling is a wider social issue that is by no means unique to Gamers. Why is it assumed that all her Trolls are actual Gamers?
Who cares about that? Maybe you do, but I certainly do not. I do not give a damn.
You do this a lot. Simply hand waive opposing arguments and view points away because "I don't care about that", instead of actually bothering to refute the argument. Maybe I should start doing that with your arguments.
I mean, you sound like if you have made “gamer” a bit part of your identity, to the point where you take criticism on any gamer personally or something.
Criticism is not the issue here.
Dishonest criticism made by people with a politically correct agenda out to generate media hype and make money for themselves in the professional victimhood industry by exploiting an issue is.
Jack Thompson did it.
Anita is doing it.
I do play video game quite a bit, but I honestly would never take personally random comments on how some gamers are very bad persons…
Again, you're being disingenuous. Anita is not some random person on the internet. She is influential. Developers hire as a consultant. She gets invited onto TV news channels for interviews.
Did you just not bother to read what I said about this, the last time you played the "Why do you even care?" card? And you still have not responded to my counter question. Why do YOU care so much, that you are spending so much time here defending Anita and denigrating her critics?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: She posted adverts for her series on 4chan of all places, that notorious lair of online Trolls.
I have to ask the obvious question: how do you know it was her, on a website not really known for being too much about verifying the identity of posters?
Well who the hell do you think it was?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: She knew that her intellectually dishonest series would provoke a storm of negative criticism, and that a certain proportion would be abusive. Yet instead of acknowledging criticism and engaging with her legitimate critics by responding to their arguments, she blocked, banned and disabled comments on all her videos, except for when she wanted to harvest comments from Trolls, and presented those Trolls as being representative of all her critics.
I do not think her series is intellectually dishonest.
I do. Lets move on, lest we go round another circle.
I do not think YouTube comments have ever been in any way a good platform to “engage with one's legitimate critics”,
Why not? Plenty of Youtubers do it just fine. Ignore and block users who are abusive. Reply and debate with people who give polite and civil criticism. Others pick a number of comments, and address them in turn in a subsequent new video. And others (Totalbiscuit) give a link to another forum (Reddit) where he does engage in debate.
And you're ignoring the fact that she DID in fact engage via the comments...with her TROLLS. She even re-enabled comments for a short while on one specific video, so she could harvest some cherry picked comments by Trolls to bolster her "I'm a victim!" narrative and present to the mainstream media, and at her TED-Talks presentations; whilst ignoring all comments by people who were NOT abusive.
Anita does not debate. She does not care about opposing view points.
She lectures. She cares only about her own viewpoints, and does not react to criticism, unless of course its abusive and she can exploit it.
If you disagree with her, you're misogynist.
and I am going to go as far as consider that someone suggesting it is might not be very familiar with the internet, or not be completely intellectually honest himself.
And I'd respond that you're totally ignorant of how this is not a problem for other Youtubers who do know how to deal with Trolls -ignore & block - or who direct comments and criticism to another, more suitable forum.
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2014/08/29 02:57:59
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Dishonest criticism made by people with a politically correct agenda out to generate media hype and make money for themselves in the professional victimhood industry by exploiting an issue is.
No, really, criticism of gamers seems the issue here.
“In fact, Trolling is a wider social issue that is by no means unique to Gamers. Why is it assumed that all her Trolls are actual Gamers?”
If your problem was about her trying to make money for herself, why speak about gamers and non-gamers? It would be totally irrelevant.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Again, you're being disingenuous. Anita is not some random person on the internet. She is influential. Developers hire as a consultant. She gets invited onto TV news channels for interviews.
Still not heard on which TV show.
And I am going to reiterate. Still random comments on gamers. Made by a person of very, very relative notoriety, which does not change anything.
For another example about the fact I do not care about those kind of comments, see here. I could not care about that either, and could not understand why people would care.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And you still have not responded to my counter question. Why do YOU care so much, that you are spending so much time here defending Anita and denigrating her critics?
Because Strife servers are down for maintenance :(.
William Douglas. Or Joffrey Adams. Or John Doe. Or whoever the hell, really.
Do you believe that impersonating someone on the internet is hard? Or that nobody would want to do it “for the lulz”? Are you naive or what?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Why not? Plenty of Youtubers do it just fine. Ignore and block users who are abusive. Reply and debate with people who give polite and civil criticism.
Not possible on a flux of comment of that scale. Like, at all. Really, totally, ridiculously unrealistic. Unless you have a whole crew paid to do the job as a full-time occupation.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And you're ignoring the fact that she DID in fact engage via the comments...with her TROLLS. She even re-enabled comments for a short while on one specific video, so she could harvest some cherry picked comments by Trolls to bolster her "I'm a victim!" narrative and present to the mainstream media, and at her TED-Talks presentations; whilst ignoring all comments by people who were NOT abusive.
Well, the trolls are very real, and the abuse is quite bad. You obviously would like them hid away with only the less abusive criticism displayed, but seriously, why should it not be talked about?
Rather, if you are an extremely abusive misogynist and therefore disagree with her in a very abusive manner, she is going to show the world about you. Cannot see any problem here.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And I'd respond that you're totally ignorant of how this is not a problem for other Youtubers who do know how to deal with Trolls -ignore & block - or who direct comments and criticism to another, more suitable forum.
No other YouTuber I know have nearly the same amount of hate directed toward them. Really. Not even close. You know, for fun, I went to check some video from that Totalbiscuit you spoke about.
9 947 likes, 112 unlikes.
Not even close man .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/08/29 03:39:26
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
I am sure you refer to this very ubiquitous type of sexual empowerment:
Spoiler:
That is what you were talking about, right? How men in video games needs to be empowered by sex rather than by silly stuff like actual fighting skills or magic powers or other non-sense.
More like not being ashamed for liking sex or feeling good about your body/flaunting it. Where as sex negative feminist make women feel like they are garbage for giving into desires of the flesh.
Its the reason we get silly memes like this:
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Slarg232 wrote: I agree with Jim Sterling about Anita; she's Gamings own Frankenstein Monster.
Gamers created her, and here she comes to
kill.
again!
Frankenstein monster was actually a pretty nice guy. It is the rest of society that treated him very, very poorly and unjustly. And Frankenstein himself was a real jerk in that whole story. Really.
I wouldn't call someone who says "You WILL create me a wife or I will kill everyone you love so you live just as lonely as I do" a nice guy.
I've never feared Death or Dying. I've only feared never Trying.
2014/08/29 04:18:27
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Dishonest criticism made by people with a politically correct agenda out to generate media hype and make money for themselves in the professional victimhood industry by exploiting an issue is.
No, really, criticism of gamers seems the issue here.
“In fact, Trolling is a wider social issue that is by no means unique to Gamers. Why is it assumed that all her Trolls are actual Gamers?”
If your problem was about her trying to make money for herself, why speak about gamers and non-gamers? It would be totally irrelevant.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Again, you're being disingenuous. Anita is not some random person on the internet. She is influential. Developers hire as a consultant. She gets invited onto TV news channels for interviews.
Still not heard on which TV show.
And I am going to reiterate. Still random comments on gamers. Made by a person of very, very relative notoriety, which does not change anything.
For another example about the fact I do not care about those kind of comments, see here. I could not care about that either, and could not understand why people would care.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And you still have not responded to my counter question. Why do YOU care so much, that you are spending so much time here defending Anita and denigrating her critics?
Because Strife servers are down for maintenance :(.
William Douglas. Or Joffrey Adams. Or John Doe. Or whoever the hell, really.
Do you believe that impersonating someone on the internet is hard? Or that nobody would want to do it “for the lulz”? Are you naive or what?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Why not? Plenty of Youtubers do it just fine. Ignore and block users who are abusive. Reply and debate with people who give polite and civil criticism.
Not possible on a flux of comment of that scale. Like, at all. Really, totally, ridiculously unrealistic. Unless you have a whole crew paid to do the job as a full-time occupation.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And you're ignoring the fact that she DID in fact engage via the comments...with her TROLLS. She even re-enabled comments for a short while on one specific video, so she could harvest some cherry picked comments by Trolls to bolster her "I'm a victim!" narrative and present to the mainstream media, and at her TED-Talks presentations; whilst ignoring all comments by people who were NOT abusive.
Well, the trolls are very real, and the abuse is quite bad. You obviously would like them hid away with only the less abusive criticism displayed, but seriously, why should it not be talked about?
Rather, if you are an extremely abusive misogynist and therefore disagree with her in a very abusive manner, she is going to show the world about you. Cannot see any problem here.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: And I'd respond that you're totally ignorant of how this is not a problem for other Youtubers who do know how to deal with Trolls -ignore & block - or who direct comments and criticism to another, more suitable forum.
No other YouTuber I know have nearly the same amount of hate directed toward them. Really. Not even close. You know, for fun, I went to check some video from that Totalbiscuit you spoke about.
9 947 likes, 112 unlikes.
Not even close man .
Okay, at this point, is it even debating? He's pointed out several cases and backed it up with evidence and you're callously waiving it away. Seriously. As much as we supposedly hate her fo rno reason, you;re defending her for no reason. Blind loyalty is just as bad as blind hate
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ZebioLizard2 wrote: Then you had people like Jack Thompson, who also got plenty of death threats and hate mail, and was publically criticized as well, but apparently he wasn't defended in great droves either.
Alfndrate wrote: Jack Thompson was the long time anti-video game lawyer that believed and fought for the idea that video games like Grand Theft Auto were murder simulators. He's fallen out of light after his "modest proposal" where he challenged the video game community to build him a game where a distraught parent went on a rampage killing people involved in the death of his son, up to and including a woman that ran a video game company whose name was eerily similar to the CEO of Take Two Interactive. If they did that, he'd donate something like 10 grand to a charity of the creator's choice.
Someone called him on his gak, made the game, and he then said he wouldn't pay because his proposal was sarcasm. So the guys at Penny Arcade donated 10k to a charity (possibly their own?) in honor of Jack Thompson.
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