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2014/09/02 17:00:04
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
H.B.M.C. wrote: This should clear things up for anyone still wondering what's going on. Sorry about the format - personally I hate those sites that make lists of 10 whatevers but put each item on a separate page. I'm sure they to it to inflate page views, but whatever, go through each of them, it's informative and cuts out the bull gak.
The best part is, of course, this little bit:
One person condemning gamers was the not-so-relevant Phil Fish, an indie developer who tweeted “Nuke all gamers”. Real mature.
See? I told ya Phil Fish was the least important part of anything he's involved in, even when he's the subject of the sentence in question!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 17:33:22
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 17:38:17
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
No worries. It was not even my post, it was H.B.M.C.'s .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 21:54:29
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
See, it makes me kind of curious that Josh Wedon and Tim Schafer shared it; While Schafer doesn't sexify his female characters, he usually only has one or two per game anyway, with minor roles.
Wedon is in a TOTALLY different media, which makes it weird to me; yes, he writes strong females, but I don't really see him having a stake in this fight....
I've no idea about Schafer but in Whedon's case I wouldn't be so sure he's entirely up to date/informed- there is a lot to be up on and he's a pretty busy guy. Whedon supports the kind of bare bones feminism do- that both genders are equal. He not too recently gave a speech about the word feminism and how it needs to morph into something more inclusive. Whedon's stake in this fight is simply that he cares and has a moral compass and is under the belief the people he's defending share that sense of morality.
See, it makes me kind of curious that Josh Wedon and Tim Schafer shared it; While Schafer doesn't sexify his female characters, he usually only has one or two per game anyway, with minor roles.
Wedon is in a TOTALLY different media, which makes it weird to me; yes, he writes strong females, but I don't really see him having a stake in this fight....
I've no idea about Schafer but in Whedon's case I wouldn't be so sure he's entirely up to date/informed- there is a lot to be up on and he's a pretty busy guy. Whedon supports the kind of bare bones feminism do- that both genders are equal. He not too recently gave a speech about the word feminism and how it needs to morph into something more inclusive. Whedon's stake in this fight is simply that he cares and has a moral compass and is under the belief the people he's defending share that sense of morality.
Yeah that seems true enough, the initial optics of the sarkeesian threat incident were pretty black and white and a lot of people/groups who were initially supportive haven't been heard from since. I'm sure if Whedon were to read up on recent developments and see adam baldwin's involvement in the fyc game jam he might start digging a bit. But ya, he's probably too busy workin on avengers 2.
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2014/09/02 22:47:21
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
See, it makes me kind of curious that Josh Wedon and Tim Schafer shared it; While Schafer doesn't sexify his female characters, he usually only has one or two per game anyway, with minor roles.
Wedon is in a TOTALLY different media, which makes it weird to me; yes, he writes strong females, but I don't really see him having a stake in this fight....
I've no idea about Schafer but in Whedon's case I wouldn't be so sure he's entirely up to date/informed- there is a lot to be up on and he's a pretty busy guy. Whedon supports the kind of bare bones feminism do- that both genders are equal. He not too recently gave a speech about the word feminism and how it needs to morph into something more inclusive. Whedon's stake in this fight is simply that he cares and has a moral compass and is under the belief the people he's defending share that sense of morality.
Fair enough, I suppose. Wedon's a cool guy.
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2014/09/03 01:26:52
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
The "conversation" that John Scalzi started on Twitter seems to be getting us absolutely nowhere.
The arguments I seem to see over and over is "You're just a mysognistic sexist piece of gak." And "femfreq and Zoe Quinn are ruining both gaming and feminism."
I'm just a little tired of the head in the sand approach people seem to be taking :-\
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2014/09/03 02:05:18
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Alfndrate wrote: The "conversation" that John Scalzi started on Twitter seems to be getting us absolutely nowhere.
The arguments I seem to see over and over is "You're just a mysognistic sexist piece of gak." And "femfreq and Zoe Quinn are ruining both gaming and feminism."
I'm just a little tired of the head in the sand approach people seem to be taking :-\
Thats common sadly in the game industry. They only listen to their own beliefs.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/09/03 03:08:29
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Apparently gamers are no longer just terrorists, but now we are being labeled Nazis, do SJWs realize that this sort of stuff and the blatant ignorance on their part just makes them look like they are insane?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Point of Information: Promotes racism huh? First four guys in that photo aren't white!
Funnily enough that is very popular photo being used by the journalists. All the celebrities thinking their opinion is better. I mean there is currently an Actor doing this....
Yeah that kind of thinking is why we are here.
I mean some people do raise some good points and then he goes on to say....
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From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/09/03 13:34:49
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Will Wheaton: "I don't even know what to say to these people".
That's probably because they're not being abusive, they're not being misogynist, so he can't label them as trolls and dismiss them out of hand. When faced with genuine criticism, he's flabbergasted.
2014/09/03 13:44:40
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
So, if I was to sum up the whole thing, some people want to speak about social issues in gaming, other want to speak about corruption in gaming, those two subjects are not linked in any way, but some people rejoice in mixing them, so actually nobody understand what anybody is saying anymore. Did I get that right? Because that is the vibe I got when reading tweets with the #gamergate hashtag .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/03 13:49:58
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
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