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 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

EDIT:
Moviebob
Jenn frank
Leigh Alexander

Legit question whats wrong with jim stirling and movie bob

 DarkNecro wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

EDIT:
Moviebob
Jenn frank
Leigh Alexander

Legit question whats wrong with jim stirling and movie bob

They are known for being extremely corrupt and for being extremely bad at reporting.

They don't research and only say their thoughts on the matter.





Everything he said in that video is criteria for me to dislike him.


About Movie Bob

A quick search reveals

I'll say this as some who can't stand him (hate is a strong word). But I also haven't watched or read anything by him in over a year so some of what I say may be redundant.
It comes down largely to him thinking he's a lot better than he is. I don't mean at his job, I mean as a human being. He's hugely arrogant and used the excuse of "I'm entitled to my opinion" in order to avoid accepting criticism. And he is, of course, more than welcome to his opinion, but that doesn't mean that others can't call him out.
Of course that's not to say that he is also not nearly as good at his job as he thinks. There have been times that I've wondered if he's trying to cash in on what makes ZP so popular but fails. He's just a stereotype. You know when people look at nerds and refer to them as "a bunch of pretentious man-children"? And you think "that's only a few"? Well he's one of the few. He'll watch a good film, then complain about it because it 'wasn't as good as the comic', or bitch that 'it's just dumb' and that 'real fans will hate it'. He picks the most trivial gak to complain about and goes at it. But unlike ZP, which comes off a brutally funny, he just exposes himself as a sad person who can't appreciate anything that he doesn't personally consider good. For instance, I don't like Jay Z's music but I know that he's very talented. I'm sure you could pick something similar. MB doesn't do that.
He's one of those people who's too proud of being a nerd. Being a nerd is nothing to be ashamed of, but MB comes across as some sort of supremacist on more than one occasion, often highlighted in his moronic "COMICS ARE WEEEEIRD" segments. He's a walking negative stereotype, and as a result very hard to sympathise with./quote]

Well I actually just went to find some and funnily enough, his latest episode:
The Amazing Spiderman 2.
Right off the bat. He didn't like the new The Amazing Spider Man films and so it was enough to make him "not even want to think of the word 'superhero'". This is a grown ass man. There's a line between hyperbole and just being a child. The Amazing Spider Man isn't a great SM film. But as a dumb action film, it's not bad. I liked it. But he insinuates that it's because I must not be as big of a fan as Bob.
He spends the entire film ignoring positives up until a quick 20 seconds at the end and focussing on the negatives. Half of which don't even make sense ("no development"... I mean you can easily argue that it wasn't well done but there was definitely development). But because he doesn't think it's good enough for him, this is a film that made him want to break anything Spider Man related. He doesn't review the film, he just whines about it. Something that I just can't stand seeing a supposedly grown human being do.
It's not even that he focusses on negatives (again, ZP is very popular). It's that he does it in such a childish way. ZP mercilessly rips into it, but it never comes across as whiny. Even if people agree with his review (I can see how the movie pissed of SM fans), he delivers it in such an obnoxious manner that makes it so hard to like him.
I hate the term, but he really is a cry baby.

What I don't like is how RPS went through and took a sort of "We're sorry about everything, but you're still wrong" type of stance; no where does it say anything about how a few of the Journalists have been saying that All Gamers should be Nuked or other such things.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 DarkNecro wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

EDIT:
Moviebob
Jenn frank
Leigh Alexander

Legit question whats wrong with jim stirling and movie bob

They are known for being extremely corrupt and for being extremely bad at reporting.

They don't research and only say their thoughts on the matter.

Shrug maybe just me but i dont go to them for reporting just to here them rage a bit same with yahtzee

edit having said that i do think they sometimes bring up valid points hidden between the rage

 Slarg232 wrote:
What I don't like is how RPS went through and took a sort of "We're sorry about everything, but you're still wrong" type of stance; no where does it say anything about how a few of the Journalists have been saying that All Gamers should be Nuked or other such things.

Thats another point.

I mean there is an entire tumblr dedicated to this.

I despise the character of Jim Sterling ("Thank God for me, I'm your savior, so you absolutely need to fething thank God for me." is more than a little pretentious") and think the character thinks too highly of himself; Yahtzee is tearing the game apart and including you in on it, Jim always makes it seem as though he's better.

What has the non-character Jim Sterling done prior that has him being labeled as corrupt?

 Slarg232 wrote:
I despise the character of Jim Sterling ("Thank God for me, I'm your savior, so you absolutely need to fething thank God for me." is more than a little pretentious") and think the character thinks too highly of himself; Yahtzee is tearing the game apart and including you in on it, Jim always makes it seem as though he's better.

What has the non-character Jim Sterling done prior that has him being labeled as corrupt?

Not really much. He's not really corrupt more of his ideologies of being better.

Yahtzee actually makes fun of himself. Quite often. He only makes fun of the fanboys and doesn't completely generalize all the time.

Sterling generalizes and groups people.

Which the journalists are currently completely guilty of.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
I despise the character of Jim Sterling ("Thank God for me, I'm your savior, so you absolutely need to fething thank God for me." is more than a little pretentious") and think the character thinks too highly of himself; Yahtzee is tearing the game apart and including you in on it, Jim always makes it seem as though he's better.

What has the non-character Jim Sterling done prior that has him being labeled as corrupt?

Not really much. He's not really corrupt more of his ideologies of being better.

Yahtzee actually makes fun of himself. Quite often. He only makes fun of the fanboys and doesn't completely generalize all the time.

Sterling generalizes and groups people.

Which the journalists are currently completely guilty of.

quote /Sterling generalizes and groups people.

So do alot even most of people
People like binary answers to issues Even tho it really dosnt help in complex discussions

Same, Jenni Goodchild and a few others are going on about how they make pennies. Well, the sympathy ploy after the name calling is a little weak (hence the oppression Olympics comment) and guess what? These journalists CHOSE to be in gaming journalism to write for gamers.

You choose the field you go into in life, if it doesn't pay you enough or its hard, then quit. Don't insult people then ask for sympathy.

Comes off has dishonest and intellectually disingenuous, but these are SJWs that label goes hand in hand.

 Asherian Command wrote:
They are known for being extremely corrupt and for being extremely bad at reporting.

They don't research and only say their thoughts on the matter.





Everything he said in that video is criteria for me to dislike him.

Is there anything bad in that video? Really?

 DarkNecro wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
I despise the character of Jim Sterling ("Thank God for me, I'm your savior, so you absolutely need to fething thank God for me." is more than a little pretentious") and think the character thinks too highly of himself; Yahtzee is tearing the game apart and including you in on it, Jim always makes it seem as though he's better.

What has the non-character Jim Sterling done prior that has him being labeled as corrupt?

Not really much. He's not really corrupt more of his ideologies of being better.

Yahtzee actually makes fun of himself. Quite often. He only makes fun of the fanboys and doesn't completely generalize all the time.

Sterling generalizes and groups people.

Which the journalists are currently completely guilty of.

quote /Sterling generalizes and groups people.

So do alot even most of people
People like binary answers to issues Even tho it really dosnt help in complex discussions

Wait, Sterling doesn't make fun of himself?

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Goliath wrote:


seriously? Someone describes her as an asexual game Dev as if they're the only relevant descriptors about her, and so she's an oppression Olympics competitor? You know why people say that gamers are intolerant? It's because someone says that a writer is asexual, and your response was 'wah wah wah poor crybaby' as if a) she made the comment and b) she was fething complaining about asexuality.

Oh here we go. Pick one thing and run with it. Typical.

Go through her twitter and blogs. Its (unknowingly) a contest for her to be the most oppressed.

And she isn't a Dev, she's a writer. Research.

Yeah. I know. I wrote that someone described her as an asexual game dev. You'll note that later on I refer to her as a writer. Nice try though.

And I really am not seeing this whole "contest for her to be the most oppressed" that you're talking about. Almost all of her articles are about games, and don't seem to reference herself so far as I can tell. Her tweets seem to just be responding to the replies regarding her rant.

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 Goliath wrote:


Yeah. I know. I wrote that someone described her as an asexual game dev. You'll note that later on I refer to her as a writer. Nice try though.

And I really am not seeing this whole "contest for her to be the most oppressed" that you're talking about. Almost all of her articles are about games, and don't seem to reference herself so far as I can tell. Her tweets seem to just be responding to the replies regarding her rant.

Sympathy posts. Journalists make pennies! Why would we write for an audience like you people, etc etc

Its to make it look they haven't done anything wrong.

Its like how Kotaku calls themselves journalists when its high profile but then switch and call themselves bloggers when they get in trouble.

Plus the whole throwing your gender in peoples faces is a lot like walking up to a stranger and saying "Hello, I have massive depression, how are you?" its just not something that people give a crap about until you push it on them, which then will elicit a response, which is what I believe is the purpose, to either get praise or to fight some non existent boogeyman you blame your problems on.


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The point of all of this is that there is some serious corruption going down and agendas are being pushed that can possibly lead to the stagnation, mass censorship and cleansing of games.

As an art form that cannot happen.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Goliath wrote:


Yeah. I know. I wrote that someone described her as an asexual game dev. You'll note that later on I refer to her as a writer. Nice try though.

And I really am not seeing this whole "contest for her to be the most oppressed" that you're talking about. Almost all of her articles are about games, and don't seem to reference herself so far as I can tell. Her tweets seem to just be responding to the replies regarding her rant.

Sympathy posts. Journalists make pennies! Why would we write for an audience like you people, etc etc

Its to make it look they haven't done anything wrong.

Its like how Kotaku calls themselves journalists when its high profile but then switch and call themselves bloggers when they get in trouble.

Plus the whole throwing your gender in peoples faces is a lot like walking up to a stranger and saying "Hello, I have massive depression, how are you?" its just not something that people give a crap about until you push it on them, which then will elicit a response, which is what I believe is the purpose, to either get praise or to fight some non existent boogeyman you blame your problems on.


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The point of all of this is that there is some serious corruption going down and agendas are being pushed that can possibly lead to the stagnation, mass censorship and cleansing of games.

As an art form that cannot happen.

Agreed. I mean I have connections too, but I don't balantaly use them to further my career and get pocket change.

 LordofHats wrote:
RPS is a pretty decent site with good writers (and to point, they have been vocal in the past about pointing fingers and saying 'that's not right' in the industry). If anything I'm surprised they're getting any harassment. Probably a decent sign that this things even more insane than I thought it would be.

Nathan Gray writes for the site, still dislike what he bumrushed Blizzard on with heroes of the storm, not to mention his whole involvement in the scandals...

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Sympathy posts. Journalists make pennies! Why would we write for an audience like you people, etc etc

Its to make it look they haven't done anything wrong.

I'd have thought when you're being criticised by the people who are making a concerted effort to minimise your income (by using adblock) then complaining is justified? I mean, as much as "the industry" is coming under fire, that industry is composed of people, and often those people aren't going to be hating gamers (as mentioned in the RPS article, often they're going to identify as gamers themselves) so the criticism levelled at every single member of the industry because they all hate gamers and want them to stop is probably going to drag on those that are just trying to earn an honest buck.

Its like how Kotaku calls themselves journalists when its high profile but then switch and call themselves bloggers when they get in trouble.

Agreed, that's a pretty shady tactic.

Plus the whole throwing your gender in peoples faces is a lot like walking up to a stranger and saying "Hello, I have massive depression, how are you?" its just not something that people give a crap about until you push it on them, which then will elicit a response, which is what I believe is the purpose, to either get praise or to fight some non existent boogeyman you blame your problems on.

See, it's well known that she's asexual mainly due to the bbc article on her. It's not referenced in her Twitter bio, it's mentioned as a category at the top of her blog , but other than that I haven't really been able to find many references to it (by her) other than her commenting fairly often that the use of 'virgin' as an insult is really bad, and devalues her and other asexuals.

I think that a large part of the problem with this sort of discourse is that those people who fall under uncommon identities, be they referring to gender or sexuality, and are well known to identify as such are often reduced to that identity, to the point that points that would otherwise be perfectly normal, or common sense, are instead attributed to them 'throwing [their] gender in peoples faces', which often won't be the case. In Jenni Goodchild's case, because of the aforementioned BBC article if you google her name, the top result is the article, anything that she has input into doesn't mention it, and the rest are referring to the original article (or the fact that she's apparently a meme, the page discussing which is absolutely horrid, and consists almost entirely of "she just needs a good fething" type comments), so I think it's more the case that she's well known to be asexual, not that she throws it in people's faces.

The point of all of this is that there is some serious corruption going down and agendas are being pushed that can possibly lead to the stagnation, mass censorship and cleansing of games.

As an art form that cannot happen.

I think that part of the problem is that, as I think was mentioned here, Indie games and Games journalism started off as a small group, where this sort of thing was vaguely okay, but that it's grown to the size where that sort of stuff needs to stop. It strikes me that it didn't start out as a concerted "lets be corrupt, muhahahah" type thing, but that as it's grown, practices that used to be okay now aren't.

I would disagree with your stagnation, censorship and cleansing point though, I get the impression that the intention behind the criticism is well meant, and that the people wish for games to improve, it's just that it's turned into the standard human response of people taking criticism and automatically becoming opposed to the critic, so now both sides have gone beyond meaningful discourse and into "they're the enemy, therefore they're wrong, this evidence that would normally be spurious is now enough to convince me of widespread corruption and these people should be jailed" territory.

So spent my last half hour of insomnia going thru movicbobs tweets and
i can probably see what was meant before tho to be far so much was retweets and conflicting thoughts i have no idea what he really thinks

 Goliath wrote:
other than her commenting fairly often that the use of 'virgin' as an insult is really bad, and devalues her and other asexuals.

It is not really nice to those that are not asexual but still virgin either.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12222-Why-I-Still-Call-Myself-a-Gamer-During-Gamergate

both are interesting reads and both seem to be with the gist yea no ones hands are clean but we will try to be better
most we can ask i suppose

 DarkNecro wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12222-Why-I-Still-Call-Myself-a-Gamer-During-Gamergate

both are interesting reads and both seem to be with the gist yea no ones hands are clean but we will try to be better
most we can ask i suppose

Ironically these are the same people that claim anyone that plays a game is a gamer, then during around and say gamers are dead. Its dirty tactics.

And appears SJWs supporting Zoe Quinn Doxxed a poor teenage girl for trying to edit her Wikipedia. https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/509102015566610434




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Article on Phil Fish and the investors involved in the fraud. http://gamesnosh.com/fez-investors-outed-judges-2011-igf-award/
Interestingly enough, Maya Kramer, journalist, and employee at silverstring media (where Anita and her boyfriend are advisors to).

Very interesting. Frauds linked to frauds linked to frauds.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 DarkNecro wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12223-The-Escapist-Publisher-Issues-Public-Statement-on-Gamergate
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12222-Why-I-Still-Call-Myself-a-Gamer-During-Gamergate

both are interesting reads and both seem to be with the gist yea no ones hands are clean but we will try to be better
most we can ask i suppose

Ironically these are the same people that claim anyone that plays a game is a gamer, then during around and say gamers are dead. Its dirty tactics.

And appears SJWs supporting Zoe Quinn Doxxed a poor teenage girl for trying to edit her Wikipedia. https://twitter.com/FartToContinue/status/509102015566610434


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Article on Phil Fish and the investors involved in the fraud. http://gamesnosh.com/fez-investors-outed-judges-2011-igf-award/
Interestingly enough, Maya Kramer, journalist, and employee at silverstring media (where Anita and her boyfriend are advisors to).

Very interesting. Frauds linked to frauds linked to frauds.

Yeah... Thats kind of ummm bad.

Poor them.

#Not your shield Video



And a vid on the escapist article




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And here is the TFYC indiegogo, they are so close to their goal, support women in gaming

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists--2

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/08/zoe-quinns-screenshots-of-4chans-dirty-tricks-were-just-the-appetizer-heres-the-first-course-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/

Zoe tweeted this out earlier, and I came across it via a retweet from someone I respect, so I'm looking at this with a wtf mindset.

First things first: There is a donate button near the top. If this person wasn't trying to cash in on something (whether GamerGate or just general hate for MRA, etc...) then why have the donate? I'm immediately suspicious of this person's motives.

Now that this is out of the way, no one should give a fat frog arse about the 4chan IRC logs because 4chan doesn't care. They sit in public spaces and discuss this gak all the time. This is standard procedure for them...

 SilverMK2 wrote:
I always play as a female character in any game that offers it, especially ones with a more rpg element. Femshep made ME much more enjoyable for me than maleshep (my wife played through a couple of times as maleshep so I know how it plays going through as a male PC).

Games with a female PC are always of interest to me... generally because they tend to be games with an actual story

Also, loved Beyond Good and Evil... looking forward to the second one

I never know why, But I do that aswell, al my darksoul PC are female, even though armor completely obscures it.
It is weird.

I played WoW almost entirely as a female through like 3 expansions, because at the end of the day if I was gonna be staring at a butt for hours on end, I wanted a female butt... But dat Draenaei hoof lol.

Most games I'm a dude in though. Though I did play through ME3 again as FemShep, honestly it doesn't really matter. Often times I try to create fantastical versions of myself.... I'm delusional like that D:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I played WoW almost entirely as a female through like 3 expansions, because at the end of the day if I was gonna be staring at a butt for hours on end, I wanted a female butt... But dat Draenaei hoof lol.

Most games I'm a dude in though. Though I did play through ME3 again as FemShep, honestly it doesn't really matter. Often times I try to create fantastical versions of myself.... I'm delusional like that D:

For me it was half/half on WoW

A nice new article in response to Rock, Paper, Shotgun's "we love everyone" article.

Langly makes a good response to the Wordell article here: (May contain cussing)
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/192694/business-points-fear-of-a-feminine-market/p39

That thread just makes me sad. There's one comment there about how some guy is saying the developer he's working for/with is trying to push for females to be 50% of an areas population as well as trying to include lots of minorities there whole saying people who support gamergate are against this. Meanwhile I'm like OK... But what about the game? Is it fun? No mention of that. Meanwhile another guy is saying those little details are making him happy he's getting the game. Like wth , what about gameplay? Shouldn't that be the MOST IMPORTANT THING